Tom Crean updates the status of Maurice Creek and Bawa Muniru

With classes set to start at the end of the month, there are still two noticeable absences from IU’s 2009 recruiting class on campus: Maurice Creek and Bawa Muniru.

The details have been a little murky, but it’s believed Creek, due to bouncing around to several schools during his high school career, was finishing up course work this summer before being able to make the jump to college. Muniru similarly had work to do — or scores to acheive — before he could make the leap to college.

Just a few minutes ago, Tom Crean tweeted this about Creek:

I talked with Maurice Creek earlier today. He has finished up his work and now we will wait with cautious optimism for his clearance.

And about Muniru:

Bawa is finishing up all of his work this week too. He wants to get here as soon as he can. We want him here too.

So yes: neither has been cleared yet, but according to Crean, both will have their work done this week, and if all goes well, they’ll be joining their teammates this fall.

Crean added in another tweet that Creek told him he was shooting around with Kevin Durant today. Never a bad dude to be hanging around with on the basketball court.

  • Sallad

    Call me a Debbie Downer but I can't shake the feeling that one of these guys will never suit up for IU.

  • psvirsky

    was just pondering those tweets when I saw this post and I need to talk about it.

    I agree that something about this just feels ominous. No one really knows how much of a loss Bawa would be, but Creek would really hurt. Hopefully there won't be any problems but it's tough not to be nervous until those guys get on campus.

  • Kelin Blab

    It would absolutely suck if one of these guys didn't make it and I as well have braced myself for one of them to never see the court at IU but given our scholly situtation it may work out. Not that I want things to happen that way but this waiting makes me nervous. It would be nice if Creek was shooting around with his teammates or Kyrie Irving….

  • GFDave

    I think Bawa will enroll. I'm not so sure about Maurice.

  • hoosierboy

    Just another thing us IU fans need to worry about. Too much fricken drama lately.lol

  • roninJeffersonville

    Alex tell me it isnt so: Jerry Meyer of Rivals.com: “Speculation grows that Harrison Barnes and Kyrie Irving will end up at Duke.”

  • Kelin Blab

    Ron if this will make you feel better…..the conflicting report that he will end up at IU comes from demling…..so it is a matter of who you want to go with ….

    My comfort with KI coming to IU is in:
    1. His comments about Crean and the 'school' academically
    2. Duke is onto another PG as compared to IU has given the kid the keys
    3. Duke for some reason has not been able to close the deal on kids, their recruiting has been lacking
    4. For what it is worth, Crean has been relentless with this kid, if they can get him into Hoosier Hysteria it will help tremendously.

    The drama continues…..I put KI coming to IU as 60/40 in our favor.

  • sacajacabuncar

    I'm with you on this one. I'm a little concerned.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I was only passing along what Meyer wrote. That's not necessarily what I believe to be the case.

  • psvirsky

    agreed with your comforts and I'll like to extrapolate on #2

    They've got Seth Curry – I don't remember for sure if he's a 1 but he's only 6'1 FWIW. They've got a PG in the class of 2010 already, Tyler Thornton, who seems pretty decent and is a 4-star recruit. Lastly, wasn't their word recently that they were really going hard after Joe Jackson? Or was that Kentucky?

    Meh, anyways, as you said, Kyrie would quickly become the star here I would think. Your other points are also good and worth remembering, especially on how much Crean has worked to get him.

  • Hardwood83

    I'm quite concerned about there two also- but if Crean had a reason to doubt wouldn't he start lowering expectations instead of stringing it along? I would think he'd want to start distancing himself- but maybe he is A) Confident of B) Doesn't know much more then he's stating. I suppose Creek is more polished but an athletic big man is the stuff for me. Come on fellas wrap it up already!

  • MillaRed

    Two things make me feel pretty good about these guys.

    First of all, we need to start trusting our coach. If he says these guys are finishing up what they need to do we need to believe it. I'm sure IU was well aware of what they were supposed to achieve. This is TC not Sampson!

    Secondly, Coach K is doing the U.S. Olympic thing again and from what I'm hearing that is a turn off to the 5-star recruits. If you plan to leave for the pros after one or two years getting Coach K part-time is a turn-off.

    I think things are finally coming together for the IU program.

  • alank

    “Cautious optimism” is a term I associate with “I am not at all optimistic, but do not want to say that I am pessimistic.”

  • JerryCT

    The most important piece of info is WHEN is the status of these two finalized and by WHOM. Can we get clarity on this ? TC is always so upbeat that when he is not we all get down. I predict they both are fine.

  • http://www.fearfullyoptimistic.com tacojohn

    By Whom: The NCAA Eligibility Center

    When: It gets done when it gets done. Can't help you.

