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	<title>Comments on: Jeebus: IU punishes itself for extra recruiting call</title>
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		<title>By: CutterInChicago</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/02/25/iu-punishes-itself-for-extra-recruiting-call/comment-page-1/#comment-38887</link>
		<dc:creator>CutterInChicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peabody, love your name&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I agree with Taskmaster75, the ITH blog tends to be one of the more reasonable places to find discussion of IU hoops.  So far, I&#039;ve not seen anyone hammer on Crean and I doubt anyone will.  So far, no one is amped up on crap they&#039;ve read here (from what I&#039;ve seen)&lt;br&gt;IMO, the Sampson issue was, he was hired (somewhat inexplicably) with a history of over 500 impermissible calls, he then began to violate that same rule almost immediately upon arrival in Bloomington, and then threw IU under the bus after getting us in hot water with the NCAA.&lt;br&gt;Is the NCAA silly?  Yep.  Your points re: USC are valid and will likely go without a single sanction against them.  Is the phone call rule silly?  Yes and no.  As indicated below, it is designed to prevent perceived recruiting advantages to programs who employed the ol&#039; AT-5000 Autodialer to tell recruits how much they like them etc.  It seems a rule that is bound to trip people up in honest mistakes (i.e. a few extra phone calls in a week as opposed to hundreds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peabody, love your name</p>
<p>And I agree with Taskmaster75, the ITH blog tends to be one of the more reasonable places to find discussion of IU hoops.  So far, I&#39;ve not seen anyone hammer on Crean and I doubt anyone will.  So far, no one is amped up on crap they&#39;ve read here (from what I&#39;ve seen)<br />IMO, the Sampson issue was, he was hired (somewhat inexplicably) with a history of over 500 impermissible calls, he then began to violate that same rule almost immediately upon arrival in Bloomington, and then threw IU under the bus after getting us in hot water with the NCAA.<br />Is the NCAA silly?  Yep.  Your points re: USC are valid and will likely go without a single sanction against them.  Is the phone call rule silly?  Yes and no.  As indicated below, it is designed to prevent perceived recruiting advantages to programs who employed the ol&#39; AT-5000 Autodialer to tell recruits how much they like them etc.  It seems a rule that is bound to trip people up in honest mistakes (i.e. a few extra phone calls in a week as opposed to hundreds).</p>
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		<title>By: CutterInChicago</title>
		<link>http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/02/25/iu-punishes-itself-for-extra-recruiting-call/comment-page-1/#comment-23371</link>
		<dc:creator>CutterInChicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peabody, love your name&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I agree with Taskmaster75, the ITH blog tends to be one of the more reasonable places to find discussion of IU hoops.  So far, I&#039;ve not seen anyone hammer on Crean and I doubt anyone will.  So far, no one is amped up on crap they&#039;ve read here (from what I&#039;ve seen)&lt;br&gt;IMO, the Sampson issue was, he was hired (somewhat inexplicably) with a history of over 500 impermissible calls, he then began to violate that same rule almost immediately upon arrival in Bloomington, and then threw IU under the bus after getting us in hot water with the NCAA.&lt;br&gt;Is the NCAA silly?  Yep.  Your points re: USC are valid and will likely go without a single sanction against them.  Is the phone call rule silly?  Yes and no.  As indicated below, it is designed to prevent perceived recruiting advantages to programs who employed the ol&#039; AT-5000 Autodialer to tell recruits how much they like them etc.  It seems a rule that is bound to trip people up in honest mistakes (i.e. a few extra phone calls in a week as opposed to hundreds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peabody, love your name</p>
<p>And I agree with Taskmaster75, the ITH blog tends to be one of the more reasonable places to find discussion of IU hoops.  So far, I&#39;ve not seen anyone hammer on Crean and I doubt anyone will.  So far, no one is amped up on crap they&#39;ve read here (from what I&#39;ve seen)<br />IMO, the Sampson issue was, he was hired (somewhat inexplicably) with a history of over 500 impermissible calls, he then began to violate that same rule almost immediately upon arrival in Bloomington, and then threw IU under the bus after getting us in hot water with the NCAA.<br />Is the NCAA silly?  Yep.  Your points re: USC are valid and will likely go without a single sanction against them.  Is the phone call rule silly?  Yes and no.  As indicated below, it is designed to prevent perceived recruiting advantages to programs who employed the ol&#39; AT-5000 Autodialer to tell recruits how much they like them etc.  It seems a rule that is bound to trip people up in honest mistakes (i.e. a few extra phone calls in a week as opposed to hundreds).</p>
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		<title>By: MillaRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>MillaRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading through these entries and I don&#039;t see anyone attacking Crean. Just showing moderate concern under the circumstances. Perhaps I missed something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m reading through these entries and I don&#39;t see anyone attacking Crean. Just showing moderate concern under the circumstances. Perhaps I missed something?</p>
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		<title>By: Taskmaster75</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taskmaster75</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should probably read some of the comments here before you say we are going overboard, because I am pretty sure that most of the people here are intelligent enough not to overreact.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, I agree, the NCAA is the root of the problem here, and for the exact reason you said, inconsistency. They choose to punish us for phone calls, while OJ mayo and Reggie Bush have a grand old time in SoCal. It&#039;s really stupid, and I think that the fact that we weren&#039;t one of the top teams in the NCAA and USC had great football and college teams had something to do with it, but that&#039;s just me, the conspirator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should probably read some of the comments here before you say we are going overboard, because I am pretty sure that most of the people here are intelligent enough not to overreact.</p>
<p>Now, I agree, the NCAA is the root of the problem here, and for the exact reason you said, inconsistency. They choose to punish us for phone calls, while OJ mayo and Reggie Bush have a grand old time in SoCal. It&#39;s really stupid, and I think that the fact that we weren&#39;t one of the top teams in the NCAA and USC had great football and college teams had something to do with it, but that&#39;s just me, the conspirator.</p>
