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The Minute After: Purdue

by Ryan Corazza in The Minute After | February 4th, 2010

This team has a way of keeping things interesting.

Twice in the second half, I thought the Hoosier were toast. Down five and looking out of sync with 8:42, all it took was Devan Dumes and Jordan Hulls threes with a Verdell Jones jumper in between, and all of a sudden the Hoosiers were up three.

Then, down six with just over a minute to play — when things really seemed to be over — there was Mr. Clutch VJ3 popping in a three. Add in a lockdown man-to-man defensive set by the Hoosiers, and Jordan Hulls chasing down the rebound in the corner after a Purdue miss, and suddenly the Hoosiers held their fate in their hands.

Oh, and lest you thought it was over after Chris Kramer came up with that huge block on on VJ3 — and it was a pretty clean block, in my eyes — and Robbie Hummel, one of the best free throw shooters in the land nailed two shots to put Purdue up five, there was VJ3 with another three. And there was Hummel at the line again — the best free-throw shooter in the Big Ten, mind you — missing the front end of his two free throws, setting up one last chance for VJ3 to play the hero’s role.

He got a good look. But it just missed to the left side of the rim. Another heartbreaker. Another one where these Hoosiers came within a fraction of a terrific win.

So it goes this season.

What really killed the Hoosiers was free throws. No, not in the first half, as they were nearly flawless, hitting 11-of-13. But it was when they mattered the most that the Hoosiers came up short. Three times in the last five minutes, the Hoosiers missed the front end of a one-and-one opportunity. You just can’t let that happen for a team that doesn’t have a large margin of error.

But other than that, these Hoosiers played quite well against the No. 8 team in the country. A team that’s now in their third year with that vaunted class of talent. Coming out and putting up 47 points in the first half — the most points they scored in a half all season — was something to behold. And a big part of it was due to Tom Pritchard’s effort. Where has this guy been all season? It wasn’t just on those designed slip screens that he scored; Pritchard also made some moves in the paint with authority. He had 13 points at half. (His grandma passed away last evening; he seemed inspired to play well for her tonight.) IU also shot a blistering 51.6 percent from the floor in the first half to aid in that lead.

And most importantly, they took care of the ball. Only five turnovers in the first half, to Purdue’s six. The Boilermakers are seventh in the country in offensive turnover percentage; they are 19th-best in the country in defensive turnover percentage. So that’s a terrific effort by Indiana in that regard, and it’s a trend that followed in the second half: The Hoosiers had 10 turnovers on the night, while Purdue had nine.

The Hoosiers benefited from active hands in the passing lanes and some opportunistic swipes at the ball, they had seven steals on the night. It allowed them to score 19 points off of turnovers, to best Purdue’s 11.

Credit Purdue for coming out in the second half, and scoring on their first three possessions. This is what veteran teams do. Credit Purdue for locking down more on defense in the second half after being a bit lapse in the first half, and imposing their will on the Hoosiers with some blocks in the lane. Credit Hummel for not wilting under the pressure and hitting three of those four free throws late. Credit Purdue for holding on to this victory in a place they hadn’t won in ten years, a place that was as loud at its been all season.

Some day, I will tip my cap in a similar fashion to these young Hoosiers. They will hold off the scrappy, never-say-die, young up-and-comers in the Big Ten at some point in the years to come.

But for this night, and in this season, they’re still on the wrong side of experience.

  • IUMIKE1
    I'm wondering if Watford has hit the "wall" he seems to be really struggling right now and cannot seem to get untracked. Think he would probably benefit as much or more than anybody else with another quality player at the 4 and/or the 5. Something tells me that he would feel the most at ease playing the 3 and is probably more suited to that position. How hard he works this off season will go a long way in telling us what we can expect from him in future years as he really needs to bulk up even if he plays the 3. For us to have success next year he has to be stronger around the basket and on the boards espicially when he gets an offensive rebound and goes back up with it. Does anybody else think he has hit the freshman wall or does everyone think he is just in a slump. Heres to hoping it is just a slump and if it isn't heres to hoping he finds a way to get over that wall before the season ends or before too many more games go by.
  • Newms the Sage
    Watford is solid, but slow. yes he is slow and has missed 'how many' offensive rebound put-backs?! THE best recruit in the Hoosier arena would be Josh Selby - he is stellar. for all those out there thinking Teague - get real he is way over-rated!

    I guess I am spoiled and have high expectations for players. Purdue sux! They should be embarassed for their mediocre play against IU - NO WAY will they make the Final 4 (period).

    I have been following minor league hockey, it is much more enjoyable than college hoops this year.
  • Diesel
    Call it "the wall", call it something, there is something there. On one hand, he still went for 9 and 8 as a freshman against a future NBA player in JaJuan, but on the other hand there does appear to be something missing. He's got that personality that almost comes across as not trying, hopefully it's more of something we can nickname "smooth".

    He had a real bad series there for 2 min in the 2nd half before Crean finally pulled him. He tweaked his ankle, then dribbled off his leg in the corner, then lost Hummel in the corner on the zone, and then there was something else. And then the weak put back off the missed one and one at point blank, falling away. Dang.

    Something needs to happen to his shot too, and I don't mean changing the mechanics. I think it is just a slow and predictable release. This guy gets his shot blocked more than anyone I've ever seen. Anyone ever see a shot fake? Not that I can recall. How about some post moves? Up and under? Baby hook? Drop step?

    Bottom line - he's got the tools to become a dominent force in the Big Ten and play at the next level. By next year, I'd like to see Watford put on 20 pounds, get quicker, and take on somewhat of a warrior mentatlity
  • Kelin Blab
    FYI....kids don't forget at about 5ish or 5:30 Sheehey is on ESPNU today.....looking forward to seeing this kid finally.....
  • Hoosiers02
    Sheehey looked good. He can score as well as drive to the basket.

