Open thread: Will IU win again this season?

It’s been a good start to the week here at ITH: Ryan’s rebuttal of the totally off-base Deadspin piece, Bawa Muniru chatter, Dominique Keller’s apparent hatred for IU and continuation of the EJ media tour. With another off day for our Hoosiers before Thursday’s home tilt with the Badgers, it’s time to open it up and get your take on a few topics.

+ Will IU win another regular season game? (For those of you without a pocket schedule handy, here are the remaining games: vs Wisconsin, at Purdue, vs Northwestern, at Penn State, vs Michigan State and at Wisconsin.)

+ A preseason poll, in which 1,021 of you voted, showed that 73% believed that IU would win 11 or more games this season. Looking back on that poll, were you A) wearing your cream and crimson sunglasses which clouded your vision and led you to believe IU would be better than this? or B) realistic with your expectations, but IU has underachieved.

+ And finally, when will Devan Dumes play again? Will it be tomorrow against Wisconsin? Or is he due another game on the pine?

Happy Wednesday.

  • GoIU30

    I would say out of the remaining games left we could win possibly two (Wisconsin, Northwestern). Obviously it helps that those games are at home and I would argue those two teams are not dramatically more athletic than us, which if you look back on it give us the most problems. However, I don't see us winning either. I just don't think we can finish yet (other than Iowa, and we all agree that we sort of hung on to at the end). So no, I don't think we will win another regular season game, but I do think we will be competitive for the most part and I still love watching this team.

    As far as the preseason poll, I voted for 11 or more games and not sure if it was either A or B. I just didn't know what we were getting into and didn't know what to expect from this team. I took a shot in the dark at 11, but again I had no idea what to expect considering no team has ever gone through this before. So maybe a little of A and I was just hoping, but most importantly I wanted improvement throughout the season and I feel that has happened. I don't know if I could have said that throughout the Sampson and Davis era (other than the championship game year). So I take that as a positive and something to look forward too.

    I think Dumes plays tomorrow against Wisconsin. I think you could argue he is due another game on the pine for not only what he did in the MSU game, but also the Northwestern game and the fact he was benched to start the game at Illinois for showing up late. If he sits another game I definitely would support that decision but I get the feeling that he plays against Wisconsin.

  • GoIU30

    I would say out of the remaining games left we could win possibly two (Wisconsin, Northwestern). Obviously it helps that those games are at home and I would argue those two teams are not dramatically more athletic than us, which if you look back on it give us the most problems. However, I don't see us winning either. I just don't think we can finish yet (other than Iowa, and we all agree that we sort of hung on to at the end). So no, I don't think we will win another regular season game, but I do think we will be competitive for the most part and I still love watching this team.

    As far as the preseason poll, I voted for 11 or more games and not sure if it was either A or B. I just didn't know what we were getting into and didn't know what to expect from this team. I took a shot in the dark at 11, but again I had no idea what to expect considering no team has ever gone through this before. So maybe a little of A and I was just hoping, but most importantly I wanted improvement throughout the season and I feel that has happened. I don't know if I could have said that throughout the Sampson and Davis era (other than the championship game year). So I take that as a positive and something to look forward too.

    I think Dumes plays tomorrow against Wisconsin. I think you could argue he is due another game on the pine for not only what he did in the MSU game, but also the Northwestern game and the fact he was benched to start the game at Illinois for showing up late. If he sits another game I definitely would support that decision but I get the feeling that he plays against Wisconsin.

  • Hardwood83

    I think IU wins one more game, most likely UW or NW at home. I also thought 11-12 wins was realistic. I assumed wins against Lipscomb & N'eastern and a couple more B10 wins. That wasn't too far-fetched but I guess they have underachieved some, but it was a shot in the dark since no one knew what we had. I think 2 games is enough for Dumes- if he's got the right attitude about it. They have improved and I'll be content if that continues.

  • Hardwood83

    I think IU wins one more game, most likely UW or NW at home. I also thought 11-12 wins was realistic. I assumed wins against Lipscomb & N'eastern and a couple more B10 wins. That wasn't too far-fetched but I guess they have underachieved some, but it was a shot in the dark since no one knew what we had. I think 2 games is enough for Dumes- if he's got the right attitude about it. They have improved and I'll be content if that continues.

  • Hoosier_Hound

    I always have an expectation of IU to win, even this year, otherwise why even watch the games? The NU game at home is obviously a prime opportunity, but tomorrow's game against Wisconsin is a good chance, too.

