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The Minute After: Ohio State

by in The Minute After | February 10th, 2010

Men and boys tonight, kids.

I know the Hoosiers haven’t played the Badgers or Spartans yet this season, but there’s been no other team that’s outclassed them like the Buckeyes this year.

OSU is just a well-oiled, highly-efficient machine. Tonight’s win was its eighth-straight conference victory; in their previous seven wins, the Buckeyes were shooting an insane 58 percent on 2′s. Their effective field-goal percentage is 56.7 percent — good for third in the nation.

Watching them tonight, it’s easy to see why their offense is so efficient: they take a ton of high-percentage shots around the rim, and just about everybody outside of Jon Diebler, Dallas Lauderdale and Kyle Madsen can penetrate to the bucket for an easy two. They scored 40 of their 69 points in the paint tonight. The Buckeyes just have so much length and athleticism; it’s difficult to matchup against them because of it.

And that size and athleticism also helps them create easy buckets: steal and blocks — they had a healthy nine swats tonight — lead to fast breaks, which leads to easy 2′s. It certainly helped their cause that IU turned the ball over 14 times, which lead to 18 points.

What’s a little maddening on IU’s end is that they executed the gameplan in the first half: the Buckeyes don’t go that deep, so Tom Crean wanted to get into their bench. And when Evan Turner and P.J. Hill left with foul trouble, Ohio State went deeper into its bench than usual. Problem was, that bench outclassed the Hoosiers, too. By the end of the night, the Buckeyes posted 15 bench points, to the Hoosiers’ paltry three. And Madsen, off the bench, ended up with a career-high 11 points.

Yet, the Buckeyes weren’t really firing on all cylinders in that first half; they only shot 42.4 percent from the floor. Obviously, that’s still pretty good, but not quite up to their standards.

Credit IU for bouncing back after falling down 9-0, and getting it back to 18-17. But once there, the wheels came off for good, and they weren’t able to stick with the Buckeyes, who closed out the half on a 16-3 run the last 7:45 of the half, as IU didn’t score the last 6:09 of the frame. Against a team that’s as offensively-dominant as the Buckeyes, you just can’t go on such a scoring drought and expect to remain in the game.

And once the Buckeyes starting scoring better in the second half — 56.5 percent from the floor — the lights had officially gone out.

In these last two losses, IU has looked particularly lost in the half-court. Thier spacing is wrong at times; there’s a lot of hanging out around the perimeter until the last seconds of the shot clock start to tick. Watching how OSU worked in the half-court, it stuck out even more this evening.

With games looming against Wisconsin and Michigan State next, the Hoosiers better figure it out, or it’s only going to get worse.

  • joe d

    I agree why pritchard sees the floor is beyond me. I could shoot free throws better when I was 10. The future looks pretty bleak.

  • Vslice

    Have you seen Thad's in-coming class?? You think this team is scary, they will be better next year!!! I guess its something to wish for. Cant have it, so I guess we can wish — that is soo sad!!

  • ldiu

    I have been an IU fan since Archie Dees was the center and this is about as bad as it gets. The highlight of the evening for us happened around 3:15 p.m. when my wife and I started for the game and after traveling about 5 miles on US31 decided the roads were so bad that we best not risk the travel as it is about 100 miles down to Bloomington.

    The lowlights were:

    1. Watching Pritchard shoot freethrows (3 near airballs and a brick) plus fumble the ball out of bounds with no OSU player even close to him. Why he gets meaningful minutes in beyond me??
    2. Watching Rivers dribble around with no goal in mind continues to puzzle me. His 2 early fouls put him on the bench, which was a blessing.
    3. Watford, Bobby C. and Pritchard got killed inside as the Buckeyes simply toyed with us. I am curious as to why Elston didn't get to play more. Some have said his defense is lacking, but it surely cannot be as bad as what I saw tonight from the other “big” men.
    4. Watching CTC prowl the sidelines is really hard to watch. I'd like to see him get mad……..just once.
    5. Watching Dumas shoot 30 footers will drive me to an early grave.

    I realize we have to have 5 players on the floor and maybe this is the best we have. I don't see much hope for the future as the recruits for the next 2 years are average at best.

    After over 50 years of excellence (with a very few exceptions) this is hard to take.

  • hoosierthis

    I wouldnt mind seeing Crean get a little pissed off!

