Comments on: Tom Crean updates the status of Maurice Creek and Bawa Muniru http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-37836 tacojohn Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:07:32 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-37836 The NCAA has dramatically limited the options available to you if you aren't a qualifier out of high school. Remember there's three basic requirements:<br><br>1) Graduate from high school<br>2) Get 16 core course credits (basically 16 year-long courses or 32 semesters) from NCAA approved courses<br>3) Have a corresponding test score and GPA on the sliding scale (higher GPA means lower test score needed, and vice versa)<br><br>If you're missing core course credit, you can only get one credit after graduation (three if you have a learning disability). If you're short on the GPA/test score scale, you can still only use one class after graduation to increase your GPA. You can continue to take the SAT and ACT until you enroll in college. <br><br>So if they were off the mark by a little bit, prepping for a year might make sense. But if they're coming up very short (hard to believe because IU is still working on this), then you have to go the JUCO route. Enrolling at some other four-year school makes no sense because not only is the kid not eligible where he goes and can't get a scholarship, he has to sit a year as a transfer.<br><br>Also don't forget that IU could file for a waiver if the athlete is a little short of the requirements. I'm not going to speculate on what Bawa or Creek's home situations were like so I have no idea what mitigating factors they might have. But the turmoil at IU might make help because IU didn't have the time to advise these kids like they normally might have.<br><br>Finally, as far as scholarships go, if either doesn't get eligible, the NLI is null and void. The scholarships are freed up, so Crean would have more to use down the road, or if they were going to prep IU could re-sign them in November. The NCAA has dramatically limited the options available to you if you aren't a qualifier out of high school. Remember there's three basic requirements:

1) Graduate from high school
2) Get 16 core course credits (basically 16 year-long courses or 32 semesters) from NCAA approved courses
3) Have a corresponding test score and GPA on the sliding scale (higher GPA means lower test score needed, and vice versa)

If you're missing core course credit, you can only get one credit after graduation (three if you have a learning disability). If you're short on the GPA/test score scale, you can still only use one class after graduation to increase your GPA. You can continue to take the SAT and ACT until you enroll in college.

So if they were off the mark by a little bit, prepping for a year might make sense. But if they're coming up very short (hard to believe because IU is still working on this), then you have to go the JUCO route. Enrolling at some other four-year school makes no sense because not only is the kid not eligible where he goes and can't get a scholarship, he has to sit a year as a transfer.

Also don't forget that IU could file for a waiver if the athlete is a little short of the requirements. I'm not going to speculate on what Bawa or Creek's home situations were like so I have no idea what mitigating factors they might have. But the turmoil at IU might make help because IU didn't have the time to advise these kids like they normally might have.

Finally, as far as scholarships go, if either doesn't get eligible, the NLI is null and void. The scholarships are freed up, so Crean would have more to use down the road, or if they were going to prep IU could re-sign them in November.

]]> By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34982 tacojohn Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:07:32 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34982 The NCAA has dramatically limited the options available to you if you aren't a qualifier out of high school. Remember there's three basic requirements:<br><br>1) Graduate from high school<br>2) Get 16 core course credits (basically 16 year-long courses or 32 semesters) from NCAA approved courses<br>3) Have a corresponding test score and GPA on the sliding scale (higher GPA means lower test score needed, and vice versa)<br><br>If you're missing core course credit, you can only get one credit after graduation (three if you have a learning disability). If you're short on the GPA/test score scale, you can still only use one class after graduation to increase your GPA. You can continue to take the SAT and ACT until you enroll in college. <br><br>So if they were off the mark by a little bit, prepping for a year might make sense. But if they're coming up very short (hard to believe because IU is still working on this), then you have to go the JUCO route. Enrolling at some other four-year school makes no sense because not only is the kid not eligible where he goes and can't get a scholarship, he has to sit a year as a transfer.<br><br>Also don't forget that IU could file for a waiver if the athlete is a little short of the requirements. I'm not going to speculate on what Bawa or Creek's home situations were like so I have no idea what mitigating factors they might have. But the turmoil at IU might make help because IU didn't have the time to advise these kids like they normally might have.<br><br>Finally, as far as scholarships go, if either doesn't get eligible, the NLI is null and void. The scholarships are freed up, so Crean would have more to use down the road, or if they were going to prep IU could re-sign them in November. The NCAA has dramatically limited the options available to you if you aren't a qualifier out of high school. Remember there's three basic requirements:

1) Graduate from high school
2) Get 16 core course credits (basically 16 year-long courses or 32 semesters) from NCAA approved courses
3) Have a corresponding test score and GPA on the sliding scale (higher GPA means lower test score needed, and vice versa)

If you're missing core course credit, you can only get one credit after graduation (three if you have a learning disability). If you're short on the GPA/test score scale, you can still only use one class after graduation to increase your GPA. You can continue to take the SAT and ACT until you enroll in college.