    Did anyone get a chance to see Austin Rivers play on ESPN2 last night? Wow, that kid is a scorer. He dropped 41. Any prayer he ends up a Hoosier? They made comments that he is verbally commited to Flordia, but he has taken recent visits to Duke. So I'm not sure he 100% commited to the gators.
  • Kelin Blab
    I was surprised to hear that Duke comment myself. I would think if he decommitted he may give IU a look. OH MY GOD I WISH HE WOULD....
  • Sorry to burst your bubble, but I keep hearing he's a lock for Duke.
  • Kelin Blab
    One more reason to hate Duke.
  • JerryCT
    Thanks for the update. I really appreciate it.

    After watchign Knight and Rivers last night I can say I would NOT want to play with either of them............they hog the ball and the attention ..........this destroys the work output from other players as they get disappointed in not being intensely invloved. Both kids have skills but one skill neither have is making other players better...............that is what Irving is very good at.
  • JerryCT
    Kelin & others ..........I am sure I am not alone in not getting ESPNU. Can you give us a scouting report on Sheehey after the game ??????????....please..........remember.........a report on the defense too
  • Kelin Blab
    JerryCT-

    Here is my Sheehey review...

    Offensively:
    + Has a very balanced game. Good shooter, likes to drive to the basket and spent a lot of time at the F/T line.
    + Has a decent handle, should improve on that, and goes to the glass.
    + What I like the most, not afraid of contact and is a good good athlete. When he steps on campus he will be one of IU's top 3 athletes.

    Defensively
    + His team played half the game in zone however Sheehey is an "all arms" active guy. His on ball pressure allowed him a few times to poke away the ball from the offensive guy.
    + PLays good position basketball and seemed to be in good position to help
    + Has to work on some foot speed

    Sheehey helps IU possibly next year by:
    + A strong rebounding wing
    + can guard the 2 or 3
    + Can stretch the defense with his shooting but also a strong driver.
    + More polished offensive game than VO
  • jaywiz
    ow. that one stings very badly. I was watching from a bar in Athens, Ga. What a game. It is days like this and the sting that we feel on days like this where we are going to look back and be so proud of how our team got to where they are. No shortcuts can be taken if IU is going to be a RESPECTABLE *coughkentuckycough* national contender.

    Painful outcome, but I can feel it. can't you? This team gets it. Crean has got it. Here it comes.
  • Wish
    I was pretty livid after the Iowa debacle so I forced myself to sit down and really think about this team that IU puts on the floor. Not because I'm ready to stop rooting for IU but because I needed a moment to put everything in perspective. Here are the main points I came up with:

    1. Verdell Jones III is a legit scorer in the Big Ten. The boy is becoming a man.
    2. Christian Watford is not a normal freshman in his performance or demeanor. The kid might come back next year and start dropping 20/10’s on the board without saying a word.
    3. The team/program cares and that’s important to me. They don’t 'fake care' and pout, scream or find excuses….they play hard, leave it on the floor and don’t take accountability afterwards. Talk is cheap so they are showing me their passion in how they play the game. I can respect that.
    4. The offensive scheme is starting to come around now that the team has played together for almost a full season.
    5. IU’s best offensive player, Maurice Creek, hasn’t played in one Big Ten game this year and they are still very competitive.

    These are the things I’m not happy about:

    1. They are still short at least two legit D1 players on their roster and one of those players needs to be a big man.
    2. Jeremiah Rivers and his inconsistency. He tries to do too much. He’s like an almost good looking girl who tries too hard to get to that next level and ends up lonely. Just relax, dude.
    3. Rebounding has been very inconsistent and I thought that was going to be one of Crean’s strong points when he came in.
  • kesims
    The ugly:: The fans right in the middle of the student section with the "At least Samson won" sign that kept getting shown on tv coming back from timeouts. These kids know nothing about Indiana basketball and the way we want to get things done at Indiana. They should never be allowed to sit in the student section if they are not going to support everything about our team. I just wanted to see another fan take the sign right out of their hands and rip it in half. Otherwise, an amazing crowd.

    Heres to continuous improvement and shocking the world and winning the big ten tournament and gaining an auto birth to March Madness
  • hoosiers12
    was sitting in front of those kids with the sign at the game. All of the other IU students that saw it including myself got pretty pissed about it. On the back they had started to write "Fire Crean" too but didn't finish it. Unbelievable. Thankfully someone who worked for the team took it away from them. I can't even begin to believe that anyone would rather have Sampson as a coach instead of Crean, even if it does mean winning more.
  • aceman07
    How about this . . . get hot, pick up a couple big upsets (like WISC at home), get to 9-9 in the Big Ten and 15-15 overall and then win a game in the B10 tourney and then we'd be watching to see if they could pick up that second win to secure an NIT birth (because you know if they finished 17-16 they would get invited since this is still IU! I know that's just as far fetched but it seems more realistic than beating PU and/or MSU in the tournament! A 6-3 finish in the Big Ten would mean that we'd have to beat Minnesota and Northwestern on the road, and Wisconsin and OSU at home. I know that's pretty far fetched but not impossible. Too bad we didn't get Penn State at home this yearl
  • Diesel
    Hopefully the Iowa game really did something to this team because they've played 2 really good games. But....we know these kids are young (yes I'll still say it, they are) and their MO all year as been inconsistency and it wouldn't surprise me at all for them to show up flat in Evanston. I'd love to be wrong. If this is really Verdell Jones' team, if he has become our leader, than that won't happen, but so far this season that is what has happened.
  • IUMIKE1
    Agree on all points. The only for sure thing about this team this year is that nothing is for sure.
  • aceman07
    I'm not sure I would go that far! But here's to dreaming man!
  • kesims
    oh i am def dreaming but i guess watching hoosiers a million times growing up has helped me to dream and be overly optimistic which keeps it exciting
  • aceman07
    You know what I'm starting to look forward to? THE BIG TEN TOURNAMENT. I honestly think we can still get to 6 wins in the Big Ten and if we could beat Wisconsin at home and Northwestern on the road we may be able to get to 7 or 8 wins! I think we have the type team that could throw a wrench in the Big Ten tournament gears by upsetting an Illinois, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. I don't see us beating MSU or PU on a neutral floor but any of those other teams, I think we could beat. The Big 10 tourney could actually turn out to be a high point this year!
  • kesims
    Well the tourney is Indianapolis. We need to get every fan we can find to go ahead and buy the tickets for this. We could make these home games if enough fans by them up. Not to mention all of the others fans that will be rooting for us to pull off upsets in the early rounds
  • JerryCT
    While I too am looking forward to next year I am actually more interested in the rest of this season. The last 2 games show enormous possibilities for some entertaining competitiveness in most games. Players , coach and fans deserve a ton of credit and respect for their contniued commitment to improve. Last year I saw little improvement as a team. this year it appears to have clicked in the last 2 games.