  • CreamandCrimson

    60-40 sounds about right. It would be tremendous to get an elite player to commit to IU before Crean's second season. Much quicker than I would have anticipated.
    I am with everyone else on the Bawa/Creek situation. It feels like something bad has to happen. I am trying to be an optimist and I think if TC thought there was a pretty good chance they wouldn't be eligible, he would not be tweeting about it to get everyone's hopes up. I am probably reaching there but I need to believe they will be Hoosiers!

  • Diesel

    Ultimately I think these guys will both be OK. I don't think we'd be hearing anything from CTC if the situation looked bad.

    But, what would happen if both of these guys didn't make the grade? Prep school? Transfer?
    How would the scholly situation look? Would we still save those since we are “behind” on the 2010 class?

  • Diesel

    TacoJohn is right. The NCAA clearinghouse is a unique animal. Even once passing scores show up, they still cannot participate in anything until formally cleared. It often takes longer than should seem necessary.

  • JerryCT

    Why would transfer make sense ? Wouldn't the same issue follow them ? Why would prep school make sense if they could come to IU as a “provisional” student and keep elgibility ? I think the time is pretty late to change anything except timing of elgibility

  • CreamandCrimson

    You're right. Transferring probably would not help them. This is not a case where they haven't “met IU standards”, they need to meet NCAA standards which supposedly are the same for everybody (I sometimes have my doubts). It seems to me they are either coming to IU or going JUCO.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I would say reclassifying to 2010 would be a better option than JUCO. Playing at a JUCO takes away eligibility.

  • Kelin Blab

    Reclassifying for 2010……..if this affects Kyrie Irving I say…”Nice knowing you Bawa, you are the Josh Smith of 2009…..”

  • Diesel

    They do have a signed letter of intent, so I don't know if that would classify as a transfer or just a release, but I was meaning JUCO or even Div II (worst case scenario)

    Does reclassify as 2010 basically mean prep school and work on grades?

    Kelin, we would still have 2 extra scholarships so it wouldn't affect Kyrie.

    Just to clarify, I do believe both these guys will be suiting up, just curious to know how the other road would play out if unfortunately it did for one of these guys.

  • plane1972

    East coast kid, closer to Duke and has seen them play much on TV more than he has IU. Plays for Bobby Hurley's dad, who has never been a good advocate for IU. Duke running an elite camp to gain access to their top-tier recruits. Coach K coaching pros in the Olympics cannot be seen as anything but good in the eyes of a recruit. Duke is a formidable foe for us in landing Irving. I would put our chances at less than 50/50.

    Also, you should read this interview with Calipari (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-…). He is making a case for wanting more point guards in his system. It would not surprise me if UK made a compelling case to land more than one of the prizes in the Selby/Rivers/Irving/Joe Jackson sweepstakes.

    Sorry to rain on the parade. Go get Jeremiah Rivers NOW!

  • Kelin Blab

    Plane you did distribute some rain bro…but you made great points….I think Jeremiah Davis is a hoosier…..I put him at 70/30 IU Bound.

    I read somewhere a week or so ago, Cal and Crean are aiming to make IU Kentucky a rivalry on the level of Duke UNC……..if they do so, they sure as hell better keep some of those games on campus…..I am saving for scalpers tickets now for this years game….

  • Kelin Blab

    Not sure if anyone has seen that Teague is delaying his decision til a little further into the school year……

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20090806/SPORTS

    Not to mention the kid kicked around the idea of playing football this year…..

  • BaseballBuc

    I'm just kind of wondering if he is waiting to make a decision just to see if anyone else commits to IU.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Irving doesn't play for Hurley's dad. He plays for Kevin Boyle. Hurley's dad is the coach at St. Anthony's.

  • Kelin Blab

    I agree along with seeing if anyone else committs to L'ville which no one has…..I J.Davis commits, goodbye teague, and I have a strong strong gut feeling J.Davis will commit before Teague…..Him and Etherington are apparently close and have talked…

  • roninJeffersonville

    Ok delay his decision again. Is anyone surprised?

  • roninJeffersonville

    Kelin J Davis is a shooting guard, Teague's is a point guard. I think I can see what coach is doing, he is going to put the Hurrying back into the Hoosiers. I think our next recruit for 2011 will be a big man (Plumlee or Zeller). He will want a big man that will run down the court not jog. Either of theses guys will do that
    Another thing I want to bring up is what happened to Louisville this week. As of last week everyone thought
    Fab Melo was a sure thing. In less then a week he decided on Syracuse. In recruiting, seem things can change that fast. I say this cause I don't have a clue what Irving will do ( guess no one does till the end). I also feel Irving is very important to the whole thing

  • MillaRed

    At this point I could give a crap about Teague,,,,,

  • Diesel

    Ron, most of the recruiting sites list J Davis as a PG and when I saw him play that was the position he played the majority of the time. In fact, I'd say his jumper was one of his areas that needed a little work. I would call him a big, strong and physical point guard.