So if they were off the mark by a little bit, prepping for a year might make sense. But if they're coming up very short (hard to believe because IU is still working on this), then you have to go the JUCO route. Enrolling at some other four-year school makes no sense because not only is the kid not eligible where he goes and can't get a scholarship, he has to sit a year as a transfer.

Also don't forget that IU could file for a waiver if the athlete is a little short of the requirements. I'm not going to speculate on what Bawa or Creek's home situations were like so I have no idea what mitigating factors they might have. But the turmoil at IU might make help because IU didn't have the time to advise these kids like they normally might have.

Finally, as far as scholarships go, if either doesn't get eligible, the NLI is null and void. The scholarships are freed up, so Crean would have more to use down the road, or if they were going to prep IU could re-sign them in November.

]]> By: plane1972 http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34963 plane1972 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:06:11 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34963 Thanks for the correction, Alex. I've had Hurley in my mind as his coach for a long time and was pretty pessimistic about Kyrie and IU for that very reason. Storm clouds may be breaking for me on this. Thanks for the correction, Alex. I've had Hurley in my mind as his coach for a long time and was pretty pessimistic about Kyrie and IU for that very reason. Storm clouds may be breaking for me on this.

]]> By: psvirsky http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34952 psvirsky Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:00:21 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34952 could we have an all PG lineup? If Irving stuck around, we could play Hulls, Carlino, Irving, Teague and I guess we still need another. J Davis? could we have an all PG lineup? If Irving stuck around, we could play Hulls, Carlino, Irving, Teague and I guess we still need another. J Davis?

]]> By: GFDave http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34951 GFDave Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:27:51 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34951 Although its clear that Kyrie likes IU, I didn't see anything in the article that suggests he's coming our way. Duke made a big showing at Orlando. World Wide Wes is also tough competition. I'd like him to come, he's a very good player and, in the interviews I've read and heard, he comes across as a good kid.<br><br>The chances of both Teague and Irving at IU? Very small. I'm not sure it is even desirable, given that they both need the ball to be good. Also, two consecutive one and done point guards would not be conducive to program development. Although its clear that Kyrie likes IU, I didn't see anything in the article that suggests he's coming our way. Duke made a big showing at Orlando. World Wide Wes is also tough competition. I'd like him to come, he's a very good player and, in the interviews I've read and heard, he comes across as a good kid.

The chances of both Teague and Irving at IU? Very small. I'm not sure it is even desirable, given that they both need the ball to be good. Also, two consecutive one and done point guards would not be conducive to program development.

]]> By: roninjeffersonville http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34950 roninjeffersonville Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:55:52 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34950 Kyrie thanks for the link. Very interesting. But keep in mind what I said earlier about Louisville and Fab Melo. Recruits say thing then change their mind very fast. <br> Let me pass thisd one to you:<br><a href="http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-like-to-play-3-point-guards/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-...</a><br> Kentucky is wanting 3 point guards Kyrie thanks for the link. Very interesting. But keep in mind what I said earlier about Louisville and Fab Melo. Recruits say thing then change their mind very fast.
Let me pass thisd one to you:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-…
Kentucky is wanting 3 point guards

]]> By: Sallad http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34949 Sallad Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:46:31 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34949 <1%--This is my opinion, which is notoriously unreliable. <1%–This is my opinion, which is notoriously unreliable.

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34948 Kelin Blab Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:21:12 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34948 Great Kyrie Irving article in the Indy Star today. IU is still in good shape....<br><br><a href="http://www.indystar.com/article/20090807/SPORTS0615/90807013/1361/SPORTS0615/Hoosiers+going+all-out+for+Irving" rel="nofollow">http://www.indystar.com/article/20090807/SPORTS...</a><br><br>What are the odds of us getting Teague and Irving? Great Kyrie Irving article in the Indy Star today. IU is still in good shape….

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090807/SPORTS…

What are the odds of us getting Teague and Irving?

