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]]> By: paynee http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43623 paynee Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:32:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43623 crean please scrap the three guard off its not work please crean please scrap the three guard off its not work please

]]> By: Deon is crazy http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43356 Deon is crazy Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:26:43 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43356 WOW deon. go back to west lafayette! and celebrate getting to the elite 8!! congrats on having a team thats not going anywhere. WOW deon. go back to west lafayette! and celebrate getting to the elite 8!! congrats on having a team thats not going anywhere.

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43355 Kelin Blab Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:13:27 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43355 Deon not sure about some of your points but hopefully this will help....<br><br>Selby using the IU fanbase for his twitter account....the kid came to visit, his family enjoyed the visit etc. As far as I know twitter isn't a Selby sponsor so what is his motivation?<br><br>The black and gold boys recruiting has paid off to what? still NO championships and Indiana's Mr. Basketball continues to ignore them....since 1991. Love Painter but he is in a battle recruiting within this state and he knows it....<br><br>YOu can't expect 5 games in Tom Coverdale or Steve Alford.....in fact as a frosh Coverdale didn't even play....post again the junior and senior year of Hulls and Elston<br><br>IU big men are too nice....not true, I saw Derek Elston after a game grab a squirrel out of a tree, bite its head off, and throw the carcus at an old lady. He did his own tatoo with a steak knife and sharpee. To say these guys are too nice has nothing to do with their basketball skills, do you want Bud Mackey to play the post for us? Deon not sure about some of your points but hopefully this will help….

Selby using the IU fanbase for his twitter account….the kid came to visit, his family enjoyed the visit etc. As far as I know twitter isn't a Selby sponsor so what is his motivation?

The black and gold boys recruiting has paid off to what? still NO championships and Indiana's Mr. Basketball continues to ignore them….since 1991. Love Painter but he is in a battle recruiting within this state and he knows it….

YOu can't expect 5 games in Tom Coverdale or Steve Alford…..in fact as a frosh Coverdale didn't even play….post again the junior and senior year of Hulls and Elston

IU big men are too nice….not true, I saw Derek Elston after a game grab a squirrel out of a tree, bite its head off, and throw the carcus at an old lady. He did his own tatoo with a steak knife and sharpee. To say these guys are too nice has nothing to do with their basketball skills, do you want Bud Mackey to play the post for us?

]]> By: CreamandCrimson http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43315 CreamandCrimson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:09:32 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43315 You are absolutely right. You need at least two or three guys capable of being a defensive presence in the paint and you need big men that can control the glass. <br><br>My point is that Tom Crean isn't going to have a big man be the focal point of his offense. I think CO's point was that this recruiting class was "fool's gold" because it lacked a talented center. I don't agree and I believe that, on average, there are only 5-10 difference making centers that come out of high school every year. You're right though, the rebounding from the interior guys has to be better. You are absolutely right. You need at least two or three guys capable of being a defensive presence in the paint and you need big men that can control the glass.

My point is that Tom Crean isn't going to have a big man be the focal point of his offense. I think CO's point was that this recruiting class was “fool's gold” because it lacked a talented center. I don't agree and I believe that, on average, there are only 5-10 difference making centers that come out of high school every year. You're right though, the rebounding from the interior guys has to be better.

]]> By: Deon Mitchell http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43314 Deon Mitchell Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:08:05 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43314 In order to play Division 1 bball you should be able to play defense and make LAYUPS.. I blame CTC for the lack of direction of the team. No true set plays for the young guys confidence. The only confidence this group is getting is game time experience. If you wanna play fast expect turnovers if you are playing young inexperience ball handlers then expect turnovers .<br><br>I just feel like speaking my mind...<br><br>Selby is using IU fanbase for his TWitteR account the guy is headed to Syracuse (a baltimore guy top point guard ummm) Carmelo ( Baltimore) Johnny Flynn (top drafted point guard) If he doesnt commit to Syracuse get at me I will pay YOU money. <br><br>Umm the black and gold boys recruited strictly Indiana boys and its paying off big time on the exposure level. IU is cursed until they recognized the General in the correct fashion.. CURSEDDD <br><br>My favorite floor leaders all have come from the STATE Of INDIANA - Tom Coverdale, Alford, and Armon Bassett. <br><br>IU big man are too nice. The kind of guys that will pick up the other player after they foul them. lol man I seen better talent at the HPER. I'm done In order to play Division 1 bball you should be able to play defense and make LAYUPS.. I blame CTC for the lack of direction of the team. No true set plays for the young guys confidence. The only confidence this group is getting is game time experience. If you wanna play fast expect turnovers if you are playing young inexperience ball handlers then expect turnovers .

I just feel like speaking my mind…

Selby is using IU fanbase for his TWitteR account the guy is headed to Syracuse (a baltimore guy top point guard ummm) Carmelo ( Baltimore) Johnny Flynn (top drafted point guard) If he doesnt commit to Syracuse get at me I will pay YOU money.