  • http://www.trinityoaklabs.com Hoosiergirl

    One of the first games this BT season where it was so bad I shut it off half way through the 2nd half. Terrible ballgame to watch, got tiring of watching guys dunk on us or doing an uncontested one at the other end…..

  • Vslice

    You said it, this is very hard to take. You are so right, we have average players coming in for the next two years. Im not sure what gives?? The loss after the Illinois game, I was reading TC twitter messages. One of his messages read (paraphrase),”We are traveling back on the bus and it is so silent in here. I feel so bad for these guys right now.” OK, I thought to myself, thats odd does it not bother him too? It seems like sometimes he is able to take himself out of the situation, like its not him, he doesnt have to get emotional. Now after seeing some of the most disappointing basketball I have seen in my entire 35 years of life, I am beginning to think that it really doesnt bother TC like it bothers the fans, players, and anyone else that gives a damn about IU's program. Ive been thinking this for awhile now and its really starting to concern me that after all these losses we havent seen him loose his cool one time? Im not sure if thats even normal.

  • Diesel

    Brutal, just brutal. This team struggled again to open the game and close the half. I'm not sure how many consecutive turnovers there were in that 16-3 run, but it seemed like every possession down the floor. Game over.

    Really disappointed in the defense by Verdell Jones tonight. I'm sure as JerryCT watches the tape again (not sure how you stomach it), he'll see Ohio State just took it right at Verdell, especially in that zone they continued to take it in on the right side where Verdell was. How many times did he get backdoor jammed? Poor help? Open lane to the basket? I was just waiting for Crean to pull him. I'm sure that's what he meant in the postgame comments: “It was pathetic defensively. It’s inexcusable, but I don’t have a lot of avenues to go right now in the sense of making different decisions.” He's our best offensive weapon, clearly he stays on the floor, but it felt like hiding your worst defensive baseball player in right field, it just doesn't work.

    I realized again tonight that this team still doesn't have a leader. Start at the top – it's not Tijan or Dumes. I think Rivers was the best choice at the beginning of the season but he clearly plays out of control at times and has not taken charge of this team. Not Roth or Pritchard. I thought we could say after the past 3 games that Verdell had taken hold of this team. I was saying how he had become a man and this was his team, but a leader doesn't give such a lackluster performance, especially on the defensive end. Everyone is going to have bad offensive nights, but leaders continue to put forth effort and play solid defense and Verdell did not do this tonight. Which leaves us with freshman, and no freshman is fit to be the team leader. Even when EJ was here, the leader was DJ White. We just don't have that right now.

    I think eventually this will be Jordan Hulls' team. Had one TO tonight compared to Jones' 5 TOs. He takes care of the ball and plays hard and sets his teammates up. Great game from Jordan tonight. Watford is a consistent near double double, good game from him as well. Thought Bawa played well, if only he could develop…..just seemed like his size countered their athleticism just a bit and he definitely changed some shots and helped us to a nice little run late in the game.

    Credit Coach Crean. Heard Jay Bilas say it earlier in the year that Crean was one of the best time out coaches, and we have seen that over the past 2 games that we are getting good looks and executing from dead balls and time outs.

    Finally, laughed my head off about 3 times watching OSU's Mark Titus on YouTube as “The Rainmaker” as I followed the ITH retweet today. Great interview by IDS folks http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=73598 and here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6FCitvRUM

    Didn't expect a win today, just better play.

  • illinoishoosier

    Did anyone else notice the handshake that Crean gave Matta? It was quick and he just blew past him. Matta raised his eyebrows in surprise. Something must have been done or said, because Crean did not want to shake his hand. He definitely looked pissed off at that moment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ljhammer15 Luke Jessie

    Getting mad is not going to change the fact that we are getting beat its just going to discourage these young players. It will also not change the fact that these players are young and are still learning. He is coaching for the future. I personally am very tired of all the criticism that Crean is getting this year, i mean come on people its his second year, give it time. Just because we are tired of the “young players” excuse does not mean that its going to go away. Patience is a virtue.