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		<title>By: CoveyDale</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoveyDale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i loved that site.</description>
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		<title>By: BGleas</title>
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		<dc:creator>BGleas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the phone call rule is not nearly the worst rule being broken in college basketball, but I also don&#039;t have a huge problem with the rule itself. I think Crean&#039;s mistake here was exactly that, a mistake, not some effort to circumvent the rules.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back to the phone call rule, I think you need to take into account that if Sampson is calling recruits way above the limit, and he&#039;s probably not the only coach doing it, then how many phone calls is a recruit/high school kid getting in a week? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I played college basketball at the D2 level and I remember in high school most nights I would go to my girlfriends house in the evening just so I didn&#039;t have to be on the phone half the night. Sunday&#039;s were the worst since it started a new week and coaches wanted to be the first to call you, and like I said I played D2, so I was by no means some major recruit. I can&#039;t imagine what it&#039;s like for some major D1 recruit getting 30 calls a night. Just a different angle to think about when discussing this rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the phone call rule is not nearly the worst rule being broken in college basketball, but I also don&#39;t have a huge problem with the rule itself. I think Crean&#39;s mistake here was exactly that, a mistake, not some effort to circumvent the rules.</p>
<p>Back to the phone call rule, I think you need to take into account that if Sampson is calling recruits way above the limit, and he&#39;s probably not the only coach doing it, then how many phone calls is a recruit/high school kid getting in a week? </p>
<p>I played college basketball at the D2 level and I remember in high school most nights I would go to my girlfriends house in the evening just so I didn&#39;t have to be on the phone half the night. Sunday&#39;s were the worst since it started a new week and coaches wanted to be the first to call you, and like I said I played D2, so I was by no means some major recruit. I can&#39;t imagine what it&#39;s like for some major D1 recruit getting 30 calls a night. Just a different angle to think about when discussing this rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Peabody Tizzlecut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peabody Tizzlecut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess we are going to start hammering Tom Crean now like we did Kelvin, once again this is further proof how overboard ITH and alot of fans went when they hammered Kelvin as bad as they did, did he mess up? Sure, but the NCAA chose to throw us to the wolves while Pete Carroll sits out at USC cheating all day long and in much worse ways than a couple phone calls. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Im still waiting on the NCAA to react to the Reggie Bush COURT CASE, where he and his family got a house, money, plane tickets and much more. How bad does a rule violation have to be to go to a federal court, all the while the NCAA chosses to ignore the alligations and let Pete get away with recruiting murder. But we make some phone calls and we go from a possible final four team to outed in the first round to playing 9 freshman the next year. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You people need to wake up and direct your anger at the real culpret here, the NCAA and stop getting amped about the crap you read on blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess we are going to start hammering Tom Crean now like we did Kelvin, once again this is further proof how overboard ITH and alot of fans went when they hammered Kelvin as bad as they did, did he mess up? Sure, but the NCAA chose to throw us to the wolves while Pete Carroll sits out at USC cheating all day long and in much worse ways than a couple phone calls. </p>
<p>Im still waiting on the NCAA to react to the Reggie Bush COURT CASE, where he and his family got a house, money, plane tickets and much more. How bad does a rule violation have to be to go to a federal court, all the while the NCAA chosses to ignore the alligations and let Pete get away with recruiting murder. But we make some phone calls and we go from a possible final four team to outed in the first round to playing 9 freshman the next year. </p>
<p>You people need to wake up and direct your anger at the real culpret here, the NCAA and stop getting amped about the crap you read on blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: BFowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>BFowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a little more going on during the Sampson year/s than just phone calls (although there were way too many for Mr. Brand&#039;s taste).  Let&#039;s compare apples to apples, but I will say this is absolutely the LAST thing I wanted to hear....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a little more going on during the Sampson year/s than just phone calls (although there were way too many for Mr. Brand&#39;s taste).  Let&#39;s compare apples to apples, but I will say this is absolutely the LAST thing I wanted to hear&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BFowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>BFowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a little more going on during the Sampson year/s than just phone calls (although there were way too many for Mr. Brand&#039;s taste).  Let&#039;s compare apples to apples, but I will say this is absolutely the LAST thing I wanted to hear....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a little more going on during the Sampson year/s than just phone calls (although there were way too many for Mr. Brand&#39;s taste).  Let&#39;s compare apples to apples, but I will say this is absolutely the LAST thing I wanted to hear&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tnhoosierfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tnhoosierfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure ESPN and the Indy star will make a big deal out of it. I really do not care if coach Crean or his staff made a mistakes, it happens. No funny business going on like there was with Sampson and his cronies. If you dug a bit and looked at others schools you would find that this happens alot. I believe coach Crean plays by the rules and am not worried about it a bit. I for one am looking forward to next season and am excited about the future of IU bball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure ESPN and the Indy star will make a big deal out of it. I really do not care if coach Crean or his staff made a mistakes, it happens. No funny business going on like there was with Sampson and his cronies. If you dug a bit and looked at others schools you would find that this happens alot. I believe coach Crean plays by the rules and am not worried about it a bit. I for one am looking forward to next season and am excited about the future of IU bball!</p>
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