Comments on: One thing IU ranks high in? Creating turnovers. http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:16:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BobbyDigital http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-39135 BobbyDigital Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:55:25 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-39135 hahahahaha. Well played. I am really having trouble picturing the teams who ranked lower than us in some of those categories. Eastern Washington Wesleyan A&M? hahahahaha. Well played. I am really having trouble picturing the teams who ranked lower than us in some of those categories. Eastern Washington Wesleyan A&M?

]]> By: Bryan http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-39134 Bryan Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:13:18 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-39134 The numbers on Pomeroy's site bear that out, actually. The turnover rate stat (% of a player's possessions result in turnovers) for Moore is 43.1%. VJ is at 26.9%, and Pomeroy says that point guards usually fall around 20 - 25%, due to the high number of possessions that they have the ball. I know VJ's overall playing time has been limited by injury, but it does seem like things are steadier when he's at the point.<br><br>The only caveat is that according to another stat, assist rate (which tracks the number of assists made while a player is in the game), Moore grades much higher than anyone on the team, so do you trade off more turnovers in order to get better offensive movement during the non-turnover possessions, or do you take slightly better ball control with less offensive movement? The numbers on Pomeroy's site bear that out, actually. The turnover rate stat (% of a player's possessions result in turnovers) for Moore is 43.1%. VJ is at 26.9%, and Pomeroy says that point guards usually fall around 20 – 25%, due to the high number of possessions that they have the ball. I know VJ's overall playing time has been limited by injury, but it does seem like things are steadier when he's at the point.

The only caveat is that according to another stat, assist rate (which tracks the number of assists made while a player is in the game), Moore grades much higher than anyone on the team, so do you trade off more turnovers in order to get better offensive movement during the non-turnover possessions, or do you take slightly better ball control with less offensive movement?

]]> By: cooper http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-39138 cooper Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:06:47 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-39138 I take back the we...I have created no turnovers nor have I scored off any of them and hate when people use "we" that way....therefore I hate myself right now I take back the we…I have created no turnovers nor have I scored off any of them and hate when people use “we” that way….therefore I hate myself right now

]]> By: cooper http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-39137 cooper Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:03:22 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-39137 What is the stat for Points off Turnovers? Creating turnovers is good but it really only matters if you are scoring off of those turnovers we are creating What is the stat for Points off Turnovers? Creating turnovers is good but it really only matters if you are scoring off of those turnovers we are creating

]]> By: bkust5 http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-39136 bkust5 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:53:29 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-39136 It's from the charges IU gets from all their flops.<br><br>And let's not discount this as a non-conference thing as IU's SOS heading into Big ten play was in the top 40 It's from the charges IU gets from all their flops.

And let's not discount this as a non-conference thing as IU's SOS heading into Big ten play was in the top 40

]]> By: bkust5 http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-67208 bkust5 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:52:00 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-67208 It's the charge calls that IU gets from floppin all the time. And let's not discount this as non-conference as IU's SOS is in the top 40 heading into Big 10 play. It’s the charge calls that IU gets from floppin all the time.

And let’s not discount this as non-conference as IU’s SOS is in the top 40 heading into Big 10 play.

]]> By: BobbyDigital http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22021 BobbyDigital Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:55:25 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22021 hahahahaha. Well played. I am really having trouble picturing the teams who ranked lower than us in some of those categories. Eastern Washington Wesleyan A&M? hahahahaha. Well played. I am really having trouble picturing the teams who ranked lower than us in some of those categories. Eastern Washington Wesleyan A&M?