    Pritchard's defense of Hummel last night was beautiful when he was assigned him man to man.
  • BFowler
    TP was a beast in the 1st. I think it had everything with the way Purdue was playing the Pick and Roll. They played the guard and let the big go. It gave a lot of open lanes and allowed Tom to shine. It was great to see him so pumped and excited to play. In the 2nd, you could see them back off and that left VJ III to shine. (By the way, how about that kid?) I think they took exactly what Purdue gave them and did not beat themselves with missed shots and turnovers.

    I agree, and was actually saying the same thing last night, that VJ III would not be the player he is with Creek in the lineup.....Silver lining and all that....Was Devan both good and bad last night?....I agreed with Lavin that Rivers looked like the only Indiana guard who was pressing.....The crowd was amazing, I was telling my boys, "Don't you want to be there right now?" By the way Coach Crean, my six-year old is 5' tall and 97 lbs, and huge Hoosier fan, just in case you are interested....I was really proud of the team last night, not happy that they lost, but proud.....Here's to a few of these games going our way in the future.
  • tberry
    Where is Watford???
  • And where did his shot go? Man, only hitting 3 shots out of 20 or more that he has taken? Thats worse than JR's early season Free throw shooting
  • jacobdetroy
    Does anyone know what recruits, if any, were there last night?
  • jacobdetroy
    To answer my own question - it is speculated that Jeremy Hollowell, Jared Drew and Kellon Thomas were in attendance last night here: http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/?p=6922. I wonder if there was anyone else and how far moral victories go in impressing recruits?
  • Diesel
    No speculation, I saw Hollowell and Thomas too. Not sure I'd recognize Jared Drew, but there was someone else sitting with those two.
  • Diesel
    Yes, I saw Austin Etherington and his little brother Alex at the game. Also saw Cody Zeller talking to them at halftime, I believe.
  • aceman07
    I'm beginning to think that Zeller could really help this team! I wasn't sold on him but now I think that even a running European style big man could help!
  • iudrew22
    i am really encouraged by the improvement that this team has shown. I have read a lot of comments that say something about IU making the NIT next year. While that may be true, I am thinking that it depends on two things:
    1. If we sign a HIGH quality guard or
    2. The new basketball facility speeds up the improvement more than we are giving it credit for.

    I think it will do wonders for these guys to have that place and it is opening very soon...so with the athleticism coming, maybe a guard (or gasp! a quality big) and the new facility I get the feeling that we might be heading back to the dance next year, which would be AMAZING considering what TC was left with! That is just my opinion...it might be more hope than anything...but do we ever have hope!
  • IUMIKE1
    One of the most encouraging things that came out of all this, and I'm kinda surprised that someone has not mentioned it yet, is what VJ 3 had to say in his post game comments. One of the first things he said was that he felt bad for the seniors.....twice even. Even though they are for the most part all practice players (Dumes excepted) they were in his thoughts. This IMHO shows that he is very much a team type player with everyone regardless of how many minutes you play on game day. Made the comment that we just lost to purdon't on our home court and we can't let that kind of thing happen anymore. On the last shot he took he said he should have passed it ahead to someone else and took the blame for that. When asked about TP's second half play compared to his first half play he said that he took the blame for that in that the guards, himself included, should have done a better job of getting the ball to him. On his shot towards the end of the game that got blocked he said he should have just went up stronger and dunked it, another lesson learned, next time I think he slams it. We can debate which hand he should have used but in my book VJ had the right idea in that if he goes up with that shot high enough and hard enough and slams it which hand he should have used is not even a topic of discussion plus if he slams it he is possibly at the line for a and one and the play becomes a dagger in the other team's hopes instead of one in ours. I thought his post game comments showed just how far he has come as a player and that he may very well be becoming the leader that this team so badly needs. Felt so bad for him you could tell he just wanted to scream out his frustration or hit something and then he said something that made me feel even better about him, when he seemed to be at the closest point of tears he said we just have to keep practicing hard and get back in the gym and get better. I think that is exactly what he will do.

    Agree with those that say Elston just needs to slow down just a half a step or so and it will benefit him greatly I think.

    JR's free throw shooting looks so much better hope his days of bricking his free throws are behind him now.

