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Good, Bad and Ugly: Illinois

by Ryan Corazza in Good Bad Ugly | January 9th, 2010

THE GOOD: CONSISTENCY, EXECUTION, AGGRESSION.

The Good Hoosiers showed up tonight in Bloomington. After the Bad Hoosiers lacked any sense of urgency in Columbus earlier this week, IU was a completely different squad this evening. They played like they wanted to win, like they deserved to win.

Perhaps this is just what we’re in for this season: a bit of deer-in-the-headlights-what-are-we-doing play on the road, while on its home court, Indiana plays with the utmost confidence. If the Hoosiers can give this kind of effort inside Assembly Hall every time out, they’ll be in most, if not all, of their home contests.

IU rattled off 41 points in the first half, and looked like a team on a mission. They were executing at both ends of the floor. One thing I want to point out during that impressive first 20 minutes: there’s a reason Jordan Hulls is starting alongside Jeremiah Rivers in the backcourt: his spot-up shooting ability. When Rivers is at his best on the dribble-drive and can draw help defense, Hulls stays at home on the wing or corner and has enough spacing to elevate and hit the three. And Rivers is athletic enough to take it all the way to the hole as well.

But when you’re hot, hot, hot, in the first half, you’re bound to cool in the second. Sure, the Hoosiers lacked some of that aggression and allowed Illinois to mount a comeback with their fouling, but IU’s shooting numbers tell a hot and cold tale: first half (14-of-25, 56 percent; 5-of-6 from three for 83.3 percent), second half (8-of-28, for 28.6 percent, 1-of-7 from three for 14.3 percent).

I expected Illinois to come back tonight, because it’s what they’ve done all season long: mount a comeback on a double-digit lead, get it close, and then go to war in the final few minutes. The Illini simply executed better down the stretch. Bruce Weber drew up a play for freshman D.J. Richardson when they were down one with 1:22 to go, and he hit the jumper. They hit their free throws down the stretch as well. IU didn’t, and hit a horrific scoring skid the last 8:28 of the game, getting outscored 18-3. They only scored 19 points in the second half.

Simply put, the better, more experienced team found a way to win this game this evening, because that’s what those kind of teams do. IU is still figuring that out, and it was frustrating to see all the good the Hoosiers did in the first half come in a losing effort. The IU team of a season ago gets routed in this game. This current incarnation plays well enough, but can’t finish. Future incarnations find a way to win this game.

In due time, they’ll get there.

THE BAD AND UGLY: FOULS.

I’m not here to complain about the refs. There were only a few calls I wasn’t a fan of, and they really could have gone either way. But Indiana was so foul-happy tonight — and it wasn’t just on shot attempts, it was reach-ins, and moving screens, and fouls off the ball — that Illinois got a whopping 38 attempts at the line. And it was a big chunk of their first-half offense: Illinois took 23 fouls shots, and hit 16 of them. They had 28 points at half, so only 12 points came in other ways besides the charity stripe. IU also got crushed on the boards in the second half, getting out-rebounded 24-13.

The Illini were in the bonus early in the second half, and it allowed them to chop away at the lead without any time coming off the clock. They hit 11 of their 16 second-half attempts from the line, including some key ones in the clutch.

There’s a fine line between being aggressive and being over-aggressive when playing defense, and the Hoosiers crossed it at points tonight. Yet, this was just a Big-Ten bruiser of a game: it was physical, it was heated, and you saw some jawing and pushing on the court.

Perhaps the younger, less experienced team played into that a bit too much with all the fouling going on this evening.

  • cooper
    love to see where people say Elston will or will not transfer like they know him so well. We can all give opinions but no one really knows. I don't really care how the players look in practice unless they just aren't trying. He has shown he is more talented than any other 4/5 on the roster. With that said I could see him transferring if he doesn't get minutes. Its clear he has lost his confidence from earlier in the year and thats due to Crean not playing him.

