Open Thread: Who’s your five?

  • 09/29/2009 12:16 pm in

When all else fails, the open thread is the way to go, boys and girls. Many of you are clamoring for us to begin previewing the upcoming season and we’ll get to that soon enough. (Patience!) In the meantime, we’ve prepared the following homework assignment for you to complete in the comments. Don’t forget to show your work.

+ Who’s your five: Which five Hoosiers will be on the floor when the season tips off against the mighty Bisons of Howard? And perhaps more importantly, what does the starting five look like by the time the Big Ten season rolls around on December 31?

+ It’s not about who starts, it’s about who finishes: With the game on the line, who will be on the floor?

+ Odd man out:  By our count, minutes will be at a premium this season. Which players will be regulars in the rotation and who will be the odd man (or men) out?

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  • tberry

    Same old, same old stuff!!

    When you run out of ideas it always come back to this question because fans can talk for hours about the same-thing that many, many past posts have asked. BOOOOOORING!!!

  • JerryCT

    5 : I think Rivers, Dumes, VJ3, TP and Watford

    Odd Man: I think Elston and Capo get PT to protect Watford and TP from fouling out so they are in the rotation. Creek rotates w VJ3 and Dumes, Hulls w VJ3 while Dumes and Rivers stay on the floor with him at first. Thus, Roth , Bawa fight to find situations to play. When we fall behind Roth comes in but if he does not light it up he is back on the pine.

    Finishes: I donot think my starting lineup changes by the end of the year. I donot foresee Creek developing enough defense to start over Dumes or VJ3……..and defense will be our major weakness. Taber was our steals leader last year and our top 6 in 2008 had roughly as many or more than Taber.

  • JerryCT

    I also think Rivers should max out his PT as I think he will have the greatest impact followed by Dumes and/or VJ3. I see us driving & dishing to set up Watford and TP so this makes Dumes a key component of the offense .

  • Name

    Come on!!!! We have already talked about this topic on another thread recently. Get a new and better topic. There's got to be other things to talk about.

    How about you start a thread on in state kids for class of 2011 and 2012 that we must get.
    just an idea.

  • GFDave

    Starting Five (Probably Different than the last time I did this): Rivers, Dumes, VJIII, Watford, TP

    For the rest of the season I think there will be an incredible number of different lineups. I think Crean will reward/discipline his players' game performance and practice habits. Also, the freshmen will be on the game roller coaster where one game they're all B10 and the next game they stink up the joint.

    At the end of the season I see Creek, Hulls and Elston getting a lot of action at the expense of Dumes, TP and VJIII. Jobe will be strictly garbage time. I hope Bawa gets consistent minutes so he can grow, but if he doesn't, redshirt him. Roth's and Capo's playing time will be limited and very situational.

  • Ryan_T

    Rivers, Dumes, VJ3, Watford, Tommy P.

    First set of subs in: Creek for Dumes, Elston for Watford

  • dale11

    Me. I'd agree with everyone else with Rivers, Dumes, Jones, Waftford, and Pritchard. However I could see Creek taking over Dumes's starting spot by the time the big 10 season rolls around.

  • In which post did we ask for this?

  • I'll be there.

  • CreamandCrimson

    Starting Five: I am going with Rivers, VJIII, Dumes, Watford and Pritchard
    Big Ten Starting Five: Rivers, VJIII, Creek, Watford and Pritchard
    Finishing: Rivers, VJIII, Creek, Watford and Elston (this is by the end of the season. Obviously, the freshman won't be ready to be in at the end of the game at the start of the year.)
    Odd Men Out: Moore and Finkelmeier will see reduced roles. I think Moore might play a little bit but not much. Roth will not see the floor unless he is hot. Tijan Jobe won't get much time. The situations he played in last year will now go to Bawa Muniru.

  • Kelin Blab

    My Five on the Floor to start:
    G Rivers
    G Dumes–I think he will have big year
    G VJIII — will be match up problems for a lot of people
    F D. Elston — why he starts?? I think physically he is more ready than wateford and he hits the boards….
    F Wateford — why he starts?? I don't think TP gets into Crean shape and I think Crean will take advantage of the versatility wateford has to offer……

    With the game on the line who will be on the floor?
    G Rivers or hulls
    G Dumes or Creek
    G VJ 3 or Creek
    F Wateford or Elston
    F TP or Bobby C (bobby c is going to play this year, no question in my mind)

    Odd man out this year……
    1. Matt 'freakin' Roth – he will get minutes but be the designated zone buster on occasion
    2. Bawa – will get limited time
    3. Tijan – in case of emergency

  • Hardwood83

    No reason to post my list- I have the same starting & big 10 line-up as you. But I'm not sure Elston will be the post and I think (hope?) Muniru will earn some meaningful minutes.