    As far as the poll goes, I don't remember how I voted. But I would guess that I assumed the team could beat Northeastern and Lipscomb. I also have been hoping that they win 3-4 Big Ten games, which I figured would all be at home. But lastly, it's not like they aren't a few breaks and made free throws away from that record. So many of the losses have been by such slim margins.

    After the Michigan State game I said it would be a two game suspension if I was coaching. So to me it would all depend on his attitude over the past week as to whether or not he plays against Wisconsin. If he's straightened up then bring him off the bench, if not then sit him in street clothes again.

  • Hoosier_Hound

    I always have an expectation of IU to win, even this year, otherwise why even watch the games? The NU game at home is obviously a prime opportunity, but tomorrow's game against Wisconsin is a good chance, too.

    As far as the poll goes, I don't remember how I voted. But I would guess that I assumed the team could beat Northeastern and Lipscomb. I also have been hoping that they win 3-4 Big Ten games, which I figured would all be at home. But lastly, it's not like they aren't a few breaks and made free throws away from that record. So many of the losses have been by such slim margins.

    After the Michigan State game I said it would be a two game suspension if I was coaching. So to me it would all depend on his attitude over the past week as to whether or not he plays against Wisconsin. If he's straightened up then bring him off the bench, if not then sit him in street clothes again.

  • BFowler

    I voted as the 11 win area because I thought Northeastern and Lipscomb would be W's (which would take us to 8) I did not believe in Bruce Weber's coaching abilities enough, so I penciled in a win at home (Sunday, which would have put us at 9). I thought we would win against NW at home (next week, 10), and I thought we could coax one more win (other than Iowa at home) at Assembly Hall that would be a surprise (i.e. – Wisconsin, Michigan [almost], or Ohio State [somewhat close], 11) or a surprise opening round win in the B10 tournament. That is how I got to 11. I would say that they have been awfully close (see NW at NW, Mich and home, etc.) to eeking out a couple more wins and I think everyone expected the two home wins non-conference, so I would say they have underacheived in the win column, but not on the floor neccessarily, and certainly, not in the effort area.

    As Coach Crean has said all along, Dumes suspension is an internal thing, but I would expect to see him on the floor tomorrow.

  • BFowler

    I voted as the 11 win area because I thought Northeastern and Lipscomb would be W's (which would take us to 8) I did not believe in Bruce Weber's coaching abilities enough, so I penciled in a win at home (Sunday, which would have put us at 9). I thought we would win against NW at home (next week, 10), and I thought we could coax one more win (other than Iowa at home) at Assembly Hall that would be a surprise (i.e. – Wisconsin, Michigan [almost], or Ohio State [somewhat close], 11) or a surprise opening round win in the B10 tournament. That is how I got to 11. I would say that they have been awfully close (see NW at NW, Mich and home, etc.) to eeking out a couple more wins and I think everyone expected the two home wins non-conference, so I would say they have underacheived in the win column, but not on the floor neccessarily, and certainly, not in the effort area.

    As Coach Crean has said all along, Dumes suspension is an internal thing, but I would expect to see him on the floor tomorrow.

  • MillaRed

    I'm sure many of us were clinging on to hope more than anything. I also expected a few more pre-season wins. After watching us thus far, I now realize the fact we are competing at all is impressive. How many 18-19 year olds do we have out there facing 22-23 year olds every game? Crean's done a great job. The nay-sayers were looking for 20 point blowouts every week and that didn't happen. I say we get one more win. Perhaps in the Big Ten Tourney.

    Dumes has been through enough. Bring him off the bench tomorrow. That's two games served and one non-start. It's time to move on.

  • MillaRed

    I'm sure many of us were clinging on to hope more than anything. I also expected a few more pre-season wins. After watching us thus far, I now realize the fact we are competing at all is impressive. How many 18-19 year olds do we have out there facing 22-23 year olds every game? Crean's done a great job. The nay-sayers were looking for 20 point blowouts every week and that didn't happen. I say we get one more win. Perhaps in the Big Ten Tourney.

    Dumes has been through enough. Bring him off the bench tomorrow. That's two games served and one non-start. It's time to move on.