    There is a difference between committed and stubborn and Crean is becoming stubborn in how he is substituting and coaching. The 2nd half is all about adjustments, Weber made them and Crean didn't.
  • oldiugymnast
    You know, I love basketball and grew up in Indiana (too short for bball though) and understand the game pretty well. In CA even at 41 I can out play most of the 25 year olds here just because I grew up in THE basketball state. That said, I have a little trouble with all of the comments second guessing Coach Crean. First off, he is in practice and knows the kids. I don't and neither do any of the people commenting here. Second, having coached another sport at the highest level, I understand the value of putting your athletes in difficult or learning situations. It is clear that Coach sees this season as a season to build skills and capacity rather than one in which having a great record is important. I think based on his ability to take large leads with the lack of personnel he had last year that Coach Crean knows what he is doing, and I am quite certain that there is a method to his madness.

    I was disappointed in the outcome of this game, sure. I always want IU to win. But I would not castigate a Coach who has been given the unenviable task of digging this program out of the deep hole that Sampson dug. Yeah, I like ball screens, ball movement, tough d and team d just like every other good Indiana boy that learned how to run a pick and roll when they were 10, but I am not on that bench and I don't know those kids. I am pleased with the progress and with the team for now. I think it is more than premature to be calling for the coaches head (like Smitty does) when the team has only his very young and very first recruiting class and is still hampered by sanctions. We weren't supposed to beat Illinois anyway, they were ranked in the top 25 (wrongly) coming into the season. That we had a decent chance at the end of the game is something to celebrate.
  • plane1972
    I agree with you, Cooper, that people don't know Elston well enough to substantiate rumors of him transferring, but I also don't think you know the situation well enough to say 1) that he has lost his confidence and 2) that it's because Crean is not playing him. Maybe his play has been affected by some cute cheerleader who broke his heart. Maybe a little far-fetched, I admit. Have you seen our cheerleaders? Oh, that was out of line. I apologize.
  • Wish
    For how ecstatic I was about IU in the first half, I was just as disappointed in the second half. The glaring need of veteran leadership on the floor really stood out in my mind as the veteran Illini players just kept grinding and grinding while the IU youngsters seemed to play to not to lose.

    I thought there were a few instances where Crean could have called timeout to slow down a run but I can understand if he was letting his boys play in an effort to teach them to play through adversity. The young IU big men (5 spot) were atrocious, slow and passive. Sometimes I wish that an opposing player would punch Pritchard in the nose just to see what would happen.

    This loss hurts but we weren't supposed to beat Pitt so I guess this loss evens that out. Realistically, I'm hoping this team can finish at .500 while showing some more flashes of leadership on the floor out of the players. Every game I wish that VJ would take over and become a leader but it hasn't happened yet. Rivers would be perfect for the job but he's still learning on the job himself....maybe next year.
  • MillaRed
    Hey guys, can we please bury the Elston transfer bs until we get a legitimate report on the subject? The kid has played 14 Division 1 games. Do you think he expected to average a double-double at this point in his career? I agree the playing time is curious but from what I have read, this is a stand-up kid from a great Indiana family. I don't see a transfer making any sense in a rebuilding year.

    The more I think about Rivers the more frustrated I get. So much potential. Man it would be great if he put it all together next year. The guy is a top 10 athlete in the Big Ten.

    How about this line-up?

    Rivers
    Dumes
    VIII
    Watford
    Elston

    This is in my opinion our best scoring line-up. It thins out the bench but who cares? These guards are capable of playing a lot of minutes anyway. What do you guys think?
  • I think this lineup is worth a shot, why not? Lots of guys have gotten an opportunity this year, but for some reason Elston and Dumes seem to have not gotten as much of a chance. Elston in particular deserves a shot at extended minutes IMO.
  • BigRed3588
    I think the main reason we don't see Elston more is he has shown to be a bit of a defensive liability. I've noticed a few times that he is out of position when switching off on screens and it has led to baskets for the other team. That being said, he's not the only big man we have that struggles defensively and I feel like his offensive production could not only offset his difficulties on defense but improve his D by giving him that confidence boost.