Umm the black and gold boys recruited strictly Indiana boys and its paying off big time on the exposure level. IU is cursed until they recognized the General in the correct fashion.. CURSEDDD

My favorite floor leaders all have come from the STATE Of INDIANA – Tom Coverdale, Alford, and Armon Bassett.

IU big man are too nice. The kind of guys that will pick up the other player after they foul them. lol man I seen better talent at the HPER. I'm done

]]> By: Deon is crazy http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43621 Deon is crazy Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:26:43 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43621 WOW deon. go back to west lafayette! and celebrate getting to the elite 8!! congrats on having a team thats not going anywhere. WOW deon. go back to west lafayette! and celebrate getting to the elite 8!! congrats on having a team thats not going anywhere.

]]> By: Alex http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43313 Alex Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:21:01 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43313 That may be true, but at the same time, you still need a strong rebounder who can also block shots from time to time. The problem right now is that this team doesn't have that. It's not anybody's fault, it's just reality. <br><br>Both Capobianco and Bawa have the potential to develop, but I believe Crean was at least hoping to get solid rebounding contributions out of Pritchard. He hasn't to this point. Right now Elston and Watford are the best rebounders IU has and they are both freshmen. That may be true, but at the same time, you still need a strong rebounder who can also block shots from time to time. The problem right now is that this team doesn't have that. It's not anybody's fault, it's just reality.

Both Capobianco and Bawa have the potential to develop, but I believe Crean was at least hoping to get solid rebounding contributions out of Pritchard. He hasn't to this point. Right now Elston and Watford are the best rebounders IU has and they are both freshmen.

]]> By: CreamandCrimson http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43312 CreamandCrimson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:57:27 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43312 Completely agree. The system doesn't need to be changed. People need to realize that Tom Crean doesn't have the full complement of weapons he wants yet, one recruiting class isn't going to fix all of our personnel issues. <br>I think Coach Crean is ready to shorten his bench a little bit and set some rotations. Right now, can anyone honestly say that Devan Dumes and Tom Pritchard have "earned" their spots. It will be interesting who plays and how much they play on Saturday. This "restoration project" includes a new offense and it takes time and personnel to get it right. When it's working, it will be a big problem for the Big Ten. Completely agree. The system doesn't need to be changed. People need to realize that Tom Crean doesn't have the full complement of weapons he wants yet, one recruiting class isn't going to fix all of our personnel issues.
I think Coach Crean is ready to shorten his bench a little bit and set some rotations. Right now, can anyone honestly say that Devan Dumes and Tom Pritchard have “earned” their spots. It will be interesting who plays and how much they play on Saturday. This “restoration project” includes a new offense and it takes time and personnel to get it right. When it's working, it will be a big problem for the Big Ten.

]]> By: CreamandCrimson http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43311 CreamandCrimson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:50:00 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43311 I understand what you are saying, "Get a talented big man and the rest will follow." Problem is, college basketball is no longer a big man's game. If you are going to win, you have to have good guard play. There simply are not very many "true big men, with talent" out there. I think it would really help if Zeller or Plumlee commit to the Hoosiers but that won't change the way Tom Crean wants his teams to play. <br>If you are looking for a team to run their offense through a big man in the post, look elsewhere. Tom Crean's teams are always going to be guard oriented. I understand what you are saying, “Get a talented big man and the rest will follow.” Problem is, college basketball is no longer a big man's game. If you are going to win, you have to have good guard play. There simply are not very many “true big men, with talent” out there. I think it would really help if Zeller or Plumlee commit to the Hoosiers but that won't change the way Tom Crean wants his teams to play.
If you are looking for a team to run their offense through a big man in the post, look elsewhere. Tom Crean's teams are always going to be guard oriented.

]]> By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43310 JerryCT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:21 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43310 "up tempo" ...........what does that really mean ? Nothing wrong with a break or quick shot when its there but when its not there it makes no sense. Knight whipped teams like this regularly. Everybody today gets back on D.<br><br>The break starts with defense and rebounding which we donot have. We need 1) a press to create the necessary D and/or 2) 1/2 court sets that get open shots not the contested ones we now take “up tempo” ………..what does that really mean ? Nothing wrong with a break or quick shot when its there but when its not there it makes no sense. Knight whipped teams like this regularly. Everybody today gets back on D.

The break starts with defense and rebounding which we donot have. We need 1) a press to create the necessary D and/or 2) 1/2 court sets that get open shots not the contested ones we now take

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43307 Kelin Blab Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:00:55 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43307 Sammy I agree, this offense fits this team and with the type of players coming in for the next two classes, going to a slower pace style would be a distaster. J.Rivers left G'Town because of the offense. I like some motion type things, but I also like a concept type of offense as well. I heard Crean say last night they may open it up even more and do more pressing etc. Sammy I agree, this offense fits this team and with the type of players coming in for the next two classes, going to a slower pace style would be a distaster. J.Rivers left G'Town because of the offense. I like some motion type things, but I also like a concept type of offense as well. I heard Crean say last night they may open it up even more and do more pressing etc.