  • JJ

    To start off the season the line up will look like this: Rivers, Dumes, Jones III, Watford, Pritchard.
    To start off the B10 I will same the same line-up, with Creek being the 1st off the bench followed by Elston, and Hulls.
    Capobianco & Bawa will get some minutes.
    I believe the odd men out will be: Moore will not see as much playing time this year, Roth will lose minutes because he is 3 point specialist only, and Jobe, and lets be honest he didn’t play much last year and now this year we have better talent.

  • Disco_Briscoe

    PG – Rivers, SG/6 – Dumes/Jones, SF – Creek, PF – Watford, C – Pritchard…7 – Elston, 8 – Hulls, 9 – Copo, 10 – Bawa…Very flexible lineup with interchanging positions/parts…

  • DJ5

    Start of season: VJIII, Dumes, Rivers, Watford, Pritchard
    End of season: VJIII, Rivers, Watford, Creek, Elston

    I think CTC will use 10 guys consistently, finishing with those 5 plus Hulls running some point, Dumes adding some energy/scoring, and Capo/Pritchard adding size and giving up some fouls

    Odd Man Out: Most think it will be Roth, but he's in my mix of 10 that I think will play. I still think he's our best shooter and he has a year of experience under his belt. I don't see CTC burying a guy who can put up double digits between TV timeouts. My odd man out is Dumes. I think he will start at the beginning and contribute at the end, but as the season moves along, I see CTC looking towards 10/11 and playing those guys more. I expect IU to be .500, and if that's the case, most of the wins will come early and if the losses pile up, the young guys will play. I hope I am wrong.

  • Ryan_T

    Not to be the grammar police, but its “Watford” and not “Wateford.” I constantly see people misspell his name on here.

    🙂

  • BFowler

    Intersting side note: 2 men on Howard's roster played at Pike High School.

    Based on what Coach Crean has been saying all sumer, I do not know how Rivers and VJ III do not start. I would not be surprised to see Dumes off the bench as I think he would be a good spark off the bench. Also, the coaches have been talking up Creek as a stud, and many on this message board have been touting him as the best prospect. Now, the argument might be he was not here all summer, but talent is talent. I think Watford is all but penciled into one forward spot and Pritchard will start in the middle. So my 5: Rivers, VJ III, Creek, Watford, and Pritchard.

    Game on the line: Rivers (for ball handling and defense), Dumes (defense and shooting), VJ III (scoring in a variety of ways), Pritchard (big body – screens, rebounding, experience in B10), and Elston (screening, rebounding, versatility).

    Odd men out (among those who got playing time): Moore, Finkelmeier, and Roth. I think the rotation will be, in the guard area, 5 players primarily rotating among the 3 spots (Rivers, Creek, VJ III, Dumes, and Hulls), and in the front court, Pritchard, Watford, Elston, and Capobianco are the main rotation. The great unknown is Bawa, what is he? If he has some skills he may be in the rotation, if not, he will be warming a spot next to Jobe.

  • BFowler

    Intersting side note: 2 men on Howard's roster played at Pike High School.

    Based on what Coach Crean has been saying all sumer, I do not know how Rivers and VJ III do not start. I would not be surprised to see Dumes off the bench as I think he would be a good spark off the bench. Also, the coaches have been talking up Creek as a stud, and many on this message board have been touting him as the best prospect. Now, the argument might be he was not here all summer, but talent is talent. I think Watford is all but penciled into one forward spot and Pritchard will start in the middle. So my 5: Rivers, VJ III, Creek, Watford, and Pritchard.

    Game on the line: Rivers (for ball handling and defense), Dumes (defense and shooting), VJ III (scoring in a variety of ways), Pritchard (big body – screens, rebounding, experience in B10), and Elston (screening, rebounding, versatility).

    Odd men out (among those who got playing time): Moore, Finkelmeier, and Roth. I think the rotation will be, in the guard area, 5 players primarily rotating among the 3 spots (Rivers, Creek, VJ III, Dumes, and Hulls), and in the front court, Pritchard, Watford, Elston, and Capobianco are the main rotation. The great unknown is Bawa, what is he? If he has some skills he may be in the rotation, if not, he will be warming a spot next to Jobe.

  • Ryan_T

    When we play “bigger” teams (for example; Wisconsin), I believe that the starting lineup will be:

    Rivers, VJ3, Watford, Elston, Pritchard

    ^There's a lot of height in that lineup.

  • How about Shelby instead of Selby? That's another one.