    As for Dumes, I agree with the limited minutes. We could use his defense a little more, but frankly, I'm tired of seeing him hoist threes with 30 seconds left on the shot clock. As one person above stated, he's never seen a shot he didn't like and he simply misses too much. Also, I think his limited minutes are the reason he's playing smarter. If starting was a certainty, I expect we'd see the same careless play from last year.
  • btowncain
    YES,YES, and YES!!! lol I've been thinking about what kind of lineup we should be playing with right now and that is the BEST lineup and the one that makes the most sense. Think about it for a minute and break it down, Rivers and Dumes provide upperclassman support and should put us in a good spot to start games, VJ3 is playing very good basketball and the only knock on him is to figure out how to make plays late in games and if he's going to drive in the lane stop getting in bad position to not be able to do anything, Watford and Elston give us our best front court scoring and athleticism, and CTC needs to play Bawa much more because I feel he can contribute right now, I know he looks lost at times but when he's on the court he does make plays. Our bench rotation should be Hulls, Moore, BobbyC, Pritchard, and Bawa.

    And don't believe any Elston transfer rumors because he's staying put for 4 years, CTC is just trying to find what works on the court and once he starts @Michigan this week he'll be a lock on the court for the rest of the season.

    Any word on if we will see Roth on the court this season? I would love to put him and Hulls on the court with Rivers dribble drive.

    One more thing, this program is coming back it's just going to take another year or so and a top player or two in the next 2 classes and we with be thinking BigTen champs and much more. GO HOOSIERS!!!
  • aceman07
    I want to add this a full day after the game . . . to Derek Elston - If you would ever consider transferring, DON'T!!! Us true Indiana fans love to see a home grown boy succeed at IU and despite a bit of freshman discrimination (maybe because you committed before CTC got here) we all think you are a top notch recruit and perfect for Indiana! Work on those free throws and stick around to become a fan favorite and great big man here at IU!!!
  • trailrunner
    Two questions

    1. Can someone explain our half court offense to me. I am baffled. Illinois ran plays at the end to win and we play one on one. It seems like deja vu all over again (Mike Davis). Dumes never saw a shot he did not like. Please someone tell me what are the goals of this offense.

    2. Why does Elston not play more? Is he in the doghouse for some reason? He has the potential to be an all conference player in my opinion.
  • Kelin Blab
    Jerry....
    Elston and Dumes minutes bother me some. Dumes for instance I think is playing more under control this year and it could be due to his minutes being controlled more. Now he did throw a nice elbow yesterday, but it seems when he is on the court for a 'period' of time and for a reason, he does well.....when he has ample minutes, I think you open yourself up for things like we had last year...

    With Elston....ofcourse we don't know what goes on in practice.....I think he should be playing more, but I don't think he has found his place yet. I can't say enough, offensively, Elston has more game than he has shown, just not sure if he is comfortable being that assertive as Christian is.

    Wateford on D vs Davis was solid solid solid.

    Having a 3yr old has give me the patience of Job.....so my IU team is in good shape.
  • JerryCT
    + I fully agree on Moore...........and like his energy .

    + I fully agree on off ball screens which only Elston seems to do

    + You need to credit Dumes for playing under near full control this year....also great

    + Add Watford's D on Davis to your list

    + Why did Elston not take the open 3, I think he can hit it

    - Not sure why the Elston, Dumes minutes donot bother you into some controlled "impatience"
  • Kelin Blab
    I did read on here that Austin Rivers and Tyler Zeller was at the game. Can someone verify this.
    + What is up with the fans this year...I know EJ is gone but no "name" driven chants, especially with Zeller and Austin Rivers possibly being there. (we must keep the austin rivers rumors going people it may work)

    + I have actually liked the ball pressure, ball handling, and improvements of Daniel Moore. Compared to last year he has gotten better and did some good things when he came in.

