Scouting notes from Saturday’s Elite Camp

  • 08/30/2009 7:14 pm in

watford040909The following are notes submitted to Inside the Hall from someone that attended IU’s Elite Camp this past Saturday in Bloomington. It’s important to note that this information is not from anyone affiliated with the university. These notes have been slightly tweaked by yours truly.

+ By far the player most impressive on Saturday was Jordan Hulls. He is amazing at the pick-and-roll.  A former IU player that had never seen him play called him a stud. It will be really difficult to keep him off the court, so you could see a lot of Jeremiah Rivers and Hulls together because of their ball handling skills.

+ Maurice Creek is lights out.  He should average 12+ ppg as a freshman.  He can score from any place on the floor and is a solid rebounder.

+ Derek Elston is a beast.  He seems bigger than Tom Pritchard and has much more range.  He is also more athletic than I anticipated.  He could play 25-30 minutes a game.

+ Christian Watford (pictured) is very good.  He plays better in transition and is more of a three but will have to play the four on this team.

+ Seems like it’s going to be tough for Matt Roth, Bobby Capobianco and Bawa Muniru to get minutes.  Rivers, Creek, Hulls, Devan Dumes and Verdell Jones will eat up the minutes at guard.  Pritchard, Elston and Watford should play the four and five with the others playing when foul trouble arises.

+ Jeremiah Davis was probably the best all-around player there of the high school players.  He meshed well with Austin Etherington and Matt Carlino. Davis is extremely tough and took some licks. He also seemed to have a great relationship with the coaches.

+ J.P. Tokoto is very skilled, athletic and has a lot of upside. He had some good dunks and blocks, but will definitely have gain weight to play in the Big Ten.

+ Carlino might have been the fastest player there of the high school guys.  He is strong with his dribble and is really quick.  He makes good decisions and will be a solid college player.

+ Etherington is a very good shooter and if he develops a driving game he could be a poor man’s Luke Recker.

+ Brent and Bryson Scott were impressive as was Collin Hartman. All three did some things well but were overmatched at times.

+ Both Darryl Hicks and Darryl Baker were especially impressive.  Hicks is more polished with his shot and Baker is better at getting to the hole and finding teammates.  Baker might have had the best move of the camp.  He was being guarded by Hulls, took two dribbles, did a spin move and got right to the bucket and hit it with an and-one on Muniru.  It was impressive. Baker has an issue of not playing hard and once he learns to go full speed all the time his potential is endless. Hicks is very talented and has a strong shot.  He plays hard and knows the game.

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  • Kelin Blab

    I would not count out D. Elston or Hulls as the frosh having the most impact on this team. Elston came in with close to a big ten body and every time I have seen him, his game intensity is on 100. He gives you that “if you score on me I will BUST you in the face” look…..Elston will be a “crowd” favorite…..

    The best thing I can say about Hulls is, he knows HOW TO PLAY THE GAME and he is a WINNER.

  • jgongora86

    To be honest the person I'm interested to watch is Bawa. Right now I fully believe that in order to win a NC Bawa has to become the defensive stopper with those long arms. With his athletic abilities I want him to be a fierce rebounder, the person that will make guards think twice before driving to the rim, and can occasionally throw down a dunk with authority. I'm hoping to see a better improved bawa by the time we hit the big ten season. I'm hoping for great things by the middle of his junior year.

  • mcnuttslut

    What are you talking about NC's for? lets focus on winning a big 10 road game this season.

  • jdagg

    dude this is IU. we think about winning championships. thats what we do. this isnt a purdue website.

  • Hardwood83

    Redshirt for Roth, IMO. I also think. I hope Muniru contributes too, and believe he'll need to for IU to take the next step next year and compete for Big 10 titals.

  • GFDave

    We should name the source of this report “Deep Hoops” and make sure their identity remains secret. That way we can keep getting these excellent posts. Very good stuff indeed.

    I like it that Hulls looks good 'cause we sure need players that can handle the ball and make their teammates better. A front line of Elston, Pritchard and Watford on the floor together might be interesting. It will be cool to see how things develop.

  • JerryCT

    FWIW and Off point of this post but I ran into Pat Knight at Saratoga Horse Track last Friday and asked him about dad returning to IU for the HoF award. He says we are not talking to media but he was optimistic dad would make it. He says the key will be Steve Downing……..i think I would now change my vote

  • JerryCT

    I don't see how redshirting Roth would help either his game or the scholly situation. He simply must develop his game and I think he can do it………..but I agree that minutes from him may be tough until he does

  • Did you tell him you weren't media?

  • Roth can get time at the end of games like Kentucky when we'll be only 5 “Roths” behind.

  • plane1972

    Agreed. I'm not sure what a redshirt does for Roth. Like Todd Leary, he can be good when the defensive attention is on others. Our new and improved guard corps should make Roth a valuable specialist.

  • JerryCT

    I specifically asked him if he followed ITH and told him I am religious about it and that it was the best IU site there was. That is when he said they were not going to talk to media. I guess he lumps you in there with media. He was very approachable and gracious however.