    Anyone at this point that still thinks Crean was a bad hire is just plain blind, stupid, don't know anything about bball or all three. Thought his coaching in the last two games was the best job that he has done maybe since he got here but then again maybe we are just now seeing what kind of a team that he has been molding for the last year and half.
  • Diesel
    Great post Mike. VJ3 has simply become a man.
  • Taskmaster75
    Anyone have some thoughts on Bawa's playing tonight. I saw him play, he's still a bit raw offensively, but I see that he is at least running the plays decently, and defensively, he looked pretty good against Jajuan Johnson, and forced him into some bad shots. I think he could be a very nice piece for us down the road.
  • valpohistory
    I thought he did some really good things in his minutes. He came in, had a beautiful box-out leading to a rebound. They came down, he almost got his hands on a rebound, then he altered JJ's shot, almost pulled down another board. Then they come down, Dumes pops a fast three that Bawa, STILL almost pulls down. Someone gets sent to the line, Bawa boxes the crap out of his man, but Cwat doesn't and Bade pulls down a rebound and Bawa couls him. I think his minutes were highly productive. He saved a foul to another of the big men, and he also did some nice things at the defensive end. If our players continue to develop like they have, Bawa doesn't have to be a offensive presence. If he can be, dare I say it, like Hasheem Thabeet was at UCONN, we would have a special player on our hands. Thabeet was VERY raw as well when he was at UCONN his first two years then really turned it on. Bawa does nice things, give him time
  • MillaRed
    Way to go Tackmaster, merely mentioning Jajuan Johnson's name just got another foul called on IU. It will carry over to the game at Purdue. In fact, he gets whistles 3 seconds before the ball even gets to him in the post.

    Listen for a second, listen.........listen........"Tweeeet!" There's another one!

    I cannot wait until a Hoosier gets that kind of help from the officials!
  • it's Indiana
    Careful, careful...they may T you up for talking bad about him!
  • Taskmaster75
    Bahahahaha. It's Mike Tisdale from that Illinois game in January all over again!!!
  • aceman07
    Yeah, if we're gonna get wrung up for that many fouls I'd like to see one of our guys just one time foul one of those bigs hard enough to make them think twice about taking the ball to the rim again! I'm not saying undercut anyone or try to hurt someone! I'm just old school and think when you foul a guy in the post he should still be thinking about that foul when he goes to the line for TWO because you know he didn't get the shot above the rim!
  • it's Indiana
    I liked his minutes. I agree that he was disruptive to Jajuan while he was in. He missed a block out, but owned up to it right away. I don't think we'll see much offense from him for a couple years. Character still counts for something though, and I really like his attitude. Did you see the "We (Heart) Bawa" in the crowd?
  • Taskmaster75
    I certainly heard the Bawa cheer :)
  • bloomingtonboiler
    I'm a recent Purdue grad working in Bloomington for a Medical device company, so I've been to a lot of IU football games (tailgating mostly), and few basketball games; but the atmosphere last night in Assembly Hall was truly awesome, and it makes perfect sense to me now that we don't ever win here. (10 years ago?) Kudos to a great game, as you definitely had me nervous sitting in a sea of hardcore fans. And, side note, completely didn't mind you guys calling the few Purdue faithful in the student section ass-holes, because honestly, I don't think anyone should sit in the opposing team's student section.....ever.

    My only complaint is the distasteful words and boo's you guys gave to Keady...Just so you know, Mackey gave Bobby a standing ovation when he came to announce the Purdue/Minnesota game. Just saying! Looking forward to more close, competitive, basketball games in the future. See you in a few weeks!
  • Mac
    You have to admit, Keady was there as a Purdue fan to root against the Hoosiers. And besides, I think he probably enjoyed getting booed by the Hoosier faithful.
  • Drew
    There was a bit of a difference though. Bobby was there to announce when PU wasnt playing IU. The hostility level was no where near what it was last night. Also Knight is a funny commentator, Keady just looks creepy lol
  • MillaRed
    We can't control the youthful IU fans sorry. It happens I guess.

    Can you please tell us what is the deal with Keady's hair? Certainly there is an unGodly explanation. (I know I am terrible)
  • GFDave
    Is it hair or is it memorex?
  • bloomingtonboiler
    Oh, no worries.

    Haha, and Keady's hair will always remain a mystery - don't worry, we think it's just as wrong as other people do... We can't control his hair...or lack of...or too much of...yeah you're right, it's just nasty!
  • IUDan
    That's really too bad - Keady is a class act and a great coach. I loved it when we beat him, but he doesn't deserve that - he's a stand-up guy. Disappointing.
  • MillaRed
    A lot of good posts in here. I personally am at a point where I think Crean is coaching his butt off. (you may recall I have been a little hard on him). The turning point? Inserting Elston into the starting line-up like many of us have said for weeks. Yes he needs to slow down, and he will. But there is something about that kid that just makes the team better.

    I am liking the 2010-2011 lineup:

    Rivers (learn from this seasons mistakes and you could be great)
    VIII (is he 1st Team All Big Ten now? At LEAST 2nd)
    Creek (find a way to click with VIII)
    Watford (I love the cool head he has on his shoulders)
    Elston (he will only get better)

    Another 3 guard lineup but I think those are our best 5. Hulls, Pritchard, Capo and Bawa provide depth along with the incoming class.
  • I've tried to stop myself from this, but wouldn't that lineup look great with Josh Selby running it? Rivers could play his natural "defensive stopper" off the bench.

    I know, I'm sorry everyone, I just couldn't help myself...
  • MillaRed
    Gee let me think Gleas.........

    If we get to a point where Rivers is coming off the bench to wear down an already tired starter, we are in business.

    Honestly, I like our guards. Please find us a dominating big man that can catch Rivers' air balls and dunk them.
  • I agree, would rather have a dominant big at this point, but I don't think were in with one like we are with Selby. Not that we're a leader with Selby, but at least we're on the list.
  • aceman07
    I think we ought to hit the JUCO trails hard to find that 6'8" - 6'9" strong post guy who isn't necessarily a refined scorer but can jump out of the gym, D up, and rebound. I hate to say it because I couldn't stand him when he played at IU, but a Marco Killingsworth type player would be a perfect fit. Then land a Selby type top recruit point guard and we're contenders in the Big Ten again!

