Comments on: Seth Davis on Larry Bird and Bobby Knight http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Keghorn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-36500 Keghorn Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:12:19 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-36500 Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest. Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest.

]]> By: Keghorn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-24214 Keghorn Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:13:44 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-24214 Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I wouldn't bet against Bird in a dickhead contest against the former coach. He's not exactly a type-A personality and open-hearted kindfellow either. Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I wouldn't bet against Bird in a dickhead contest against the former coach. He's not exactly a type-A personality and open-hearted kindfellow either.

]]> By: Keghorn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-26741 Keghorn Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:12:19 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-26741 Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest. Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest.

]]> By: Keghorn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30841 Keghorn Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:12:19 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30841 Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest. Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest.

]]> By: Keghorn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30849 Keghorn Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:12:19 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30849 Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest. Even though Knight had a harsh demeanor and personality, I think Bird would be one of few individuals that could compete with him in a dickhead contest.

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-23579 MillaRed Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:32:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-23579 Well said sir...... Well said sir……

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-26740 MillaRed Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:32:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-26740 Well said sir...... Well said sir……

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30838 MillaRed Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:32:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30838 Well said sir...... Well said sir……

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30848 MillaRed Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:32:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30848 Well said sir...... Well said sir……

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-23548 JohnM Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:08:37 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-23548 But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style. <br><br>I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great.. But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style.

I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great..

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-26739 JohnM Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:08:37 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-26739 But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style. <br><br>I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great.. But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style.

I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great..

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30837 JohnM Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:08:37 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30837 But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style. <br><br>I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great.. But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style.

I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great..

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30847 JohnM Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:08:37 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30847 But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style. <br><br>I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great.. But as one of the other people quoted in the book notes, even if Bird hadn't left when he did, he probably wouldn't have lasted under Knight's coaching style.

I have never noted any particular resentment for Bird among IU fans. He got a standing O at the 1994 IU-Purdue game when I was a sophomore. Also, the first two teams that he missed out on were the two best in school history, so it's hard to say that he was missed early on. Who knows? The key point is that Knight didn't treat him any differently than any other player, and neither Knight nor anyone else had any idea that he was going to be an all-time great..

]]> By: CutterInChicago http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-23538 CutterInChicago Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:58:36 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-23538 To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me). <br>Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) .... that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend. <br>That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro) To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me).
Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) …. that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend.
That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro)

]]> By: CutterInChicago http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-26738 CutterInChicago Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:58:36 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-26738 To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me). <br>Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) .... that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend. <br>That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro) To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me).
Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) …. that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend.
That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro)

]]> By: CutterInChicago http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30834 CutterInChicago Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:58:36 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30834 To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me). <br>Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) .... that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend. <br>That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro) To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me).
Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) …. that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend.
That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro)

]]> By: CutterInChicago http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-2/#comment-30846 CutterInChicago Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:58:36 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30846 To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me). <br>Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) .... that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend. <br>That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro) To riff off of what MillaRed is saying. Knight, who I loved as a coach but could also appreciate was insane in many ways, screwed up and admits it. However, that apparently had no lasting impact on him (which is the bigger crimeto me).
Knight could have had Bird had he maybe been a little more accessible as many coaches are with their players. By my calculations this means that Bird, as the HS class of 1974 (same as Jim Wisman), would have been at Indiana from 74-75, 75-76, 76-77and 77-78. That means his JR and SR years would have overlapped with Mike Woodson's FR and SO years (Woody was there 76-77, 77-78) and Ray Tolbert's Freshman year (77-78) …. that boggles the mind (and as most know, the 76-77 IU team was not good but clearly would have benefited from Larry Legend.
That said, I'd have to back Oscar over Bird with my criteria being the overall body of work (HS-College-Pro)

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-23536 MillaRed Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:23:11 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-23536 This story goes round and round. The majority of the time the bloggers back the coach. Three titles will do that to the average fan.<br><br>Larry Bird took Indiana State...INDIANA STATE to the national title game. All by his lonesome. Knight had him on campus and he screwed it up. So we can make ourselves feel better by mentioning the titles and ripping on Bird. But at the end of the day this was an all-time NCAA basketball blunder. There just isn't a defense for it. Add a 6th if not 7th banner in the rafters if this guy stays on campus. This story goes round and round. The majority of the time the bloggers back the coach. Three titles will do that to the average fan.

Larry Bird took Indiana State…INDIANA STATE to the national title game. All by his lonesome. Knight had him on campus and he screwed it up. So we can make ourselves feel better by mentioning the titles and ripping on Bird. But at the end of the day this was an all-time NCAA basketball blunder. There just isn't a defense for it. Add a 6th if not 7th banner in the rafters if this guy stays on campus.

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-26737 MillaRed Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:23:11 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-26737 This story goes round and round. The majority of the time the bloggers back the coach. Three titles will do that to the average fan.<br><br>Larry Bird took Indiana State...INDIANA STATE to the national title game. All by his lonesome. Knight had him on campus and he screwed it up. So we can make ourselves feel better by mentioning the titles and ripping on Bird. But at the end of the day this was an all-time NCAA basketball blunder. There just isn't a defense for it. Add a 6th if not 7th banner in the rafters if this guy stays on campus. This story goes round and round. The majority of the time the bloggers back the coach. Three titles will do that to the average fan.

Larry Bird took Indiana State…INDIANA STATE to the national title game. All by his lonesome. Knight had him on campus and he screwed it up. So we can make ourselves feel better by mentioning the titles and ripping on Bird. But at the end of the day this was an all-time NCAA basketball blunder. There just isn't a defense for it. Add a 6th if not 7th banner in the rafters if this guy stays on campus.

]]> By: MillaRed http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/03/05/seth-davis-on-larry-bird-and-bobby-knight/comment-page-1/#comment-30833 MillaRed Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:23:11 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=2466#comment-30833 This story goes round and round. The majority of the time the bloggers back the coach. Three titles will do that to the average fan.<br><br>Larry Bird took Indiana State...INDIANA STATE to the national title game. All by his lonesome. Knight had him on campus and he screwed it up. So we can make ourselves feel better by mentioning the titles and ripping on Bird. But at the end of the day this was an all-time NCAA basketball blunder. There just isn't a defense for it. Add a 6th if not 7th banner in the rafters if this guy stays on campus. This story goes round and round. The majority of the time the bloggers back the coach. Three titles will do that to the average fan.

Larry Bird took Indiana State…INDIANA STATE to the national title game. All by his lonesome. Knight had him on campus and he screwed it up. So we can make ourselves feel better by mentioning the titles and ripping on Bird. But at the end of the day this was an all-time NCAA basketball blunder. There just isn't a defense for it. Add a 6th if not 7th banner in the rafters if this guy stays on campus.

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