If Rivals has him as a top-100 (I believe top 75), 4* prospect, and he brings with him a deep understanding and appreciation for IU's basketball tradition from his father, then said national recruiting guru can go pound sand.

If Rivals has him as a top-100 (I believe top 75), 4* prospect, and he brings with him a deep understanding and appreciation for IU's basketball tradition from his father, then said national recruiting guru can go pound sand.

Great shooter with big upside and good blood line…I like him!

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't like what he's doing recruiting wise. i perfectly understand if players like ferguson and teague decide not to come to IU, but can't we wait until we hear their decisions? We are wasting scholarships on role players, who would have waited anyway. I like Coach Crean, because he's a nice guy and the man knows his X's and O's, but I don't like how he's recruiting.

On one hand we have the Michigan Blogger and a National Recruiting Guru who don't like the kid much. On the other hand Rivals has him listed fairly high, with a 4 star rating and coming in as the number 68 player in 2010. What I see is incomplete and contradictory info. So I think we should wait until we get more info before we jump to conclusions about Moses.

Does anybody know what AAU team he plays for? We should be watching that to get a better feel.

I am happy with the way Crean is recruiting. I love the 2009 group in all respects. I think the 2010 group is incomplete and we should withhold judgment until it is complete. The addition of a couple big names, including a tall player, would have people singing a different tune.

On one hand we have the Michigan Blogger and a National Recruiting Guru who don't like the kid much. On the other hand Rivals has him listed fairly high, with a 4 star rating and coming in as the number 68 player in 2010. What I see is incomplete and contradictory info. So I think we should wait until we get more info before we jump to conclusions about Moses.

Does anybody know what AAU team he plays for? We should be watching that to get a better feel.

I am happy with the way Crean is recruiting. I love the 2009 group in all respects. I think the 2010 group is incomplete and we should withhold judgment until it is complete. The addition of a couple big names, including a tall player, would have people singing a different tune.

No, No, No. This guy should be a last resort. Until all the good ones are taken, we shouldn't even be thinking that hard about this guy. Competing against scholarship offers from Utah, Marquette and MI is not the toughest thing to do. Crean needs to understand he isn't at Marquette anymore and can recruit higher quality players. Crean or anyone else will not win championships with a team full of role players. Yes the incoming class is great, but we're following this up with a bunch of no names? Makes no sense to me.

That's exactly the trap Mike Davis fell into. Always shooting for the big fish, then when they didn't commit all the guys just behind them, the kinds of guys Crean is landing now, have committed elsewhere. He was left with late pickups and projects and a couple of highly ranked players. You really think that a kid rated 68th in the country by Rivals is going to just sit and wait to see if we whiff on Irving and Ferguson? Especially when he already has offers from the Big East, Big 12 and the Big 10?

In any event, he hasn't committed yet, so who knows what will happen. I for one like Crean's recruiting strategy which I see as recruiting solid, high character players. When he does land a top name (and he will land several over time) that will help put us over the top, but we'll always be solid with his strategy. If Crean and IU cool on him over the coming months, then I would similarly trust their assessment at this point.

That's exactly the trap Mike Davis fell into. Always shooting for the big fish, then when they didn't commit all the guys just behind them, the kinds of guys Crean is landing now, have committed elsewhere. He was left with late pickups and projects and a couple of highly ranked players. You really think that a kid rated 68th in the country by Rivals is going to just sit and wait to see if we whiff on Irving and Ferguson? Especially when he already has offers from the Big East, Big 12 and the Big 10?

In any event, he hasn't committed yet, so who knows what will happen. I for one like Crean's recruiting strategy which I see as recruiting solid, high character players. When he does land a top name (and he will land several over time) that will help put us over the top, but we'll always be solid with his strategy. If Crean and IU cool on him over the coming months, then I would similarly trust their assessment at this point.

So the problem with Williams commitment was he wasn't ranked high enough by the recruiting services and now with Morgan it's that he's not getting recruited by the 'right' schools? That reasoning seems a little suspect. I would prefer a can't miss big man too, but what if that doesn't happen? Obviously signing the top 3 players in the Country every year is a great plan, but doesn't always work out.

I agree that was the fault of MIke Davis, but look at our 2009 class. It has quality from top to bottom to make a team respectable. With the limited scholarships we have for the 2010 and 2011 class we should be trying to use them for top 25 talent to give us a chance to win a national championship. The difference between then and now is that we already have the complimentary players.

I agree that was the fault of MIke Davis, but look at our 2009 class. It has quality from top to bottom to make a team respectable. With the limited scholarships we have for the 2010 and 2011 class we should be trying to use them for top 25 talent to give us a chance to win a national championship. The difference between then and now is that we already have the complimentary players.

Yeah but we can afford to look for the top talent because our 2009 class is solid from top to bottom with quality kids. They are all four year players. You might disagree but we need a highly recruited stud to give us a chance to win a national championship.

Hey guys,

Dylan from UMHoops.com here. The two scouting reports on Moses are from one of our commenters from Vegas.

As you probably read, he wasn't that fond of Moses. A lot of this came from the fact that Vegas hoops isn't very competitive and he thought he should dominate the game much more. Looking back at some of his ESPN scouting reports, he has seemed to be up and down, sometimes he will look like a top 50 prospect and others he will be pretty much invisible.