    + I want to see more off the ball screens in the offense, but they ran some good sets yesterday and got good shots.

    + I am not going to beat up on Crean til next year maybe because I have some insight on what it is to build a program from nothing and given in his first two years at IU literally has an all new starting five, and yet still competing at this level, I am just going to be patient.
  • Zeller and Rivers were indeed there. Also in attendance: Shawn Teague (no Marquis), A.J. Hammons and Yogi Ferrell. Could have been others, but that's the list I spotted.
  • Druid
    I would like to add to the Elston themes. I for the life of me, cannot understand why we don't keep Derek in for most of the game. This kid gives you 100% at all times. He is an Indiana kid and he gets it about what it is to be a Hoosier. He is a scoring threat and in my opinion, he is, or definitely should be, a huge part of rebuilding this team. He defends well and can score from either inside or out and is quick enough to guard smaller players. I can't begin to guess what Crean's motives are as to why he isn't starting and playing more minutes but it is my opinion coach should rethink his rotations and starting line-ups. Also believe that last nights loss rest solely on Coach Crean's shoulders. Having a walk-on on the floor when you are sitting Elston as well as Dumes is in this writers opinion ...crazy. It's hard to build the confidence and team chemistry when outstanding players like Elston and Dumes are riding the pine. Playing time it seems to me should be given to scholarship players that are obviously very good rather than walk-ons. Just my opinion. And I surely hope that Elston stays with our program. Losing him would be very bad for us. I love to watch him play and grow as a Hoosier.
  • Kelin Blab
    Red hopefully those Elston rumors are not true. He is our only true 4 man and I love the kid and what he can bring and become. We cannot lose another post player.....geez
  • Kelin Blab
    I have not heard that Elston thing, and hope it isn't true. Seems kinda early to even hear those rumors. Elston has a place at Indiana so I would be STUNNED if he left given he is our ONLY legit 4 man.
  • BaseballBuc
    First off, I will jump on the bandwagon and also say the officiating was terrible. What more can you say than, "isn't basketball a contact sport?"

    Secondly, It really lifted my spirits and made me feel good, when I saw Mo Creek on the bench, and doing the pregame ritual.

    Thirdly, I've got to be honest about VJIII. Last year I honestly couldn't bear to watch him play with all the turnovers and such. But this year could not be more different. VJIII is definetely the glue to this team. As he goes, the hoosiers go. Last night when he yelled at Bobby Capo for not being in the right spot, the commentators were saying about how you don't yell at your teamates on the court. To tell you the truth, I liked it. It kind of let me know that at least one person on this team wants to win more than anybody. He even appeared on a big 10 commercial. He needs to step up and be the leader of the program.

    Lastly, I was disappointed in the crowd not getting a ZELLER or AUSTIN RIVERS chant going.

    p.s. I really really hope the comments made about Elston don't turn about to be true. Would be a HUGE loss.
  • HoosierSmitty
    Agree on Creek. It was great to see him introduce the starting lineup, do the pregame with the guys, and just be visible on the bench.
  • JerryCT
    FYI : I analyzed the play-by-play and with Dumes in the game in the first half we gained 7 and 3 pts respectively in his stints. Thus we gained 4 pts w/o him in the game in the half. For the game we gain 1 pt w him in the game. For the game w/o him in the game we are -7pts. Mich game was even more obvious.

    I believe this tells me he makes a difference and I have my own analysis I need not repeat as to why. Its nuts not to play him 30min if he can do it. If the other team has a Jeff Jordan then I have no problem w Hulls or Moore playing. If the opponent has a McCamey, Diebler, Richardson, Simmons, Buford, Turner, E-Moore etc then I think Hulls/Moore should get 20min between them and not 40min.