  • hoooooosier

    If CTC threw a fit every time IU did something stupid then he'd be dead by now. IU fans are gonna have to learn that patience means more than a year or two. The Big 10 is good, and trending upwards. IU isn't going to just be able to step in an dominate. Competing for NCAA tourney bids will be tough. MSU, Purdue, Ohio State and Wisconsin will all be good for the foreseeable future. Since the Big 10 typically only gets 6 or 6 NCAA tourney bids, you're looking at only 2 or 3 bids spread out between the likes of Michigan (extremely talented but haven't put it together yet), Minnesota (demonstrated capability to recruit at a high level), Illinois (always tough, always talented), Northwestern (fielding some of their best teams ever) and Indiana. As much as it sucks to say it, after 2002 IU began trending in the wrong direction, just as many other Big 10 teams started hitting their stride. It's going to be an uphill battle to say the least.

  • hansschnier

    RE: your comments on leadership.

    I think there's hope for the future. I don't think DJ White had the capacity to be a team leader as a freshman or even a sophomore. I think the emergence of leadership is an organic process. One will probably emerge. Like you, I think Hulls is a good candidate. He certainly has a winning pedigree. Until that happens though, we're in for some more rough performances.

  • maimlarry

    As much as losses like this are just plain bad, I've learned that, as cliche as it sounds, you have to look for the bright spots. First, although the talent level seems to be lower, I think at times we see what we will have in a year or two. The reason we lose games is because the talent doesn't all show at once. In the NW game, Verdell scored 28 points but no one else showed up. Tonight it's Hulls who shows up. They are young and most importantly, inconsistent. They will become a better team when they individually learn to give the consistent good performance that we have seen sporadically throughout the year. Also, our hands down best player has never played a Big Ten game.

  • kentuckyhoosier

    dont really know what to say anymore , crean just claps his hands and coddles these boys , its time he puts a boot in thier #$$ .we need more than the 2 average recruits next year .Hey TOM ……” IT ' S INDIANA !!!!!!!!!! ” !

  • valpohistory

    I'm with you. Crean isn't shooting, rebounding, playing defense. He is on the sidelines. What is yelling and screaming going to do? It's not going to make Verdell play better defense and try to be aware on back cuts. It's not going to make Pritchard finish at the rim. It's not going to make Bawa magically learn how to not look lost at times. All he can do is clap his hands and try to coach them up and give them adjustments. He is coaching his tail off, he's constantly watching the game and giving the kids things they can do to make it closer. Those who want him to “send a message” and bench some kids, who are they gonna bench? Rivers when he makes a turnover? You can't. Hulls isn't strong enough with the ball to bring it up the floor on an excellent on the ball defender. Dumes when he takes a 40 footer? So he can play a walk-on for all of the bench guard minutes? Bench Verdell when he gets beat back door or on a drive, EVERY TIME? No, he scores all our frickin points. It's easy to criticize and give suggestions but when you think deeper into it, it's not as simple as some would make it out to be.

  • IUMIKE1

    When fans say that the fact that we are playing without Creek (and Roth) should not make this much of a difference well maybe they should ask OSU if that is true. If memory serves me right they were getting their a$$es kicked by just about everybody they played while Turner was out and then you see how they have played since he has come back. Think he would not have made at least a 3 point difference at Bruce Weber's place or a 4 point difference at home against PeeU ? Personally, I sure do. I am in no way saying that Creek is already the caliber of player that Turner is but rather drawing a comparison of how something like that can affect a team even a team with several other talented nonfreshman players. Couple that with the fact that the rest of this team is just not able or ready to be able to absorb something of that nature and IMO the effect of something like that happening to this team is more of a factor than OSU losing Turner for awhile was for them.

    People, please do not refer to this as year number two of the rebuilding process. Yes numbers wise it is but l cannot really see how it can be counted as a rebuilding year when it can be considered a success that we were even able to field a team.

    Some fans say that Crean should be in the face of players at times or should be throwing them to the end of the bench and forgetting about them to teach them a lesson. First off if a young player is only thinking about getting his ass ripped or being sent to the end of the bench if he makes a mistake or two, as almost all freshman and sophmores do, then they will never reach their potential. Think we have a hard time getting a highly sought after recruit to sign on now ? If that is the kind of coaching that they witness when a mistake or two is made then you can kiss any chance of one of them committing goodbye and don't give me that “well if they can't take that then they are not the kind of player we want at IU” because that is just plain STUPID…. IMHO. Besides I feel pretty sure that Crean is doing plenty of ass chewing only it is in practice and not while it is being televised. Getting a point across in a for sure way does not mean the only way to do it is to stand there and scream one inch from their face, sometimes less is more. Also as we have more and more of a bench to turn to and our freshman and sophmores become upperclassman I think you will see Crean be, shall I say, a little bit more suggestive.