We followed his season over on my site and his team ended up losing in the state title. I think this summer will be make or break time for him, he'll either step up or slide down. For Michigan right now I think he's in that second level of targets, behind our #1 guys Trey Zeigler and Casey Prather. However I always figured an IU offer will mean he's probably not going to end up in Ann Arbor.

Marquette and Michigan were both tourney teams last year, both are in major conferences. So, what, we turn our nose up at a kid because he doesn't have an offer yet from UNC? A sure way to end up with projects and late signees.

Are IU fans that nostalgic for the days of Mike Davis?

Marquette and Michigan were both tourney teams last year, both are in major conferences. So, what, we turn our nose up at a kid because he doesn't have an offer yet from UNC? A sure way to end up with projects and late signees.

Are IU fans that nostalgic for the days of Mike Davis?

No, I don't disagree. By all means, IU should go after the studs and get in on every top-ranked guy that fits our system. But, like others have said, it isn't a fact these guys aren't studs- it's just not a consensus opinion- and the consensus is often wrong. Second, we won't get all the top ranked guys but still need to recruit other players.

That's exactly the Mike Davis problem, though. If we shoot for the stars but fall a bit short for the 2010 and 2011 classes, then what happens when the 2009 class graduates? Or even assuming you hit with one or more 1-and-dones in 2010/2011 and then the 2009 class graduates? We're not UNC at this point, capable of restocking each class full of 4* and 5* talent. I don't want to hit 2012 and suddenly be left looking backwards and a couple decent years and wondering whether we'll make the NIT.

Crean is trying to build, from scratch mind you, a year-in, year-out tourney program (what we had under Knight before he and IU parted ways). Even that is going to take time. Each class at this point should have solid, 3/4-year players, at which point you can really afford to pull out the stops for the top ranked kid(s).

As Crean gets into the middle of his contract and the program is on the upswing, then maybe we can afford to be recruit snobs. How about though we wait until we get an NCAA appearance w/ Crean before dubbing ourselves too great for Marquette and Michigan offerees?

That's exactly the Mike Davis problem, though. If we shoot for the stars but fall a bit short for the 2010 and 2011 classes, then what happens when the 2009 class graduates? Or even assuming you hit with one or more 1-and-dones in 2010/2011 and then the 2009 class graduates? We're not UNC at this point, capable of restocking each class full of 4* and 5* talent. I don't want to hit 2012 and suddenly be left looking backwards and a couple decent years and wondering whether we'll make the NIT.

Crean is trying to build, from scratch mind you, a year-in, year-out tourney program (what we had under Knight before he and IU parted ways). Even that is going to take time. Each class at this point should have solid, 3/4-year players, at which point you can really afford to pull out the stops for the top ranked kid(s).

As Crean gets into the middle of his contract and the program is on the upswing, then maybe we can afford to be recruit snobs. How about though we wait until we get an NCAA appearance w/ Crean before dubbing ourselves too great for Marquette and Michigan offerees?

I'd like to point out that a highly rated 5 star player in the top 20 nationally for 2010 will likely be one and done or two and done. In other words, they will be gone before our 2009 class become seniors. What I think we want, in a perfect world, are a couple of 5 star sophmores playing with the senior class of Creek, et al. That, it seems to me, is the formula for the fast track to the Final Four. I would also argue that the class of 2011 is full of Indiana kids that fit this bill perfectly.

These debates will never stop . Everybody make good points albeit with different 1) concepts of a good recruitnig class and 2) concepts of how to develop a winning team

Since its Derby week perhaps a horse race analogy is valuable. One rule in betting on horses is that if there are more than 2 horses who need to lead the race they will burn each other out and open the door for a “closer”, bet the closer.

Take the top 25 players, one or two and done, potentially selfish players or develop 3,4,5 year players with a bit more team character ?

These debates will never stop . Everybody make good points albeit with different 1) concepts of a good recruitnig class and 2) concepts of how to develop a winning team

Since its Derby week perhaps a horse race analogy is valuable. One rule in betting on horses is that if there are more than 2 horses who need to lead the race they will burn each other out and open the door for a “closer”, bet the closer.

Take the top 25 players, one or two and done, potentially selfish players or develop 3,4,5 year players with a bit more team character ?

Looks to me like we are all learning as we go. We have a few guys from last year and a solid class this year that are THE FOUNDATION. We already saw Story and Williams bolt. If we continue down a path that displaces players on an annual basis it will be a recipe for disaster.

I think we all are underating this current class. If/when we land the 2010, 2011 on and done guy that's all we can handle! We're bringing these kids in to play not watch four “one and dones” take their minutes.

I think we need more patience throughout this ordeal instead of instant gratification. We built houses all over the country people couldn't afford and ended up in a recession. We can do the same thing to this program if we are merely a stepping stone for top 10 recruits!

Why do we need to recruit these super stars and become a Uconn team…were you have the talent but cant win it. Why not leave Crean alone because you dont know what the hell your talking about, you dont even sound like a IU fan. Crean is recruiting just like Tom Izzo, he lands more 4stars than 5stars…and if you havent noticed they all stay for atleast 3 years and they win…they W-I-N…

Why do we need to recruit these super stars and become a Uconn team…were you have the talent but cant win it. Why not leave Crean alone because you dont know what the hell your talking about, you dont even sound like a IU fan. Crean is recruiting just like Tom Izzo, he lands more 4stars than 5stars…and if you havent noticed they all stay for atleast 3 years and they win…they W-I-N…