  • GFDave

    I'm pretty sure you meant the reverse. Its Selby, not Shelby.

  • Rivers Dumes Watford Elston Pritchard

    End of season

    Rivers Creek Watford Elston Pritchard

  • I will be there

  • Right, I meant people are using “Shelby” rather than “Selby.” Which is, obviously, wrong.

  • Sallad

    Hoping to be there.

  • Mike

    Rivers, Jones, Creek, Elston, Capo
    Hulls will earn more minutes as the season progresses if the turnovers continue.

  • roninjeffersonville

    Lets just say the 5 star kid out of Baltimore. What's his name. ( ok people just a joke)

  • MillaRed

    SInce I agree with the popular Rivers, Dumes, VIII, Watford, TP lineup, I wanted to get some thoughts on a few things.

    Who guards the small forward with this line-up? If VIII's added size/strength give him more defensive ability he has the long arms to handle it. Dumes is too short. Rivers possibly but not sure I like it. This may be a shortcoming for us defensively with the better SF's to defend.

    We all talk about Watford's versatility, but honestly I think that's as a small forward. As a freshman power forward he will get pushed around a lot. As a 3 he creates mismatches. Looking forward to 2010 when TP is in his natural PF position with Capo & Bawa in the center position.

    I think the starting lineup changes every game. There are a lot of players that give you similar game. It makes sense to me to start as many as 8 different players this year for multiple reasons.

    More importantly, I think who finishes the game is of most importance. It's hard to measure that early, so by game 20 I go with Hulls, Rivers, VIII, Watford and Elston. If Dumes can stay more focused/less emotional and TP has better conditioning this could change.

    Finally, I realize the objective is still to win games. But getting these guys in the Big Ten grind is a big deal. That includes Bawa and Capo even if it's for a few 3 minute stretches. One of these two will really surprise us this year.

    Finally finally…….Matt Roth, if you are listening, I hope you accept our challenge of being the sniper every team needs. This dude lit up Ohio State for 29 as a frosh. I'm not giving up on him yet. If he gets hot, he seems to have the savvy to nail a 3 point FG for the win.

  • Deep in gaurds good. 3 gaurds on the floor bad. WE WILL NEVER WIN A BIG TEN WITH 3 GAURDS.

    PG – Rivers – brings experience and leadership, also our best defender
    SG – Creek – I think this kid is the real deal. He will be a starter and contribute
    SF – Watford – Our all around best player I'm sure, 6'7 swing man now thats the start
    to a big ten championship….he is a forward not a center…don't play him there
    PF – Eltson – I like him, I think he has potential but he will fight for minutes with Bobby C
    C – Pritchard – I would really like to see Bawa here and Tom at a starting PF, but I think Bawa is
    too raw for early contribution from what I here…in the furture though all these guys
    give us good depth in the front court
    team two

    PG – Hulls – This kid is going to do a lot of things with and with out the ball, as long as he can run
    the team, reduce turnovers, and make some great passes we won't need him to score
    SG – VJ3 – More of a point gaurd, but the next most talented player we have
    SF – Dumes – A guard but all small forwards were really used in my first string
    PF – Bobby C – He will play at both PF and C, I can see him contributing early
    C – Bawa – The 7 footer; we will see how good he is if he is cleared

    Roth – comes in at anytime for zone buster or big three, he will need to work on his defense to
    earn more consistant minutes

  • Deep in gaurds good. 3 gaurds on the floor bad. WE WILL NEVER WIN A BIG TEN WITH 3 GAURDS.

    PG – Rivers – brings experience and leadership, also our best defender
    SG – Creek – I think this kid is the real deal. He will be a starter and contribute
    SF – Watford – Our all around best player I'm sure, 6'7 swing man now thats the start
    to a big ten championship….he is a forward not a center…don't play him there
    PF – Eltson – I like him, I think he has potential but he will fight for minutes with Bobby C
    C – Pritchard – I would really like to see Bawa here and Tom at a starting PF, but I think Bawa is
    too raw for early contribution from what I here…in the furture though all these guys
    give us good depth in the front court
    team two

    PG – Hulls – This kid is going to do a lot of things with and with out the ball, as long as he can run
    the team, reduce turnovers, and make some great passes we won't need him to score
    SG – VJ3 – More of a point gaurd, but the next most talented player we have
    SF – Dumes – A guard but all small forwards were really used in my first string
    PF – Bobby C – He will play at both PF and C, I can see him contributing early
    C – Bawa – The 7 footer; we will see how good he is if he is cleared

    Roth – comes in at anytime for zone buster or big three, he will need to work on his defense to
    earn more consistant minutes