    If you think that I am a just a Crean worshipper or a Crean apologist then you are wrong, Do I think he is the right man for the job ? Yes. Do I think he has made mistakes ? Yes. If after 2 or 3 more years things have not changed should he be facing some legitimate questioning ? Yes. Do I think things will get better ? Yes. Do I think people should be able to say how they see things and question some things ? Absolutely as long as they are within reason and make sense and not to just me. Do I know more about bball and everything going on behind the scenes ? No and that one is the biggest reason why I am doing my best to stay patient and positive.

  • BigRed3588

    I agree, I think this will be Hulls' team. To be honest, i'd like to see Hulls take over Rivers' minutes. What good is a PG that throws the ball away constantly, rarely finishes drives, can't hit freethrows, and can't shoot…at all. I understand he's our best defender, but at this point I don't feel like he creates enough stops on D to justify his horrible play on offense. Give the minutes to Hulls. He's shown he can drive and hit the runner in the lane, and that he has great court vision; just watch him on a fast break. I think we'll begin to see a lot more consistency from him as his confidence level continues to go up.

  • BigRed3588

    I'm not sure if I'd say our incoming recruits the next two years are average at best. From what i've read, Sheehey is averaging more points and more rebounds than Fab Melo, his five-star recruit teammate. Oladipo is a solid role player for a loaded Dematha team. Carlino is averaging around 15 for a B. South team that starts 4 D-1 players and is ranked nationally. And, finally, Etherington seems to be putting up 30 every other game. We shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that just because they're not five-star recruits that they can't play ball. Besides, i'll take a well constructed team of role players over a team of superstars any day because theres still only one ball on the court.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com/ Matt_J

    Northwestern is competing to get into the tournament for the first time EVER. While they're good right now, they're not at the top of the league and most likely won't stay there. Minnesota can recruit at a high level, but they've got a coach who has been seen as a chronic underachiever, and West Virginia fans weren't too terribly sad to see Bielein go.

    I would worry more about seeing Indiana come together than I would about these other programs. On name alone, Indiana will get the benefit of the doubt more often than not, and especially over the likes of Northwestern and probably Minnesota (how many times have talented Minnesota teams been left on the outside looking in).

    Of course, if the tournament does expand by 32, then this point is moot: an above .500 Indiana squad with decent wins and “good losses” will make it in every year.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com/ Matt_J

    …or run out onto the floor slapping his forehead. Or any of the other myriad of issues that’s plagued Indiana’s coaches in the recent past.

    Making an ass of yourself on the sidelines isn’t going to win games; it’s going to paint the program in a negative light and make any high level recruits looking at the Hoosiers turn away for somewhere else.

    Maybe Crean should run around with a Marquette sticker on his chest and slather on the “Aw Shucks,” hokum. That seems to have worked for Chapel Hill.

  • JerryCT

    Thanks Diesel for holding down the fort on defense. I am in Brazil ( Carnival you know ) and cannot see the games . I must rely on you to watch the defense and comment for me

  • BFowler

    OSU reminds me of the 1989 Flyin' Illini. Not particularly big (6'5″ Nick Anderson Played power forward), but man, were they athletic. Similarly, a star player got hurt (Kendall Gill) and they put it together at the end of the season and made it to the Final Four. Just reminds me of them, that's all. I was glad to see Buford miss TWO dunks. That was at least entertaining.

    I can not understand why the will to compete is not there every game. There has to be something inside these athletes that says, “I can go toe-to-toe with anyone. I don't care how many stars they have by their names, I can campete and win.” And maybe it is there and they just get out muscled and out manned. I can not figure out why the pride of competing on the defensive end just goes away. I understand that everyone has bad offensive days, but the defensive end should be your source of pride. Maybe I'm all wet on this one, maybe it's there, maybe I'm nuts……..maybe.