  • jg

    I thought we would win 10 to 11 games as well. I mean c'mon 'it's Indiana!' I agree with what a few of you have already said. I go into every IU basketball season with the mindset we should win every game we play. Otherwise why would I care to watch? I do think we have underachieved a little bit, but its not because of coaching. The loss to Lipscomb was the low point this season. The loss to Michigan drained the last of the hope that this season and team wasn't that bad.
    We have lost plenty of games this year by such a small margin and for all different reasons. I have never seen anything like it. I think in the end we all did not know what this team would be like this year. We are all use to kids coming to IU to play that have the required talent to be here. However, this year we have don't have a team that can combine the talent, put 5 guys on the floor at the same time, and the result is that they make each other better players. We have been without the correct puzzle pieces this year. But the fault lies with no one currently with this program. We have been trying to jam the pieces to fit all season. I think we beat Wisconsin and Northwestern. But lose in the first round in the B10 tourney.
    Dumes will be back next game.
    I can't wait for next season.

  • jg

    I thought we would win 10 to 11 games as well. I mean c'mon 'it's Indiana!' I agree with what a few of you have already said. I go into every IU basketball season with the mindset we should win every game we play. Otherwise why would I care to watch? I do think we have underachieved a little bit, but its not because of coaching. The loss to Lipscomb was the low point this season. The loss to Michigan drained the last of the hope that this season and team wasn't that bad.
    We have lost plenty of games this year by such a small margin and for all different reasons. I have never seen anything like it. I think in the end we all did not know what this team would be like this year. We are all use to kids coming to IU to play that have the required talent to be here. However, this year we have don't have a team that can combine the talent, put 5 guys on the floor at the same time, and the result is that they make each other better players. We have been without the correct puzzle pieces this year. But the fault lies with no one currently with this program. We have been trying to jam the pieces to fit all season. I think we beat Wisconsin and Northwestern. But lose in the first round in the B10 tourney.
    Dumes will be back next game.
    I can't wait for next season.

  • Ryan W

    IU is still going to win 11!

  • Ryan W

    IU is still going to win 11!

  • MikeyD

    If he is back he should start. He is a starter. He has been through enough, I agree.

  • aerialM

    I remember feeling optimistic at the season's start for 10/11 wins…until I read Pat Forde's “if they win 10 in Bloomington this year, they're going to hang a banner in Assembly Hall”bit and that brought me back to earth. Like most, I counted Lipscomb and Northeastern as w's but I also counted a loss against either TCU or Cornell, so in a way, “they are who we (I) thought they were.” I still feel we win one more, either wisc. or northwestern…and dumes plays thursday.

  • cooper

    I don't think I picked them to win 11 but I thought that was pessimistic so I'm somewhat suprised but I just don't think there are many even decent players. I think its obvious by the fact alot of mistakes don't improve where talented teams would improve with good coaching. I think maybe Wisconsin at home, they seem horrible this year, but IU isn't winning another game or coming close until Dumes plays. He is their best player, especially with how Pritchard has fallen off. A two game suspension was a joke, it should have been one at most.

  • JerryCT

    KS State player elbows and slaps a player last weekend and gets 1 game so far. DUmes NEEDS to play if for no other reason than we need to see if he learned from sitting on the pine. We will not know until he plays.

    We have improved but so has every other team in the league . We may have improved more than the other teams but still not enough to beat them. OSU to me has improved the most with UI 2nd.

  • GoIU30

    I would say out of the remaining games left we could win possibly two (Wisconsin, Northwestern). Obviously it helps that those games are at home and I would argue those two teams are not dramatically more athletic than us, which if you look back on it give us the most problems. However, I don't see us winning either. I just don't think we can finish yet (other than Iowa, and we all agree that we sort of hung on to at the end). So no, I don't think we will win another regular season game, but I do think we will be competitive for the most part and I still love watching this team.

    As far as the preseason poll, I voted for 11 or more games and not sure if it was either A or B. I just didn't know what we were getting into and didn't know what to expect from this team. I took a shot in the dark at 11, but again I had no idea what to expect considering no team has ever gone through this before. So maybe a little of A and I was just hoping, but most importantly I wanted improvement throughout the season and I feel that has happened. I don't know if I could have said that throughout the Sampson and Davis era (other than the championship game year). So I take that as a positive and something to look forward too.

    I think Dumes plays tomorrow against Wisconsin. I think you could argue he is due another game on the pine for not only what he did in the MSU game, but also the Northwestern game and the fact he was benched to start the game at Illinois for showing up late. If he sits another game I definitely would support that decision but I get the feeling that he plays against Wisconsin.

  • Hardwood83

    I think IU wins one more game, most likely UW or NW at home. I also thought 11-12 wins was realistic. I assumed wins against Lipscomb & N'eastern and a couple more B10 wins. That wasn't too far-fetched but I guess they have underachieved some, but it was a shot in the dark since no one knew what we had. I think 2 games is enough for Dumes- if he's got the right attitude about it. They have improved and I'll be content if that continues.