    Any thoughts???
  • I wouldn't mind this route, especially because if you bring in a JC with junior eligibility wouldn't that open another scholly for the 2012 class? Is so, then the benefit is two-fold, as guy to help win now and to make that '12 class larger with all the great players in Indiana.
  • it's Indiana
    Damn you BGleas! :)
  • I know, I'm sorry...I'm ashamed of myself if that makes you feel any better! ;)
  • Taskmaster75
    Every man has the right to dream :)
  • jpniles
    I know that I am going to get lambasted for saying this... but oh well, here it goes.

    While I CANNOT argue that this team is better without Mo Creek (nor would I ever!), I think there is a silver lining in this. It has taken until now to materialize, but it is there in the person of VJIII. Mo Creek's injury has forced him to step into the role, and he has stepped up to the challenge. With Mo Creek back next year (even if not 100%), with this team a year older, and the role players coming next year, I am very hopeful. Even though they are heartbreaking losses, I have had a blast watching this team over the last two games!

    However, I am a hopeless optimist... GO HOOSIERS!
  • Agree. I would still much rather have Creek healthy, but think there is an argument to be made that early in the season VJIII struggled a bit in adjusting to his new teammates. I think there was a bit of a power struggle with him (probably just in his own mind, not necessarily actual confrontations) , which is natural when you're the returning player and some highly publicized frosh come in.

    He's definitely taken the team by the horns. I can't wait to see what type of player he is as a senior on a winning team!
  • Kelin Blab
    JP...You are correct....if you look forward with a scoring punch of VJ3, Creek, and Wateford, with J.Rivers running the show next year, it is not far fetched IU could make a post season tourney....keyword...'a' postseason tourney....i.e. NIT
  • IUDan
    Completely agree guys . . . I have to say that I've really seen alot the last few games (despite losing efforts). I love Crean juggling the lineup, and VJ3 is really becoming the "go to guy" this team desperately needs.

    But looking forward, I really believe we can make big steps forward next year (and even the remainder of this year). I anticipate alot of improvement from our bigs (many players make the biggest improvement between FR and SO year). Hopefully Creek and Roth come back 100%, and if Rivers can develop a somewhat reliable jump shot, we could be really dangerous. Hulls just seems like the type of player who will continue to get better and better.

    Add in (t least) two freshman who will add valuable depth and athleticism - and who we won't need to throw into action immediately, and we have the makings of a pretty good team.
  • I'm not trying to play the moral victory card, but with the way VJIII is developing, and along with Watford, a healthy Creek, Elston, Hulls etc, I feel good because I'm starting to see what is possible in the next two years.

    I see no reason, assuming this is just the start for VJIII and those other guys develop as well, that in two years this team can't compete for a Big Ten title. I think IU needs a major recruit or two to be on that level nationally, but I just feel like I finally see a "team" out there instead of a bunch of guys running around.
  • Bored_in_the_Offseason
    Couple of thoughts:
    1) Sorry to hear that TP lost his grandmother, but he played like a man possessed because of it. Here’s to hoping he has officially turned the corner. He set great picks last night, fought harder for rebounds and took the ball the basket with force. I would argue that the first half of last night’s game was his most complete as a Hoosier.
    2) I have to disagree with everyone bemoaning JR's play. I think that his greatest offensive weapon is his ability to penetrate and get to the bucket. Last night he just couldn’t finish. That happens to all players. He’s easily the best ball handler on the team and having him on the court helps create offense by collapsing the lane.
    3) Its been great to watch VJ grow up right in front of us. Sure, that blocked layup was ugly. But give credit where credit is due. Kramer forced him to the baseline to make the play and then he couldn’t. Simple as that. No need to over analyze it.
    4) Sure, it was another poor ending for us. But look at this program from a macro standpoint. They are making huge strides in the right direction and we are competing with good teams again. They may continue to lay an egg here and there, but its all part of the process.
  • valpohistory
    I agree with all points except number 3. Even VJ said he should've just hammered it home. He dunks that basketball on that play, there is an outstanding chance we win that game. The block was a complete momentum changer. It was a four point swing if I remember correctly
  • widget
    True, JR can breakdown a defense off the dribble, but a double-pump reverse layup is not the answer. Lavin said as much himself. JR over did it. He has the experience to know better and it hurt the team. I'll take his grit, his FT improvement and great D, but he should have a better BBall IQ in those situations.
  • JerryCT
    Also, for me the play of the game was the Pritchard screen on Kramer.............loved it
  • it's Indiana
    Jerry -

    For the first time I really keyed in on what Pritchard does off the ball that helps create offense. I get what you have been saying now. The screen on Kramer was certainly the exclamation point. I loved the closeups on him trying to shake out the cobwebs!
  • JerryCT
    For those that donot appreciate Pritchard I always reccommend watching the game twice, once just keying on him because he may the most active and fun to watch;

    1) sets the high ball screen
    2) handles the ball on the high post
    3) comes out to get passes in the half court when a guard picks up the dribble and gets stuck
    4) helps on D for everyone else

    5) bodies his man so guards can rebound while his guy does not
    6) sets the best screen in the B10 , you can take it to the bank
    7) hedges on the other teams high ball screen and drives the guy to the sideline if he has to

    I am happy you appreciate him.......everyone should
  • valpohistory
    I'm with you. People have really bashed Pritchard and said he has digresssed. I am in the minority who feels he has improved. He isn't asked to be the leading scorer anymore so he has turned into a "glue guy" for this team that does all of the little things. He is HUGE and when he sets screens, people get smashed, ala Kramer. He stays on the court, we are a much better team. Good post.
  • JerryCT
    I congratulate the fans for a top ranked performance. I was impressed by our coaching in the last 2 games as we have subtly altered our rotations and schemes, going more to a high post and a bigger lineup.