    I don't have any problem with what Coach Crean is doing. I do not think you can treat this team like you would with a team loaded with experienced veterans. He can not turn to the bech and get a solid contributor that has been through the B10 wars for two or three years. Our leading scorer is out for the season, last season's leading scorer has been an inconsistent head case, and our B10 leading scorer was uninspired last night – not a very good combination if you are trying to win a B10 game. Coach Crean is trying to build up a team of frustrated kids who need confidence and enthusiasm to feel like they can compete, benching them or putting them in the “dog-house” is not going to help anyone at this point. They have to believe. I still do…..

  • marcusgresham

    The thing with his Twitter account is that it's just another recruiting tool. I'm sure that in his mind he probably thinks if he tears into someone and expresses anger/frustration potential recruits could be driven away.

  • Kelin Blab

    This was a tough loss and I fully blame Tom Crean for not getting mad at these guys. Just one time I want to see Crean bring a staple gun to the bench and just start unloading on guys when they have these mental lapses. I know this may sound extreme but this is this teams biggest problem, they need an ANGRY YELLING Tom Crean. The best thing you can do with a young team is yell at them all the time. You have to kill their confidence then build it back up. I think they have too much confidence coming off a 6-25 season.

    If Crean had a staple gun, one of those high powered industrial ones you get at Home Depot, it would improve TP's free throw shooting, Evan Turner would have been held scoreless, and Mo Creek would have his ass on the court. What pisses me off further, I heard Crean is planning a Valentines Day party for these guys on Sunday and he turned down a trip to the Indiana State Prison so these kids could watch an execution. How will they ever get better…..

    If some of you don't think Crean yells and gets angry at these guys at all you are missing something. You may not see it cause it is done in practice, but I am for CERTAIN it happens. Yelling, Anger, Chewing out is not this teams or coaches problem. OSU is a GOOD team, IU is not. As a fan, I want to see improvements and what I saw vs PU, ILL, and some other games…..I could care less if I ever see Crean throwing a chair…..

  • Kelin Blab

    Saw that too, not sure what is there…..

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com/ Matt_J

    Not only that, but if he tears into a player in such a public forum as Twitter, then he's going to discourage the player, divide the team, and make them even more dysfunctional. And with all the football coaches that have been taken down this year for being verbally abusive, it's better that he doesn't slam a kid up against the lockers, call him a piece of crap, and then bench him just because the kid made a turnover. And what good is getting technicals going to do for a team that has such a small margin of error, anyway?

    Patrol the sidelines, be as reinforcing as possible, and try to get the team to gel. The better the product looks on the court, the more high-profile kids are going to look at Indiana again as a top tier program. Getting a couple of T's every game and verbally berating his players at every step isn't going to do that.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com/ Matt_J

    The kid's name is “Fab Melo”? Man, that's a God Shammgod Award for the All-Name team right there.

  • Diesel

    Just watched Mark Titus Rainmaker again, funny has heck.

  • Diesel

    Not sure either. I was thinking to myself that Evan Turner and the boys were in there a little long, 20 point game with a couple minutes to go, and never got pulled out unitl Crean sent the practice squad in (also noticed Elston with that crew – ouch), but don't really think Crean would react that way to leaving some players in.

  • Kelin Blab

    Diesel….I really like Elston, just not sure what has happened to him. I know his D isn't the greatest, but I am more shocked by his offense or lack there of. He seems to have no post game, has one spin move that he travels on and a lot of fadaway jumpers. This is not the Elston that battled DeShaun Thomas in h.s. but after all it is High School….

  • Diesel

    And what's funny, from a defensive end you really only get that “toe-to-toe” attitude from Daniel Moore. I had no problem with him getting the minutes he got last night. Chuckled just watching him guard Evan Turner…the most athletic player in the Big Ten guarded by one of the least physically talented…but I loved the effort.

  • Diesel

    I really like Elston too. I just find it unreal that a guy who started a few games is in with the practice squad at the end of the game. I'm not sure what it is…it's not like he is playing worse than anyone else. There has to be something there…seems like the leash is a bit shorter for Elston.

    He's going to be a great player. I loved someone's reference earlier in the year to him as a mix between Joe Krabbenhoft and Eminem. I really believe Elston is truly a 3 playing in the 4-5 position due to necessity, he is thinking more there than just playing the game, and his confidence is way down, and the leash is short, and something else is going on that we're not seeing.

    Someone do a rebound/min check, I bet he leads our team.