]]> By: Diesel http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34947 Diesel Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:46:09 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34947 IndyStar reporting this morning that J Davis is saying he "maybe" will make a decision before school starts late next week. IndyStar reporting this morning that J Davis is saying he “maybe” will make a decision before school starts late next week.

]]> By: Diesel http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34946 Diesel Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:19:10 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34946 Ron, most of the recruiting sites list J Davis as a PG and when I saw him play that was the position he played the majority of the time. In fact, I'd say his jumper was one of his areas that needed a little work. I would call him a big, strong and physical point guard.<br><br>Anyway, I think it's a lot like Bill Polian and the Colts, we'd like to fill certain positions but ultimately we're going to take the best available player. We all get pissed off when they take another offensive player, but man look at the guys we've picked up in the first round. Plus with our offense we've reallly got any number of guys who can bring the ball up the floor and we already have J Rivers, V Jones, J Hulls, and Carlino on the way, all very capable of being the point.<br><br>I also like the "bird in the hand" philosophy - give me J Davis ASAP!<br><br>I also wonder if Teagues dad is displeased with where Marquis is leaning and continues to push it back, or maybe they were a little surprised that Fab Melo didn't choose Louisville..... Ron, most of the recruiting sites list J Davis as a PG and when I saw him play that was the position he played the majority of the time. In fact, I'd say his jumper was one of his areas that needed a little work. I would call him a big, strong and physical point guard.

Anyway, I think it's a lot like Bill Polian and the Colts, we'd like to fill certain positions but ultimately we're going to take the best available player. We all get pissed off when they take another offensive player, but man look at the guys we've picked up in the first round. Plus with our offense we've reallly got any number of guys who can bring the ball up the floor and we already have J Rivers, V Jones, J Hulls, and Carlino on the way, all very capable of being the point.

I also like the “bird in the hand” philosophy – give me J Davis ASAP!

I also wonder if Teagues dad is displeased with where Marquis is leaning and continues to push it back, or maybe they were a little surprised that Fab Melo didn't choose Louisville…..

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34945 MillaRed Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:14:24 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34945 At this point I could give a crap about Teague,,,,, At this point I could give a crap about Teague,,,,,

]]> By: roninJeffersonville http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34944 roninJeffersonville Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:59:40 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34944 Kelin J Davis is a shooting guard, Teague's is a point guard. I think I can see what coach is doing, he is going to put the Hurrying back into the Hoosiers. I think our next recruit for 2011 will be a big man (Plumlee or Zeller). He will want a big man that will run down the court not jog. Either of theses guys will do that<br>Another thing I want to bring up is what happened to Louisville this week. As of last week everyone thought <br> Fab Melo was a sure thing. In less then a week he decided on Syracuse. In recruiting, seem things can change that fast. I say this cause I don't have a clue what Irving will do ( guess no one does till the end). I also feel Irving is very important to the whole thing Kelin J Davis is a shooting guard, Teague's is a point guard. I think I can see what coach is doing, he is going to put the Hurrying back into the Hoosiers. I think our next recruit for 2011 will be a big man (Plumlee or Zeller). He will want a big man that will run down the court not jog. Either of theses guys will do that
Another thing I want to bring up is what happened to Louisville this week. As of last week everyone thought
Fab Melo was a sure thing. In less then a week he decided on Syracuse. In recruiting, seem things can change that fast. I say this cause I don't have a clue what Irving will do ( guess no one does till the end). I also feel Irving is very important to the whole thing

]]> By: roninJeffersonville http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34943 roninJeffersonville Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:15:04 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34943 Ok delay his decision again. Is anyone surprised? Ok delay his decision again. Is anyone surprised?

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34942 Kelin Blab Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:55:25 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34942 I agree along with seeing if anyone else committs to L'ville which no one has.....I J.Davis commits, goodbye teague, and I have a strong strong gut feeling J.Davis will commit before Teague.....Him and Etherington are apparently close and have talked... I agree along with seeing if anyone else committs to L'ville which no one has…..I J.Davis commits, goodbye teague, and I have a strong strong gut feeling J.Davis will commit before Teague…..Him and Etherington are apparently close and have talked…

]]> By: Alex http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34941 Alex Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:13:01 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34941 Irving doesn't play for Hurley's dad. He plays for Kevin Boyle. Hurley's dad is the coach at St. Anthony's. Irving doesn't play for Hurley's dad. He plays for Kevin Boyle. Hurley's dad is the coach at St. Anthony's.