    I can finally see the possibilities for this team to do some damage in the B10. PU beat us because they have 3 "go to" players and we have maybe 1. We need the whole team contributing and we got that last night. The possibilities I see are:

    1. More JR into the lane but with a few options from there , like a Watford pop
    2. More hard roll from TP and finally a few passes to him
    3. Some NW style backdoors off the high post to Dumes or Jones on the wings

    People will not like this comment but as the Hulls minutes have gone down and the Elston/Dumes minutes have gone up we have looked a damn site better..........I like Hulls but I am coldly realistic about the facts.
  • widget
    I give Purdue exactly no credit. You can take the rankings, win-loss records and everything thing else that's "supposed" to happen and toss 'em. This is Indiana-Purdue. The crowd alone proved that. What an atmosphere!

    So, the game really boiled down to two things. Missed front-ends on the FT line, and a lost offensive team for the opening 5 minutes. Give JR credit for shooting free throws, but for the life of me, I just don't get what he is doing over-penetrating to bad shot attempts. And waiting until the final ten seconds of a possession to get moving offensively is truly maddening.

    We played hard, but it just 'aint good enough. Knock down the FT's and it's a different outcome.
  • Mac
    I think he means the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half, but I'm just guessing.
  • aceman07
    What do you mean by, "lost offensive team for the opening 5 minutes"? The game I watched showed IU scoring a season high 47 first half points and at the first TV timeout they were right in the game. How much more offensively effective could they get?

    I do agree with Rivers overpenetrating though! Pull up man, pull up!
  • widget
    I'm referencing the opening minutes of the second half. I don't know what's in the Gatorade in the locker room, but it is putting our guys to sleep! IU just isn't good enough to withstand the disappearing acts we seem to be so prone to reliving. I put that on the shoulders of bad point play and laziness offensively. JR, CW primarily.
  • aceman07
    Okay. Yeah the opening 5 minutes of the second half was the only period of time that IU lost on the scoreboard. I like to try to break down the game by looking at the periods of time between TV timeouts and seeing if we won that period before the break. It's sort of the baseball guy coming out in me. I used to preach winning every inning and IU definitely lost that inning in that game!
  • Taskmaster75
    Out of control driving, and some of his pullups just looked god awful. He had a rough game.
  • dabig
    I'm sick of Dumes. There, I said it.
  • indyBoiler
    I am the rare Purdue fan who roots for IU all but twice a year. I was texting a few IU friends of mine talking trash about how we were going to destroy you guys and I was definitely eating crow. As an independent observer of IU basketball, I have to say that all those expressing frustration at TC should really gain a little perspective. He's building a program from the ground up, and I don't know many (if any) coaches in DI ball who could do the incredible job that TC has done in building this team into what you are today. And what you are today is a team that is still perhaps a below .500 team, but one that goes out every night and competes. And that is credited almost entirely to the coach. The play that best exemplifies this was hulls going to the ground against JJ, wrestling the ball away from him and calling timeout before hummel could get there and tie the ball up. These players are listening to TC and are willing to go to war for him. All that you're missing is high-level talent from position 1-7 (which you're building, Mo Creek and Christian are examples of that) and experience, which is crucially important, especially during the B10 season.

    I know it's frustrating to root for a losing team, trust me, I'm a Purdue fan. And this year will probably end without a post-season invite. And next year you might only get an invite to the NIT. That's ok, because you have the institutional support, the fan support, the facilities, the coach and the history to make a comeback. And you're doing it the right way, recruiting good people who are also good basketball players. This probably won't be the last frustrating loss you'll experience this season, but if the game tonight is any indication, then it certainly seems that you have more of these types of losses behind you than in front of you.

    Great game tonight IU, you had me sweating. I'm certainly looking forward to more of these battles in the future.

    Also, to the ITH guys: you run a fantastic website, probably the best college basketball blog out there.
  • aceman07
    Thanks for the positive comments. I have to admit that I root for Purdue as well as the other Indiana college teams (ie. Notre Dame, Butler, etc.) when they aren't playing IU. The one exception would be if Purdue were to play in the NCAA title game. I do root for Purdue during the season but I think I enjoy the fact that PU hasn't won an NCAA tournament championship too much. Sorry man.
  • nice work purdue. ITH is nice.

    VJ3 for PREZ
  • Bill
    Todd Leary Info - this was in the FW Journal Gazette:

    Published: February 4, 2010
    Ex-IU player charged in realty funds scheme
    Rebecca S. Green - FW Journal Gazette

    Former Indiana University basketball player and current radio announcer Todd C. Leary faces 17 felony charges in connection with a scheme to misappropriate real estate title funds.

    According to court documents, Leary’s former teammate, Brian Evans, cooperated with state investigators to uncover the scheme.

    Leary played basketball for coach Bob Knight’s Hoosiers from 1990 to 1994; the team advanced to the NCAA Final Four in 1992.

    Leary once worked for former title insurance broker Joseph Garretson, who pleaded guilty this week in Allen Superior Court to conversion or misappropriation of title insurance escrow funds, corrupt business influence and unlawful loan origination activities in a scheme that court documents say totaled $2.7 million in losses.

    IU police arrested Leary – an analyst for the Indiana University Radio Network – on Thursday evening, and he was booked into the Monroe County Jail in Bloomington about 6:45 p.m., 15 minutes before IU’s home game against Purdue.

    Leary, 39, of Carmel, is accused of conspiring with Garretson between July 2008 and February 2009 to commit a variety of felonies, including conspiracy to commit conversion or misappropriation of title insurance escrow funds, conspiracy to commit theft and conspiracy to corrupt business influence. The majority of the charges are Class C felonies, with penalties of up to four years in prison each.