  • Diesel

    Leary (any news on him?) would always say in the post game that Crean definitely was ripping those guys in the locker room and in practice. Have to agree with your take here.

  • MillaRed

    There will come a time when CTC is on the sidelines clapping his hands while we are getting a firm a$$-whipping and it won't make sense any more. But people that time is not now. I'm not even sure it's next year. We talk about it being “his class” etc. But I can't fully throw the guy to the curb until I see his “class” become “upperclassmen” and play like they did last night.

    Like it or not, the guy has a free pass until things calm down. Do I agree with everything he does in-game? Not really. But to sit on here and talk about him failing or whatever is really wasted space. He'll be right there on the sideelines in 2012. You can write a flippin book if that turns you on but there he will be.

    More than anything, when it comes to CTC, we need HOPE. IU fans are faithful. I will be in the Kohl Center on Saturday and fully expect 2 hours of sheer ugliness. But there I will be in IU gear. I will be in a bar later in the day (Madison has 11,000 bars) and people will look at me and their first instinct will be, “IU really sucks right now.” But the more experienced fans are also thinking, “It's only a matter of time before IU makes us miserable again.” Because it's IU.

    I got a shot in the arm last night when I was waiting to get a haircut. ESPN was chatting about the Syracuse-UCONN match-up, “The amazing thing about Syracuse is they do not have one top 50 recruit on their roster. They have just come together.” They are 24-1……..

    It can be done. So let's not judge the incoming kids until we see how they fit in.

  • HoosierSmitty

    At 9-0, I thought we were toast and it was going to be a long night. I should have trusted my gut…

    Then, I jumped off the couch at 18-17, yelled and pumped my fist for joy (scaring the bejesus out of our puppy). Immediately I knew it was a mistake for a couple of reasons. One – my little dog freaked out. Two – I knew it would be short-lived.

    There was a lot of bad, but I'm going to focus on TWO GOOD THINGS last night on the offensive end.

    1. Christian Watford has legitimate range – His post up game is terrible and he gets blocked A LOT, but he has a nice 10-15 foot turn around pull up that you just can't teach. Plus he can definitely knock down 3 pointers. Now if he can bulk up and be a decent player in the post, he'll be super versatile down the road.

    2. Jordan Hulls – Hulls knows what he's doing for a freshman. The shot fake and drive and pop was awesome. I was more pleased with that than any 3 pointer he hit. He's showing his mid range game is pretty solid too. (I'll forget about the Lauderdale rejection…)

    I'm going to get giddy over those two players and their brief moments and say screw the game score. If every one else wants to worry about what Crean is and isn't doing, then fine. We can't change those things no matter how much we huff and puff.

    Pieces of a puzzle boys…. Hulls, Watford, VJ III, Creek….and ONE MORE capable big man and we've got a pretty solid starting lineup next year. Don't count Bawa, Pritch, or Capo out yet. Someone is going to step up and they have this entire year to practice.

  • HoosierSmitty

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. What a name…

    Wasn't there a Scientific Mapp several years ago and he had a brother named Majestic?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1155210324 facebook-1155210324

    After this game, I have officially given up on the Hoosiers this season. I delayed taking a test just so I could rush to assembly hall to see our team not even show up to play. I realize we're clearly an inferior team, but still, we could have at least shown up. The thing that's most upsetting is that there won't be a talent influx where we need it most (big men), and we're going to go at least another year without even coming close to making to tournament. Go IU basketball!!………………….

  • James

    I love how everyone is crying for more [undeveloped] talent. I just hope that people to understand that IU is not a 1 and done school right now, or maybe ever again. We are building. We have a lot of [undeveloped] talent right now. People are complaining about Freshman making Freshman mistakes…but the answer is more Freshman?? Come on now! We have that same special class that everyone loved at the beginning of the year its just that people had to readjust their unrealistic expectations of them. They are young. They are inexperienced. But these kids are good players and pretty great kids. Give em time

    -im not even getting into the complaints about crean because that argument doesnt even merit discussion. could you imagine what this season would look like had we signed Bennett (or anyone else really)? I love ctc. perfect fit

  • valpohistory

    Basing your view of the future on Tom Pritchard would make any future look bleak. Look at the development of VJ3 if you want to take a look at the future of the program

  • valpohistory

    I hope you're right about Hulls but you can't deny that fact that he gets rattled when he plays point against bigger better on the ball defenders. They get completely up in his grill and he really does not stand much of a chance. As he matures, he will learn that pass fakes and things like that will make it easier for him to handle the ball, but for now, the ball is safest in JR's hands.