    He specifically said he was optimistic and it meant alot to his dad that Steve Downing was involved. He also made it clear that his view ( ie Pat's ) was that dad would like to “get it done”.

    I suppose none of us can actually know what it is like to be in RMK's shoes when it comes to this .

  • JerryCT

    I guess he could have mistakenly thought I was “media” trying to get a story. At Saratoga there were in fact alot of sports media around due to the Travers Stakes eg J Tessitore and Kenny Mayne were in the stands as Pat was having a beer.

  • BobbyDigital

    Of course we think about them. I also think about drinking champagne in a hottub with Jessica Alba. We are coming off a 6-25 season and our best players haven't played a college game. This program is nowhere near ready to start NC conversations. Mcnuttslut (nice) is right….

  • mcnuttslut

    Judging by this post do you think we can see similar contributions this season from Elston that we saw from Pritchard last year?

  • Ryan_T

    Any more notes on Capo (other than he'll have to be fighting for playing time)?

  • mikejones67

    Roth would be perfect in a system that had a dominate big man that could command a double team. He is one of the best shooters you will ever see. That being said he can't create his own shot. He can't utilize a screen and roll play because of his speed, ball handling, and lack of driving ability.

    I would like to talk about the Teague situation. I'm not sure why he didn't show but when your father states that you plan on being at the camp and you don't show then that is cause for concern. I heard 2 rumors, 1. Eric Gordan only came because Teague was suppose to be there
    2. Teague was told by Pitino that if he attended there was a good chance they would start to recruit over him. Pitino needs a HUGE commitment in order to show face that he is still one of the top recruiters of our generation. Coach Cal's loss of another final four was overshadowed by Pitino's “indiscretions”.

    Granted I'm an IU fan but Teague would have a much better career at IU than U of L. Coach Crean will bring his style (when he gets the players) to the Big Ten. Even though U of L runs up and down a little more the NBA is nothing but screen and roles and dribble handoffs. IU runs this better than anyone. Plus you factor in that IU is the school in this state and U of L is still the “Little Brother” Teague will be a much bigger star in Indiana than he will KY.

  • jgongora86

    Sorry guys but I disagree. We are Indiana and we do talk National championships. When you settle for less then you really don't think much about your program. Don't get me wrong if we don't win one, I realize it's not the end of world but that should always be our goal. When I see hulls, Bawa and the rest of this young squad I want to project when they will contend and have a good shot at winning it all. I know thats what they strive for and so should we. I think as a whole IU fans are good about talking about the possibilities and yet realize that our athletes should be respected no matter what the outcome ( thats why we still love hoosiers like D.J. White and A.J. Moye). As long as we are not jerks like kentucky or purdue fans I will continue to talk about the possibilities.

  • Julian

    I know what your thinking about Roth because i like the kid too, but if we did then we would lose 7 guys after one season. Also if we did he wouldnt get anymore playing time than he would now, if anything he would probably lose some with incoming studs….But Hardwood83 i do strongly agree with you on just get KI this year

  • plane1972

    Interesting take on Pitino and Teague, but I have to think Teague is the one in the driver's seat. Louisville is nowhere in the discussion for superstar PGs outside of Teague. To think Pimpino (thank you, Jason Whitlock) would recruit over Teague is a little far-fetched.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9992548/Piti…)

  • mcnuttslut

    Listen, Bawa is no farther along than Tijan Jobe was at this point last year. He's far from contributing on a NC contending team.

  • jgongora86

    Tijan was a junior in college, and bawa is a freshman. Plus I've seen this kid play in high school and he is ten times more athletic than Jobe ( no offense Jobe). This kid will contribute and will be a force if he wants to be.

  • Outoftheloop

    Roth will get on the court early in each of the non-conference games. If he is aggressive in moving without the ball, using screens, taking his shot in rhythm, and hits 2/3 or better, he will get plenty of time. If he is hesitant, unsure and hits 0/3, he will be done. If he is average and hits 1/3 he will play only if we have to have 3's to catch up. It is up to him now. He is no longer a freshman. But we now have the PG's to distribute and the talent to drive and command double teams, so he should get some good shots.

  • Outoftheloop

    What is your basis for saying this now? I don't think that Bawa has been part of a team practice yet. Has the NCAA even cleared him yet?

  • Outoftheloop

    Roth will get on the court early in each of the non-conference games. If he is aggressive in moving without the ball, using screens, taking his shot in rhythm, and hits 2/3 or better, he will get plenty of time. If he is hesitant, unsure and hits 0/3, he will be done. If he is average and hits 1/3 he will play only if we have to have 3's to catch up. It is up to him now. He is no longer a freshman. But we now have the PG's to distribute and the talent to drive and command double teams, so he should get some good shots.

  • Outoftheloop

    What is your basis for saying this now? I don't think that Bawa has been part of a team practice yet. Has the NCAA even cleared him yet?