    Garretson is accused of arranging mortgage refinancing loans for area clients and failing to use the money to pay off the initial loans, causing mortgage holders to default.

    Under the terms of Garretson’s plea agreement, he faces no more than 12 years in prison when he is sentenced in April, according to court documents.

    After Garretson’s arrest last fall, Leary called Evans – a mutual friend – and told Evans he was “a big part of Garretson’s situation,” documents said.

    Garretson met Leary through Evans and hired Leary in 2004 to work for Mortgage Links, a mortgage company Garretson opened in the Indianapolis area, according to court documents.

    Leary left Garretson’s company to work for Ken Dilger, a former Indianapolis Colts player. After he went to work for Dilger, Leary approached Garretson about needing money to cover $289,000 he misappropriated from Legends Title, court documents said.

    In a December phone call to Evans, Leary said Garretson helped him out when he was in “big trouble.” Leary went on to say Garretson did not have much of a choice because Leary had caught Garretson misappropriating funds when Leary worked for him, according to court documents.

    Through his attorney, Garretson told investigators that Leary pressured him on numerous occasions for more money, threatening to disclose Garretson’s financial misdeeds, according court documents.

    According to court documents, between March 11, 2008, and Feb. 12, 2009, more than $1 million in wire transfers went from a Fort Wayne Title bank account into a National City Bank account opened by Leary. Between March 2008 and March 2009, Leary withdrew $690,000 from the account, according to court documents.

    rgreen@jg.net
  • Kelin Blab
    WOW....First, for my first PU v IU game may atmosphere thoughts...
    + Great atmosphere
    + I didn't know IU really really really HATED Purdue, the FU Purdue and A-Hole chants gave that impression early in the game.
    + In the balcony, the Jordy 3 made the ground shake a little.....rival the Marco K dunk

    The Game....
    + It wasn't PU's experience that beat IU it was bad timing that did. Missed F/T, defensive lapse, and a bad turnover.
    + This is VJ3's team now until he leaves.
    + Elston needs to slow down on offense.
    + Pritchard needs to be involved more
    + Crean has coached this team to improvements....Less Turnovers, better rebounding, better F/T by the team and Rivers
    + If a recruit such as teague or selby can't see how CLOSE this team is they are missing something.
    + I keep thinking about my thoughts when mo creek went down and how now I don't really think about it.....but we could still use him....
  • Mac
    Didn't know IU hated Purdue? I'm sorry, but where are you from?
  • ldiu
    This is probably my 30th IU-PU game and I agree with almost all you say. I am not sure Pritchard can get "more" involved, but need to stay simply "involved" as he was tonight. Elston will be just fine and will have some really big nights in his future. I am quite concerned with the shooting of Watford the last 2 games. He is 3-21 and that simply cannot happen as he is too important to the team. It was a fun atmosphere (for the most part), but the 3 straight missed one on ones were just killers.
  • Taskmaster75
    I think he means that Pritchard should be getting more minutes, but that's not the problem. This is the first game in a LONG time that Pritchard hasn't been in foul trouble. There is a reason that he has started almost the entire season.
  • Diesel
    And notice how much of the game Pritchard was not guarding on the block. He actually spent quite a bit of time guarding Hummel, and didn't do too bad of a job. You would think that would put him at risk for more foul trouble.
  • Taskmaster75
    Indeed, which leads me to believe that Pritchard has been extremely unlucky with calls this year. The Big Ten refs as a whole frustrate me though I guess.
  • dale11
    Right on Kelin. I was in the balcony as well and when it started shaking I was a little nervous. That is loudest I have ever heard Assembly Hall at a game I've been to.
  • iurons
    I have posted all season that we are a top recruit away from being a contender for an upper division big ten team. After tonights game maybe this team can really develop into a NCAA tournament team in the very near future with the current players and a freshman or two that " fit " into Tom Crean's system. Great game ' loved the poise they have shown this last week.
  • Hardwood83
    Free-throws. Great effort IU & who was that guy wearing #25 in the 1st half? but FT killed em. How did this team get drilled by Iowa at home again?
  • aceman07
    Do you think that TP might of got tired? He was still effective defensively and on the glass in the second half but I think he may have worn out a bit when you consider he's used to playing is 3-5 minute spells before he's in foul trouble again and probably has average less than 20 minutes a game this year because of that foul trouble. Wondering what you guys thought? And where did Watford go in the second half? I think he won't disappear like that as an upperclassman.
  • Hardwood83
    Maybe he was tired- he wasn't wide open like the 1st half. TP doesn't really create his own shot so is dependent on penetration or defensive break-downs. I agree about Watford, he has the tools but not the confidence or consistency yet. The good news is look at VJ3, he is the best player on this team and early last year I never would have guessed that. Let's hope CC can develop the rest of these youngsters (especially some big men) like that and we're in business.
  • sray22
    Last year, we get killed. This year, we are highly competitive, but fall short. Hopefully, next year, we win these games at home. Where art thou, Mo Creek? If we had you, we could of possibly won a couple of these nailbiters this year. Regardless, I'm proud of these guys for their effort, and it's been nice to watch some IU basketball games this year, and feel we have a chance to win. We played Kentucky even for two quarters and Purdue even for 4 quarters--it's a step in the right direction. Just one final note--FREE THROWS--gotta get the free ones.
  • BaseballBuc
    Being as mad as I have ever been watching an IU game I have to say this. I am sick and tired of hearing that the reason IU can't make free throws is because they are too young with this kind of pressure. Free throws are free throws, if you are down 1 shooting 2 free throws, it doesn't matter if you are a frosh or a senior, the pressure is the same IMO. Step up there and drain them.