    Anyway, I think it's a lot like Bill Polian and the Colts, we'd like to fill certain positions but ultimately we're going to take the best available player. We all get pissed off when they take another offensive player, but man look at the guys we've picked up in the first round. Plus with our offense we've reallly got any number of guys who can bring the ball up the floor and we already have J Rivers, V Jones, J Hulls, and Carlino on the way, all very capable of being the point.

    I also like the “bird in the hand” philosophy – give me J Davis ASAP!

    I also wonder if Teagues dad is displeased with where Marquis is leaning and continues to push it back, or maybe they were a little surprised that Fab Melo didn't choose Louisville…..

  • Diesel

    IndyStar reporting this morning that J Davis is saying he “maybe” will make a decision before school starts late next week.

  • Kelin Blab

    Great Kyrie Irving article in the Indy Star today. IU is still in good shape….

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20090807/SPORTS

    What are the odds of us getting Teague and Irving?

  • Sallad

    <1%–This is my opinion, which is notoriously unreliable.

  • roninjeffersonville

    Kyrie thanks for the link. Very interesting. But keep in mind what I said earlier about Louisville and Fab Melo. Recruits say thing then change their mind very fast.
    Let me pass thisd one to you:
    http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/08/05/calipari-id-
    Kentucky is wanting 3 point guards

  • GFDave

    Although its clear that Kyrie likes IU, I didn't see anything in the article that suggests he's coming our way. Duke made a big showing at Orlando. World Wide Wes is also tough competition. I'd like him to come, he's a very good player and, in the interviews I've read and heard, he comes across as a good kid.

    The chances of both Teague and Irving at IU? Very small. I'm not sure it is even desirable, given that they both need the ball to be good. Also, two consecutive one and done point guards would not be conducive to program development.

  • psvirsky

    could we have an all PG lineup? If Irving stuck around, we could play Hulls, Carlino, Irving, Teague and I guess we still need another. J Davis?

  • plane1972

    Thanks for the correction, Alex. I've had Hurley in my mind as his coach for a long time and was pretty pessimistic about Kyrie and IU for that very reason. Storm clouds may be breaking for me on this.

  • http://www.fearfullyoptimistic.com tacojohn

    The NCAA has dramatically limited the options available to you if you aren't a qualifier out of high school. Remember there's three basic requirements:

    1) Graduate from high school
    2) Get 16 core course credits (basically 16 year-long courses or 32 semesters) from NCAA approved courses
    3) Have a corresponding test score and GPA on the sliding scale (higher GPA means lower test score needed, and vice versa)

    If you're missing core course credit, you can only get one credit after graduation (three if you have a learning disability). If you're short on the GPA/test score scale, you can still only use one class after graduation to increase your GPA. You can continue to take the SAT and ACT until you enroll in college.

    So if they were off the mark by a little bit, prepping for a year might make sense. But if they're coming up very short (hard to believe because IU is still working on this), then you have to go the JUCO route. Enrolling at some other four-year school makes no sense because not only is the kid not eligible where he goes and can't get a scholarship, he has to sit a year as a transfer.

    Also don't forget that IU could file for a waiver if the athlete is a little short of the requirements. I'm not going to speculate on what Bawa or Creek's home situations were like so I have no idea what mitigating factors they might have. But the turmoil at IU might make help because IU didn't have the time to advise these kids like they normally might have.

    Finally, as far as scholarships go, if either doesn't get eligible, the NLI is null and void. The scholarships are freed up, so Crean would have more to use down the road, or if they were going to prep IU could re-sign them in November.

  • http://www.fearfullyoptimistic.com tacojohn

    The NCAA has dramatically limited the options available to you if you aren't a qualifier out of high school. Remember there's three basic requirements:

    1) Graduate from high school
    2) Get 16 core course credits (basically 16 year-long courses or 32 semesters) from NCAA approved courses
    3) Have a corresponding test score and GPA on the sliding scale (higher GPA means lower test score needed, and vice versa)

    If you're missing core course credit, you can only get one credit after graduation (three if you have a learning disability). If you're short on the GPA/test score scale, you can still only use one class after graduation to increase your GPA. You can continue to take the SAT and ACT until you enroll in college.

    So if they were off the mark by a little bit, prepping for a year might make sense. But if they're coming up very short (hard to believe because IU is still working on this), then you have to go the JUCO route. Enrolling at some other four-year school makes no sense because not only is the kid not eligible where he goes and can't get a scholarship, he has to sit a year as a transfer.

    Also don't forget that IU could file for a waiver if the athlete is a little short of the requirements. I'm not going to speculate on what Bawa or Creek's home situations were like so I have no idea what mitigating factors they might have. But the turmoil at IU might make help because IU didn't have the time to advise these kids like they normally might have.

    Finally, as far as scholarships go, if either doesn't get eligible, the NLI is null and void. The scholarships are freed up, so Crean would have more to use down the road, or if they were going to prep IU could re-sign them in November.

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