]]> By: Bryan http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22020 Bryan Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:13:18 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22020 The numbers on Pomeroy's site bear that out, actually. The turnover rate stat (% of a player's possessions result in turnovers) for Moore is 43.1%. VJ is at 26.9%, and Pomeroy says that point guards usually fall around 20 - 25%, due to the high number of possessions that they have the ball. I know VJ's overall playing time has been limited by injury, but it does seem like things are steadier when he's at the point.<br><br>The only caveat is that according to another stat, assist rate (which tracks the number of assists made while a player is in the game), Moore grades much higher than anyone on the team, so do you trade off more turnovers in order to get better offensive movement during the non-turnover possessions, or do you take slightly better ball control with less offensive movement? The numbers on Pomeroy's site bear that out, actually. The turnover rate stat (% of a player's possessions result in turnovers) for Moore is 43.1%. VJ is at 26.9%, and Pomeroy says that point guards usually fall around 20 – 25%, due to the high number of possessions that they have the ball. I know VJ's overall playing time has been limited by injury, but it does seem like things are steadier when he's at the point.

The only caveat is that according to another stat, assist rate (which tracks the number of assists made while a player is in the game), Moore grades much higher than anyone on the team, so do you trade off more turnovers in order to get better offensive movement during the non-turnover possessions, or do you take slightly better ball control with less offensive movement?

]]> By: cooper http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22019 cooper Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:06:47 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22019 I take back the we...I have created no turnovers nor have I scored off any of them and hate when people use "we" that way....therefore I hate myself right now I take back the we…I have created no turnovers nor have I scored off any of them and hate when people use “we” that way….therefore I hate myself right now

]]> By: cooper http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22018 cooper Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:03:22 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22018 What is the stat for Points off Turnovers? Creating turnovers is good but it really only matters if you are scoring off of those turnovers we are creating What is the stat for Points off Turnovers? Creating turnovers is good but it really only matters if you are scoring off of those turnovers we are creating

]]> By: bkust5 http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22017 bkust5 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:53:29 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22017 It's from the charges IU gets from all their flops.<br><br>And let's not discount this as a non-conference thing as IU's SOS heading into Big ten play was in the top 40 It's from the charges IU gets from all their flops.

And let's not discount this as a non-conference thing as IU's SOS heading into Big ten play was in the top 40

]]> By: ChronicHoosier http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22014 ChronicHoosier Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:43:23 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22014 I noticed this about a month ago when looking at our TO's and the points they've cost us and found it strange. I noticed this about a month ago when looking at our TO's and the points they've cost us and found it strange.

]]> By: Hoosier_Hound http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22013 Hoosier_Hound Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:27:58 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22013 Ha. I just noticed the picture and it made me chuckle. Ha. I just noticed the picture and it made me chuckle.

]]> By: Hoosier_Hound http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22012 Hoosier_Hound Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:26:08 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22012 I've said it before, and Iowa was a good example of this phenomenon, but in many games they've managed to make the other team play as shitty as they do. How this occurs and whether it will continue is beyond me. One thing is for certain though, it is horrific to watch. I've said it before, and Iowa was a good example of this phenomenon, but in many games they've managed to make the other team play as shitty as they do. How this occurs and whether it will continue is beyond me. One thing is for certain though, it is horrific to watch.

]]> By: Eamonn http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22011 Eamonn Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:10:24 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22011 That actually makes perfect sense, and it jibes with what mine eyes have seen all season. It also follows that teams can afford to be less careful with the ball against Indiana, and so they are -- the games aren't tightly contested matchups but more similar, for top-tier teams, to some sort of JV scrimmage. Sloppy begets sloppy. <br><br>Great work, R. That actually makes perfect sense, and it jibes with what mine eyes have seen all season. It also follows that teams can afford to be less careful with the ball against Indiana, and so they are — the games aren't tightly contested matchups but more similar, for top-tier teams, to some sort of JV scrimmage. Sloppy begets sloppy.

Great work, R.

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/01/06/one-thing-iu-ranks-high-in-creating-turnovers/comment-page-1/#comment-22009 Kelin Blab Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:48:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/?p=1898#comment-22009 These numbers are a little bit scary when you sit a stare at them for a moment. I know they are freshmen but at what point do the numbers start to decrease. Just from watching I think it ihas been a little better with VJ at point guard....I think These numbers are a little bit scary when you sit a stare at them for a moment. I know they are freshmen but at what point do the numbers start to decrease. Just from watching I think it ihas been a little better with VJ at point guard….I think

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