  • Hoosier_Hound

    I always have an expectation of IU to win, even this year, otherwise why even watch the games? The NU game at home is obviously a prime opportunity, but tomorrow's game against Wisconsin is a good chance, too.

    As far as the poll goes, I don't remember how I voted. But I would guess that I assumed the team could beat Northeastern and Lipscomb. I also have been hoping that they win 3-4 Big Ten games, which I figured would all be at home. But lastly, it's not like they aren't a few breaks and made free throws away from that record. So many of the losses have been by such slim margins.

    After the Michigan State game I said it would be a two game suspension if I was coaching. So to me it would all depend on his attitude over the past week as to whether or not he plays against Wisconsin. If he's straightened up then bring him off the bench, if not then sit him in street clothes again.

  • BFowler

    I voted as the 11 win area because I thought Northeastern and Lipscomb would be W's (which would take us to 8) I did not believe in Bruce Weber's coaching abilities enough, so I penciled in a win at home (Sunday, which would have put us at 9). I thought we would win against NW at home (next week, 10), and I thought we could coax one more win (other than Iowa at home) at Assembly Hall that would be a surprise (i.e. – Wisconsin, Michigan [almost], or Ohio State [somewhat close], 11) or a surprise opening round win in the B10 tournament. That is how I got to 11. I would say that they have been awfully close (see NW at NW, Mich and home, etc.) to eeking out a couple more wins and I think everyone expected the two home wins non-conference, so I would say they have underacheived in the win column, but not on the floor neccessarily, and certainly, not in the effort area.

    As Coach Crean has said all along, Dumes suspension is an internal thing, but I would expect to see him on the floor tomorrow.

  • MillaRed

    I'm sure many of us were clinging on to hope more than anything. I also expected a few more pre-season wins. After watching us thus far, I now realize the fact we are competing at all is impressive. How many 18-19 year olds do we have out there facing 22-23 year olds every game? Crean's done a great job. The nay-sayers were looking for 20 point blowouts every week and that didn't happen. I say we get one more win. Perhaps in the Big Ten Tourney.

    Dumes has been through enough. Bring him off the bench tomorrow. That's two games served and one non-start. It's time to move on.

  • jg

    I thought we would win 10 to 11 games as well. I mean c'mon 'it's Indiana!' I agree with what a few of you have already said. I go into every IU basketball season with the mindset we should win every game we play. Otherwise why would I care to watch? I do think we have underachieved a little bit, but its not because of coaching. The loss to Lipscomb was the low point this season. The loss to Michigan drained the last of the hope that this season and team wasn't that bad.
    We have lost plenty of games this year by such a small margin and for all different reasons. I have never seen anything like it. I think in the end we all did not know what this team would be like this year. We are all use to kids coming to IU to play that have the required talent to be here. However, this year we have don't have a team that can combine the talent, put 5 guys on the floor at the same time, and the result is that they make each other better players. We have been without the correct puzzle pieces this year. But the fault lies with no one currently with this program. We have been trying to jam the pieces to fit all season. I think we beat Wisconsin and Northwestern. But lose in the first round in the B10 tourney.
    Dumes will be back next game.
    I can't wait for next season.

  • Ryan W

    IU is still going to win 11!

  • MikeyD

    If he is back he should start. He is a starter. He has been through enough, I agree.

  • aerialM

    I remember feeling optimistic at the season's start for 10/11 wins…until I read Pat Forde's “if they win 10 in Bloomington this year, they're going to hang a banner in Assembly Hall”bit and that brought me back to earth. Like most, I counted Lipscomb and Northeastern as w's but I also counted a loss against either TCU or Cornell, so in a way, “they are who we (I) thought they were.” I still feel we win one more, either wisc. or northwestern…and dumes plays thursday.

  • cooper

    I don't think I picked them to win 11 but I thought that was pessimistic so I'm somewhat suprised but I just don't think there are many even decent players. I think its obvious by the fact alot of mistakes don't improve where talented teams would improve with good coaching. I think maybe Wisconsin at home, they seem horrible this year, but IU isn't winning another game or coming close until Dumes plays. He is their best player, especially with how Pritchard has fallen off. A two game suspension was a joke, it should have been one at most.

  • JerryCT

    KS State player elbows and slaps a player last weekend and gets 1 game so far. DUmes NEEDS to play if for no other reason than we need to see if he learned from sitting on the pine. We will not know until he plays.

    We have improved but so has every other team in the league . We may have improved more than the other teams but still not enough to beat them. OSU to me has improved the most with UI 2nd.

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