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43619 Kelin Blab Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:13:27 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43619 Deon not sure about some of your points but hopefully this will help....<br><br>Selby using the IU fanbase for his twitter account....the kid came to visit, his family enjoyed the visit etc. As far as I know twitter isn't a Selby sponsor so what is his motivation?<br><br>The black and gold boys recruiting has paid off to what? still NO championships and Indiana's Mr. Basketball continues to ignore them....since 1991. Love Painter but he is in a battle recruiting within this state and he knows it....<br><br>YOu can't expect 5 games in Tom Coverdale or Steve Alford.....in fact as a frosh Coverdale didn't even play....post again the junior and senior year of Hulls and Elston<br><br>IU big men are too nice....not true, I saw Derek Elston after a game grab a squirrel out of a tree, bite its head off, and throw the carcus at an old lady. He did his own tatoo with a steak knife and sharpee. To say these guys are too nice has nothing to do with their basketball skills, do you want Bud Mackey to play the post for us? Deon not sure about some of your points but hopefully this will help….

Selby using the IU fanbase for his twitter account….the kid came to visit, his family enjoyed the visit etc. As far as I know twitter isn't a Selby sponsor so what is his motivation?

The black and gold boys recruiting has paid off to what? still NO championships and Indiana's Mr. Basketball continues to ignore them….since 1991. Love Painter but he is in a battle recruiting within this state and he knows it….

YOu can't expect 5 games in Tom Coverdale or Steve Alford…..in fact as a frosh Coverdale didn't even play….post again the junior and senior year of Hulls and Elston

IU big men are too nice….not true, I saw Derek Elston after a game grab a squirrel out of a tree, bite its head off, and throw the carcus at an old lady. He did his own tatoo with a steak knife and sharpee. To say these guys are too nice has nothing to do with their basketball skills, do you want Bud Mackey to play the post for us?

]]> By: CreamandCrimson http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43581 CreamandCrimson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:32 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43581 You are absolutely right. You need at least two or three guys capable of being a defensive presence in the paint and you need big men that can control the glass. <br><br>My point is that Tom Crean isn't going to have a big man be the focal point of his offense. I think CO's point was that this recruiting class was "fool's gold" because it lacked a talented center. I don't agree and I believe that, on average, there are only 5-10 difference making centers that come out of high school every year. You're right though, the rebounding from the interior guys has to be better. You are absolutely right. You need at least two or three guys capable of being a defensive presence in the paint and you need big men that can control the glass.

My point is that Tom Crean isn't going to have a big man be the focal point of his offense. I think CO's point was that this recruiting class was “fool's gold” because it lacked a talented center. I don't agree and I believe that, on average, there are only 5-10 difference making centers that come out of high school every year. You're right though, the rebounding from the interior guys has to be better.

]]> By: Deon Mitchell http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43616 Deon Mitchell Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:08:05 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43616 In order to play Division 1 bball you should be able to play defense and make LAYUPS.. I blame CTC for the lack of direction of the team. No true set plays for the young guys confidence. The only confidence this group is getting is game time experience. If you wanna play fast expect turnovers if you are playing young inexperience ball handlers then expect turnovers .<br><br>I just feel like speaking my mind...<br><br>Selby is using IU fanbase for his TWitteR account the guy is headed to Syracuse (a baltimore guy top point guard ummm) Carmelo ( Baltimore) Johnny Flynn (top drafted point guard) If he doesnt commit to Syracuse get at me I will pay YOU money. <br><br>Umm the black and gold boys recruited strictly Indiana boys and its paying off big time on the exposure level. IU is cursed until they recognized the General in the correct fashion.. CURSEDDD <br><br>My favorite floor leaders all have come from the STATE Of INDIANA - Tom Coverdale, Alford, and Armon Bassett. <br><br>IU big man are too nice. The kind of guys that will pick up the other player after they foul them. lol man I seen better talent at the HPER. I'm done In order to play Division 1 bball you should be able to play defense and make LAYUPS.. I blame CTC for the lack of direction of the team. No true set plays for the young guys confidence. The only confidence this group is getting is game time experience. If you wanna play fast expect turnovers if you are playing young inexperience ball handlers then expect turnovers .

I just feel like speaking my mind…

Selby is using IU fanbase for his TWitteR account the guy is headed to Syracuse (a baltimore guy top point guard ummm) Carmelo ( Baltimore) Johnny Flynn (top drafted point guard) If he doesnt commit to Syracuse get at me I will pay YOU money.