    As time goes by my anger has moved to sadness for the players. In particular, VJIII, he looked like he was on the verge of tears in his press conference. I really feel for these kids, If you told me at the beginning of the season that Purdue was going to come to IU ranked #7 in the country with the best defensive team in the Big 10, without Mo Creek, I wouldn't of expected IU to even be competitive. Despite the free throw hiccups, we were right there. That in itself is amazing.
  • ace132
    Haha i completely agree with BGleas, so much easier said than done. the pressure is the same for everyone u are right, but it is how you deal with it that matters. the fact is as a senior you have more experience in that situation, thats why it matters
  • Have you ever been on the free throw line down 2 with 2 minutes to go in front of 20,000+ people live and another million plus on national TV?
  • Taskmaster75
    It's a tough business. People take for granted how the simplest things are especially hard when you are in the spotlight. I don't think my arms would stop shaking for me to even take the shot :P
  • Dirk
    They are continuing to improve. It's amazing all that goes into being a top flight college basketball team. Although we're forced to witness it because we have no other choice, I have come to appreciate each phase. Before they can beat the best, they have to compete with them. Tonight they went toe to toe with the 7th ranked team in the country. This simply couldn't happen a month ago.
  • aceman07
    I actually thought the Hoosiers were toast three times. Purdue put them down by six around 14 minutes and again around 8 minutes and then again at the minute and a half mark and all three times I sat and thought that was it! But at this point this looks like a different Hoosier team! They never had the chance to be tough against Iowa but think about the increase in toughness and backbone we have seen in the past few weeks. First there were the late game letdowns against Illinois and Michigan. Then came the near losses in games where they led against PSU and Minnesota. Then all the sudden when teams start to put pressure on them and try to make those late game runs the young Hoosiers stay tough and remain composed as they did at Illinois Saturday and again tonight against PU.

    I agree that the free throw shooting is tough to watch, especially for those of us who have followed the Hoosiers for decades and grew up on a brand of Indiana basketball (as a state not just a school) where fundamentals were the focus. I remember being in middle school and high school and just wishing to be in a situation where I could hold the ball at the end of a game and shoot free throws to seal the win! It's really tough watching two home grown Indiana boys miss front ends of one-and-ones late in a game why we should be wrapping up the game.

    Finally, I hope VJ3 (despite being the obvious go to guy and leader on this team) has learned in that late game situation to use his left hand and shield the defender when driving to the basket on the left side of the court! That's another thing I pointed out while watching the game. I never remember going to my right hand on that side of the court, EVER, or even thinking about it when I drove with my left hand. It was instinct from fundamental practices to automatically go up with the left hand. If he had, he wouldn't have got the shot blocked because the ball would have been farther forward in his shooting motion and Cramer would have been forced to go through him.

    All in all, although disappointed again by a tough loss, I leave this game pretty happy and for the first time all season I found myself falling off the edge of my seat at the end of a game and actually jumping out of it at the buzzer. Too bad it turned out to be a, "Crap, I thought it was good" moment!
  • Drew
    aceman07- I have a major issue with your statement on VJ3's layup. First of all good to know you would never think about using your right hand on the left side of the court, way to lose a total arsenal of shots and creativity. More importantly you totally misdiagnosed this play. It was the right move to keep it in the right-hand as Kramer was trailing VJ3. Verdell practically blocked his own shot by not getting it high on the glass and Kramer was there to tip it away. If he goes left-handed he puts the ball behind him and in plain reach of Kramer who could make an easy play instead of a very good one.
  • aceman07
    I guess it's just a matter of opinion. As a guard used to protecting the ball against bigger players I think it was the location of the ball in relation to the basket not necessarily the defender. If VJ3 goes up with the left the ball is farther forward and if you watched the play Cramer came across VJ from behind. If the ball is farther forward or closer to the rim then Cramer has to go through him to block the shot. I'm not saying I wouldn't be creative if the situation forced it. I'm just saying that laying the ball up fundamentally sound with the left hand from the left hand side would have got the ball to the rim quicker and more shielded. And what does the defender being behind VJ have to do with anything. How many times does a player shoot a layup with the defender in front of him? I guess we just differ on our opinion of fundamentals. It may be an age thing.
  • milton58
    Just wanted to say I really feel for the players on the team this year. I am an msu alum, but I really like Crean. It is really disappointing to see how hard this team fights to only come up a little short every game. However, I think in the next two years, IU will be a serious contender in the league again. It has to be hard right now, but better times are ahead. Keep your heads up. Good Indiana teams are good for the league as a whole. IU has the best basketball pedigree in the league, and I can't wait for the days when MSU and IU play for the league title.
  • Nice post milton58. We don't necessarily get a lot of that coming from fans of other teams. They looked good tonight, but no moral victories. Especially when it's Purdue! I, like you, expect us to be even more competitive next year, and very strong the year after. Here's to hoping!
  • milton58
    I agree on the Purdue note....Chris Kramer has to be the most obnoxious player in the league...although I'm sure people thought that about Travis Walton too...
  • valpohistory
    Kramer carries himself like a jackass. Walton did not. I loved Walton's game
  • plane1972
    I have developed a respect for Purdue these last few years. Their fans are still obnoxious, envious ignoramouses, but their program is in good form. Some of the passion in the rivalry may be lacking because we no longer have those polarizing heads of Knight and Keady. However, I think Painter is doing a great job with their program and I would kill to have guys like Kramer in cream and crimson.

    The rivalry is coming back and that will be great for the conference and for attracting those top-tier recruits we desire. Duke and UNC have had a monopoly on primetime rivalry for long enough. It's time for us to reclaim the premiere rivalry in the country. I believe those days are coming.
  • brosallman
    I was at the other Hall on Saturday and was surprised how quiet it seemed. (except at McCamey's game winner) It was good to hear the noise coming from my screen tonight. Hopefully some of our recruits heard it too.
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