    I think coach needs to be more innovative and risk-taking given where we are. Lets try some off ball screens for Watford, some trapping D, some Bawa when the game is on the line, VJ in the post and above all more minutes for Elston and Dumes. YET in his post game he says he will not change anything............................no change ? = same result
  • Dirk
    I'm disappointed to see all the posts complaining about the officiating. It's a display of weakness to whine about calls. They may have been ticky tack fouls but they were fouls nonetheless. The IU players were repeatedly going too far with the physical play. Anyway, did anyone notice the BTN's game reset showed IU to be in the double bonus BEFORE Watford missed the front end of a one-and-one with a minute to go? What's up with that?
  • HoosierSmitty
    Agreed here. To suggest the refs stole a game from us is laughable. To take it further, I saw some "bad" calls called on Illinois as well. I know it looked one-sided, but we do commit a large amount of silly fouls.

    We had plenty of wide open 3s that we missed, did not convert on FTs, and just made poor decisions down the stretch. That's what cost us at the end of the game.
  • HoosierSmitty
    My patience is wearing thin. If you're good enough to lead an entire game, then you should win the game.

    If you don't pull it off, then it falls on the coach. It's time Crean starts to take responsibility for his coaching or lack thereof.

    How in the world can you explain Hulls/Moore playing 40 minutes while Dumes/Elston only play 29 minutes? Yes, Jordan had a good first half - offensively - and Moore hit a 3. But defensively, really? Are you telling me that Devan Dumes and Derek Elston don't know how to play defensive and can't provide match up issues on offense. I just don't get it. I really don't.

    I'm tired of hearing our own coach make the same excuses night in and night out. We're young, we don't have four year starters, we're inexperienced. I get it. We all get it. But you know what. It is a coach's job to put all that aside and say "We are good and we're not going to make excuses, we're going to go out and succeed."

    Crean has built in excuses for every failure. When you coach like you don't expect to win, this is the result. Will it ever end? It's not like next year's class is going to get us over the hump.
  • cooper
    Good:
    1) The first half was nice to watch. It was actually a dribble drive offense.
    2) Rivers drove and drew fouls or was able to kick the ball out for open shots. Really liked when they put him in the post and he passed out of it for open shots
    3) Hulls did a nice job early hitting open shots.
    4) Capo did a nice job on D
    5) VJ was just ok

    Bad
    1) Moore on the court
    2) Hulls and Moore guarding the other teams best scorer
    3) Hulls absolutely cannot play transition D, he stands there trying to draw a charge way too early and they go right by him.
    4) Driving under the basket and turning it over. its where the majority of the TO come from
    5) No press
    6) No adjustment when they started coming back
    7) For some reason they got away from Rivers driving to the hoop in the 2nd half.
    8) a ton of just stupid fouls... there were some bad calls but a majority were just dumb fouls and players have to learn to play how the game is being called
    9) No Elston
    10) Who plays and how much time they get:
    I have no idea how this team decides who is going to play in a game. It would seem to be its done by how hard people play in practice. Anyone who has coached before knows there is some harm in doing it this way. Clearly, someone like Moore plays very hard in practice. It would appear by how the minutes are allocated that Elston is not a great practice player. Some guys just struggle to bring it when a game isn't being played. With that said he needs more minutes. You cant expect him to be confident when he barely plays. As far as Hulls is concerned, he should be given minutes like he is Roth. When Hulls is hitting shots leave him in, when/if he goes cold take him out and give him backup minutes.
  • Neil_Reed
    I did enjoy the multiple fits thrown by Bruce Weber. Especially the one where he literally had to be sat down by his assistant coaches and continued to bounce/convulse like a 5 year old.
  • JerryCT
    I think we saw some good news last night:

    1) Rivers can in fact hit a foul shot and even a short jumper
    2) Watford , IMO, played his best B10 game virtually shutting down Davis
    3) Capo seems to be getting better in the game situations

    I am concerned about our substitutions and allocation of minutes. Here is why.