  • valpohistory

    Then don't come to games and support the team? You have to be smart enough to realize that we have talent, but it's completely undeveloped. It takes time. If you expected them to go to the NCAA tourney this year, you are delusional. All people around the program are looking for improvement, not wins and losses. The wins will come, be patient

  • valpohistory

    100% agree. If we're patient, the wins will come. It's always great to see wins on the board, but think of all of the games where we were competitive and had no reason why we should have been in that game, ala Kentucky, Purdue, Maryland, the actual win against Pitt. We're young and talented so our team is going to have mental lapses. It's peaks and valleys, so when the peaks come, ride them. Be happy for the team, but when the valleys come, don't call for Creans head because it makes you look idiotic! Not you of course but as a whole

  • aceman07

    Absolutely hilarious!!! Great analogy!

  • HoosierSmitty

    Agree 100%. We always have one (maybe two guys) perform well, but rarely do we get three or four or 5 guys putting together a solid performance (offensively or defensively) in the same game.

  • Hoosier76

    pretty sure his full name is Fabricio Melo

  • Newms the Sage

    Excuses, rationalize, chant mantras – Crean needs to deliver a team each night that plays hard and is accountable. There are numerous hoops teams around the USA that have much less talent and play solid hoops!

    Crean has a fat 10 year contract and is living w/o stress or accountability anymore. Great leaders rise to the occation and coach a team to play better than it is, to believe in itself, and to have their ass benched if they suck – he is NOT doing any of these things.

    Everyone on the Hoosiers is accountable, but the guy at the top is THE man to be accountable. He is responsible for making them gel in practice and ensuring they are ready to play hard-nosed basketball exuding Hoosier Pride every second of every game!!!!!!!

    Learn it, Love it , Live it!

  • IUDan

    Very disappointed with the lack of effort, intelligence, and toughness last night. That being said – here's some perspective: I am first and foremost an IU grad and fan – a die-hard. I also live in Columbus, OH and have strong ties to OSU. I'm a season ticket holder for OSU games, and cheer for them outside of 2 (sometimes 3) games a year.

    Think back to OSU about 3 years ago. Right off a National Runner-Up finish, Matta signed a recruiting class very similar to IUs freshman. However, that team had three returners that played significant minutes for the FF team (Lighty, Butler, Hunter). Despite good senior leadership and experience, that team went through ups and downs, and made (and won) the NIT. They were finally able to put it together in the NIT, led by their seniors (Butler and Hunter). Without those two, they never make the NIT.

    But ALOT of people questioned that team. They lost a PRE-SEASON GAME to a D2 school!! Three years later, they are arguably among the best teams in a pretty good conference. How does that happen? Experience. Growth. TIME.

    WHAT WE SEE NOW IS NOT WHAT WE WILL HAVE EVEN NEXT YEAR. Players get better – they improve with hard work over the summer, and by taking lumps during the season.

    I'm not saying don't be angry, irritated by what we saw last night – I certainly am. But anyone ready to scrap the coach or the players is an idiot. I heard on local sports radio that Crean didn't come out of the locker room for an hour after the game last night – I hope he was chewing some butts off . . . they deserve it.

    Hang in there . . . it'll come.

    Go Hoosiers.

  • marcusgresham

    That's the point I was trying to make, you just did a better job of it than I did! It's kind of a sad analogy, but in a sense he's like a special ed teacher at this point—you can't expect quantum physics when they haven't mastered addition & subtraction!

  • Kelin Blab

    What other schools with less talent are doing better than IU, with the same schedule or close, and the same amount of Frosh contribution.

  • BaseballBuc

    Anyone ever heard of John Wooden? Just wanted to remind you what attitude and personality he used to win 10 titles.

  • IUDan

    Answer: there aren't any. I bet someone out there is complaining about their team and saying “Look – Indiana is playing almost all freshman and sophomores, but they've beaten Michigan, Minnesota and Pitt . . .”

    Sure, there are teams with less talent – but they have EXPERIENCE. People can say it's an excuse all they want, but it's real. To say Tom Crean isn't accountable is completely ridiculous.

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