Umm the black and gold boys recruited strictly Indiana boys and its paying off big time on the exposure level. IU is cursed until they recognized the General in the correct fashion.. CURSEDDD

My favorite floor leaders all have come from the STATE Of INDIANA – Tom Coverdale, Alford, and Armon Bassett.

IU big man are too nice. The kind of guys that will pick up the other player after they foul them. lol man I seen better talent at the HPER. I'm done

]]> By: Alex http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43578 Alex Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:21:01 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43578 That may be true, but at the same time, you still need a strong rebounder who can also block shots from time to time. The problem right now is that this team doesn't have that. It's not anybody's fault, it's just reality. <br><br>Both Capobianco and Bawa have the potential to develop, but I believe Crean was at least hoping to get solid rebounding contributions out of Pritchard. He hasn't to this point. Right now Elston and Watford are the best rebounders IU has and they are both freshmen. That may be true, but at the same time, you still need a strong rebounder who can also block shots from time to time. The problem right now is that this team doesn't have that. It's not anybody's fault, it's just reality.

Both Capobianco and Bawa have the potential to develop, but I believe Crean was at least hoping to get solid rebounding contributions out of Pritchard. He hasn't to this point. Right now Elston and Watford are the best rebounders IU has and they are both freshmen.

]]> By: CreamandCrimson http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43613 CreamandCrimson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:57:27 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43613 Completely agree. The system doesn't need to be changed. People need to realize that Tom Crean doesn't have the full complement of weapons he wants yet, one recruiting class isn't going to fix all of our personnel issues. <br>I think Coach Crean is ready to shorten his bench a little bit and set some rotations. Right now, can anyone honestly say that Devan Dumes and Tom Pritchard have "earned" their spots. It will be interesting who plays and how much they play on Saturday. This "restoration project" includes a new offense and it takes time and personnel to get it right. When it's working, it will be a big problem for the Big Ten. Completely agree. The system doesn't need to be changed. People need to realize that Tom Crean doesn't have the full complement of weapons he wants yet, one recruiting class isn't going to fix all of our personnel issues.
I think Coach Crean is ready to shorten his bench a little bit and set some rotations. Right now, can anyone honestly say that Devan Dumes and Tom Pritchard have “earned” their spots. It will be interesting who plays and how much they play on Saturday. This “restoration project” includes a new offense and it takes time and personnel to get it right. When it's working, it will be a big problem for the Big Ten.

]]> By: CreamandCrimson http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43577 CreamandCrimson Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:50:00 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43577 I understand what you are saying, "Get a talented big man and the rest will follow." Problem is, college basketball is no longer a big man's game. If you are going to win, you have to have good guard play. There simply are not very many "true big men, with talent" out there. I think it would really help if Zeller or Plumlee commit to the Hoosiers but that won't change the way Tom Crean wants his teams to play. <br>If you are looking for a team to run their offense through a big man in the post, look elsewhere. Tom Crean's teams are always going to be guard oriented. I understand what you are saying, “Get a talented big man and the rest will follow.” Problem is, college basketball is no longer a big man's game. If you are going to win, you have to have good guard play. There simply are not very many “true big men, with talent” out there. I think it would really help if Zeller or Plumlee commit to the Hoosiers but that won't change the way Tom Crean wants his teams to play.
If you are looking for a team to run their offense through a big man in the post, look elsewhere. Tom Crean's teams are always going to be guard oriented.

]]> By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43615 JerryCT Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:43:21 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43615 "up tempo" ...........what does that really mean ? Nothing wrong with a break or quick shot when its there but when its not there it makes no sense. Knight whipped teams like this regularly. Everybody today gets back on D.<br><br>The break starts with defense and rebounding which we donot have. We need 1) a press to create the necessary D and/or 2) 1/2 court sets that get open shots not the contested ones we now take “up tempo” ………..what does that really mean ? Nothing wrong with a break or quick shot when its there but when its not there it makes no sense. Knight whipped teams like this regularly. Everybody today gets back on D.

The break starts with defense and rebounding which we donot have. We need 1) a press to create the necessary D and/or 2) 1/2 court sets that get open shots not the contested ones we now take

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/11/23/settling-in-for-the-long-haul/comment-page-2/#comment-43611 Kelin Blab Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:00:55 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=4426#comment-43611 Sammy I agree, this offense fits this team and with the type of players coming in for the next two classes, going to a slower pace style would be a distaster. J.Rivers left G'Town because of the offense. I like some motion type things, but I also like a concept type of offense as well. I heard Crean say last night they may open it up even more and do more pressing etc. Sammy I agree, this offense fits this team and with the type of players coming in for the next two classes, going to a slower pace style would be a distaster. J.Rivers left G'Town because of the offense. I like some motion type things, but I also like a concept type of offense as well. I heard Crean say last night they may open it up even more and do more pressing etc.

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