    1) Elston has the feet , IMO, to guard smaller men
    2) Hulls and Moore donot have the strength or height to guard bigger atheletic men
    3) McCamey and RIchardson , big guards, ( w tisdale ) beat us
    4) But Hulls and Moore played again more than 40mins .........a virtual entire game

    When Hulls/Rivers are in the game we have only one hard driver in Rivers. When the drive is halted he has no "outlet" driver who can intiate an immediate additional attack..............unless Dumes plays with him at the same time. I hope we reallocate minutes to Elston and Dumes when we face scoring guards like IL had
  • marsh21
    I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised. He doesn't get the playing time and hasn't fit well within Crean's style of offense. It would be a loss for sure but he's a better player than what we are seeing and might do better in another style/coach.
  • Druid
    One question I have is why did we not bring in one of our 7 footers to counter Tisdale? It was obvious with his 27 points that we weren't getting it done with TP or Capo on him. So why not put in a big to at least wear him down?
  • IUonetwo
    Because Jobe is notorious for fouling. We would just be sending Tisdale to the line even more.
  • Druid
    It seems to me that Tom P. is notorious for fouling also so what would be the difference? And with Jobe or Muniru the height difference would be eliminated.
  • Taskmaster75
    To be fair, the officials just wouldn't let Pritchard play defense. That was just godawful. He touches Tisdale and they blow the whistle. Most of the fouls he got weren't his fault.
  • HoosierSmitty
    Tisdale is more versatile and they can move him outside. He's not a traditional post player. I don't think Tijan or Bawa could have stayed with him.

    However, it would have been an interesting matchup. Maybe Tijan could have muscled him up a few times and made him think twice about his decisions.
  • aceman07
    AND HOW CAN A HOME GROWN INDIANA BOY GO THE LINE WITH LESS THAN THREE MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME AND MISS TWO FREE THROWS??? COME ON ELSTON!!! I'VE BEEN A DE SUPPORTER ALL YEAR, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!
  • aceman07
    Despite all the positives I am really disappointed! I told my old man before the game that I thought IU would come back from the loss to OSU and show they were an improving team by playing well against the Illini last night and I was close! 19 Points in the second half and once again we blow a game where we led the entire game! It hurts because the one thing you can coach is mental toughness and we don't seem to be coaching it. I think CTC is coaching skills and awareness and fundamentals because in his two years the team has obviously improved but why, especially at this point in the season, can't he coach some freaking toughness into these guys? They are mentally and emotionally weak at the end of games and it costs them big! I have not agreed with the statements about his incessant clapping and smiling to the point but I'm beginning to think that this strategy is backfiring on him because his team is weak!
  • You can't coach toughness, it's just something ingrained in players. Either you have or you don't. You can get a guy to play tougher for stretches, but you'll most likely revert to your true self/style of play.
  • aceman07
    It might be different in baseball but I coached for years and it was very possible to teach kids how to be tougher and how to play to win instead of playing not to lose. You do that by working them in tough situations under stress and creating an atmosphere where winning is expected! To me, watching this team so far this year, it appears as if they don't expect to win, ever! They celebrate each victory like they've just won the Super Bowl and when they have a lead they tighten up and play to maintain a lead instead of extending it. That's what I mean by coaching toughness. It's possible to coach a team to the point where winning is an attitude and you don't choke. We could be down a run in the bottom of the seventh inning and I never felt like were going to lose because the atmosphere of the program was that we were always going to win, so more times than not, we came back and won the game. The culture of winning also made it easy for us to put games away when we took a lead. I just don't see any of that in these guys and I don't understand why it can't be brought out of them. Surely most of them played for winning programs in high school so they should be used to that winning culture.
  • Pride
    No go to guy yet. Not sure why Elston does not play more, hear he will leave at the end of year (hope not) I'm sure he is tired of bench though. Love Tom Crean though, do not understand his substitution patterns, they will get it at some point. Go IU!
  • MikeinNC
    I hate losing to Illinois even more than to Purdue.
  • MillaRed
    The offiating crew was a complete joke. At least five absolute phantom calls and I'm leaning toward ten. IU seems to find these crews that are a complete mess. They just didn't allow any flow to the game.