]]> By: BaseballBuc http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34940 BaseballBuc Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:49:05 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34940 I'm just kind of wondering if he is waiting to make a decision just to see if anyone else commits to IU. I'm just kind of wondering if he is waiting to make a decision just to see if anyone else commits to IU.

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34939 Kelin Blab Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:02:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34939 Not sure if anyone has seen that Teague is delaying his decision til a little further into the school year......<br><br><a href="http://www.indystar.com/article/20090806/SPORTS0615/90806040/1361/SPORTS0615/Teague+decision+likely+after+school+starts" rel="nofollow">http://www.indystar.com/article/20090806/SPORTS...</a><br><br>Not to mention the kid kicked around the idea of playing football this year..... Not sure if anyone has seen that Teague is delaying his decision til a little further into the school year……

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090806/SPORTS…

Not to mention the kid kicked around the idea of playing football this year…..

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34938 Kelin Blab Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:58:13 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34938 Plane you did distribute some rain bro...but you made great points....I think Jeremiah Davis is a hoosier.....I put him at 70/30 IU Bound. <br><br>I read somewhere a week or so ago, Cal and Crean are aiming to make IU Kentucky a rivalry on the level of Duke UNC........if they do so, they sure as hell better keep some of those games on campus.....I am saving for scalpers tickets now for this years game.... Plane you did distribute some rain bro…but you made great points….I think Jeremiah Davis is a hoosier…..I put him at 70/30 IU Bound.

I read somewhere a week or so ago, Cal and Crean are aiming to make IU Kentucky a rivalry on the level of Duke UNC……..if they do so, they sure as hell better keep some of those games on campus…..I am saving for scalpers tickets now for this years game….

]]> By: plane1972 http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34937 plane1972 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:48:18 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34937 East coast kid, closer to Duke and has seen them play much on TV more than he has IU. Plays for Bobby Hurley's dad, who has never been a good advocate for IU. Duke running an elite camp to gain access to their top-tier recruits. Coach K coaching pros in the Olympics cannot be seen as anything but good in the eyes of a recruit. Duke is a formidable foe for us in landing Irving. I would put our chances at less than 50/50.<br><br>Also, you should read this interview with Calipari (<a href="http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-like-to-play-3-point-guards" rel="nofollow">http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-...</a>). He is making a case for wanting more point guards in his system. It would not surprise me if UK made a compelling case to land more than one of the prizes in the Selby/Rivers/Irving/Joe Jackson sweepstakes. <br><br>Sorry to rain on the parade. Go get Jeremiah Rivers NOW! East coast kid, closer to Duke and has seen them play much on TV more than he has IU. Plays for Bobby Hurley's dad, who has never been a good advocate for IU. Duke running an elite camp to gain access to their top-tier recruits. Coach K coaching pros in the Olympics cannot be seen as anything but good in the eyes of a recruit. Duke is a formidable foe for us in landing Irving. I would put our chances at less than 50/50.

Also, you should read this interview with Calipari (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-…). He is making a case for wanting more point guards in his system. It would not surprise me if UK made a compelling case to land more than one of the prizes in the Selby/Rivers/Irving/Joe Jackson sweepstakes.

Sorry to rain on the parade. Go get Jeremiah Rivers NOW!

]]> By: Diesel http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/05/tom-crean-on-maurice-creeks-and-bawa-munirus-statuses/comment-page-1/#comment-34936 Diesel Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:23:33 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=3311#comment-34936 They do have a signed letter of intent, so I don't know if that would classify as a transfer or just a release, but I was meaning JUCO or even Div II (worst case scenario)<br><br>Does reclassify as 2010 basically mean prep school and work on grades?<br><br>Kelin, we would still have 2 extra scholarships so it wouldn't affect Kyrie.<br><br>Just to clarify, I do believe both these guys will be suiting up, just curious to know how the other road would play out if unfortunately it did for one of these guys. They do have a signed letter of intent, so I don't know if that would classify as a transfer or just a release, but I was meaning JUCO or even Div II (worst case scenario)

Does reclassify as 2010 basically mean prep school and work on grades?

Kelin, we would still have 2 extra scholarships so it wouldn't affect Kyrie.

Just to clarify, I do believe both these guys will be suiting up, just curious to know how the other road would play out if unfortunately it did for one of these guys.

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