    Once again, not real impressed with Crean. Weber drew up a few things in the end to pull it out and we looked outcoached.
  • slyslim
    I wished that I would of quit watching after the first half, as I was almost giddy with our guys energy & execution.
    Disappointed with the ref crew too, but more by our shot selection in the second half as if we forget what was doing so well in the first half.
    Did you see the great bighead poster of Weber dressed as a crying baby, Classic!!!
  • Kelin Blab
    As agressive as Indiana was going to the basket, surely a 20+ F/T difference should not have happened.

    + I liked the game to game improvement, played with more energy to start the game.
    + Finished the 1st half strong.
    + As Dakich stated, didn't play with the same urgency in the 2nd half...or as I would say, NO KILLERS on the team yet. You have a team down at home, you put them away, we don't know how to do that yet.
    + VJ3 has some 'swag' about his game that I like.
    + I discovered what is wrong with JR's shot....his off hand is in the wrong place, it is virtually on top of the ball where he is literally blocking his own shot. It makes his shots and F/T's flat.
    + I liked how "cool breeze" worked in the post tonite. Christian is going to be hard to handle next year, super super upside. Needs to board it more.
    + Dissapointed the crowd didn't bring out the Er-ic Gor-don chant, Weber loves that one....
  • coachv
    rivers' other technique issue is his elbow is too far under the ball when he shoots
  • BigRed3588
    I'd have to agree 100% with the assessment Kelin. It seemed like we were playing not to lose the game as opposed to playing to win throughout the second half. I would have really liked to see VJ3 step it up down the stretch because I feel like he's gonna have to be the guy to take charge in situations like tonights game. Granted, he did seem to be trying there at the end, but he was pretty much unheard of for the first 15 minutes of the second.

    P.S. I read on another post that Elston was thinking about leaving at the end of the season. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this?
  • ldiu
    It would be hard to blame Elston if he did transfer. He played 10 minutes last night and had 6 rebounds. Bob C. played 21 minutes with 4 rebounds and Pritchard played 19 minutes with 3.
    Elston is also a better scorer and moves better.

    Do you think that being a Sampson recruit and not a Crean recruit hurts him? Sure hope not.
  • BigRed3588
    I mean, Illinois took 39 free throws and IU took 18. Was there really that much of a discrepancy between the number of fouls committed by the two teams? I think not. I certainly hope we don't see any more of that crew around Assembly Hall this year
  • BigRed3588
    You may not be here to complain about the refs, but I will. That was an atrociously officiated game, and I saw multiple calls I wasn't happy with. Just as an example, I saw two fouls called on Rivers that were clear blocks. Not to mention the fact that the refs wouldn't let Pritchard play defense
  • aceman07
    I agree with you completely. With about three minutes to go I looked at my brother-in-law and told him that if we checked the box score I bet the fouls would be about 30-15 favoring Illinois and it turned out 28-17 so I was close. That should not happen when you are at HOME!!!
  • dale11
    The officiating wasn't good but the refs weren't the ones who missed 8 free throws.
  • illinoishoosier
    You cant expect any team to shoot 100% from the foul line. It's not going to happen. You can expect refs in the big ten to anticipate some contact from the frontcourt players. This wasn't the case last night. Any time someone touched Tisdale he got the foul call. How else do you teach someone 5 inches shorter to guard someone? I can't blame this only on the free throws missed. They played tough and hard and had this game taken from them!
  • iudrew22
    I was going to post those same thoughts!

    Tisdale earned an Oscar tonight! There is no way that someone can tell me that all the tick-tack fouls called on TP and Capo were legitimate D1 foul calls! The guards for U of I were allowed more contact while we were dribbling than most of those calls.

    Sure IU scored 19 pts in the second half, Hulls pulled a dissappearing act in the second half and we missed some HUGE free throws...but this is the first game in a LONG time that I felt was taken from IU by the refs...usually it is their own fault or that the other team is better...imo...not the case tonight
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