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So, about DeMarcus Cousins, Jeff Withey and the scholarship situation…

by in Recruiting | December 15th, 2008

Believe it or not, from time to time, some of you email and ask us to address something in this very space. And that’s exactly what I’m going to do with an email I got early this evening from John, who asked about the possibility of Jeff Withey or DeMarcus Cousins (pictured) coming to IU and the scholarship situation beyond this year.

Let’s start with Withey and Cousins. Withey, a 7-0 freshman at Arizona, announced his intentions to transfer shortly after Lute Olsen’s resignation. Arizona initially refused the request, but granted permission last Tuesday. Shortly after being given his release, the San Diego native named a list of eight schools he would consider and IU was among the possibilities.

Cousins is the No. 2 player in the 2009 class and originally committed to UAB. (Cousins transferred this season to LeFlore, the same school that produced current Indiana guard Nick Williams.) After UAB refused to guarantee him a release if Mike Davis is removed as coach, Cousins decided to open his recruitment back up. According to a recent statement by LeFlore coach Otis Hughley, IU is one of many schools to inquire about Cousins.

Obviously, Tom Crean would be doing himself an injustice if he didn’t pursue a player like Withey or Cousins. It’s impossible to predict the decision of an 18 or 19 year-old kid, but it would seem unlikely that either kid will come to IU and it’s not because Indiana is over-signed by one already for the 2009 class. If a high caliber player wants to come to your program, you figure out a way to get it done. In Withey’s case, there are seven other schools he’ll consider and to my knowledge, he’s never been on campus in Bloomington.

In the case of Cousins, two things stand out. There is still a possibility he’ll end up at UAB if Mike Davis remains the coach beyond this season. If Cousins opts to go somewhere besides Birmingham, the school to beat is Memphis and John Calipari with no shortage of schools jockeying for position right behind the Tigers. If you haven’t noticed, beating out Memphis for a recruit is no small feat.

Onto the scholarship situation … This seems to be a hot topic. Yes, Indiana has already exceeded its allotted scholarship limit for next season. This leads to the following question being asked frequently (in several different wording variations) on just about every IU related Web site: With IU already at 14 scholarship players for next season, does that mean someone will have to leave and who is leaving?

The answers: Yes, someone will likely leave the program and nobody knows who. Anyone who says they know who is leaving at this point is speculating. And while the season is playing out, it’s not fair to throw out names of guys that might look elsewhere. But if you look at the incoming class and the depth at a couple of positions, it’s fairly easy to see who could be on the short end of the stick when it comes to PT.

  • Kelin Blab

    That is what my thoughts are on who may be asked to leave or who chooses to leave. Unfortunately this is college basketball and this is what we have to deal with, under these circumstances but it is what it is…..Sampson had kids leave when he came in.

    Good stuff

    And it may not be just ONE kid leaving or asked to leave……….

  • Kelin Blab

    That is what my thoughts are on who may be asked to leave or who chooses to leave. Unfortunately this is college basketball and this is what we have to deal with, under these circumstances but it is what it is…..Sampson had kids leave when he came in.

    Good stuff

    And it may not be just ONE kid leaving or asked to leave……….

  • Kelin Blab

    That is what my thoughts are on who may be asked to leave or who chooses to leave. Unfortunately this is college basketball and this is what we have to deal with, under these circumstances but it is what it is…..Sampson had kids leave when he came in.

    Good stuff

    And it may not be just ONE kid leaving or asked to leave……….

  • AlumnInFL

    Some students and most fans forget, scholarships are not birth rights, nor are they promised for four years. Scholarships are one year renewable contracts. Scholarships are pulled all the time in lower tier sports and nobody hears about it (until you date some girl three years later who reminds you constantly how unfair her college coach was, and how the coach ruined her life. Not that I have experience). Sometimes you have to break hearts. It's worth breaking hearts for a 7 footer.

  • AlumnInFL

    Some students and most fans forget, scholarships are not birth rights, nor are they promised for four years. Scholarships are one year renewable contracts. Scholarships are pulled all the time in lower tier sports and nobody hears about it (until you date some girl three years later who reminds you constantly how unfair her college coach was, and how the coach ruined her life. Not that I have experience). Sometimes you have to break hearts. It's worth breaking hearts for a 7 footer.

  • AlumnInFL

    Some students and most fans forget, scholarships are not birth rights, nor are they promised for four years. Scholarships are one year renewable contracts. Scholarships are pulled all the time in lower tier sports and nobody hears about it (until you date some girl three years later who reminds you constantly how unfair her college coach was, and how the coach ruined her life. Not that I have experience). Sometimes you have to break hearts. It's worth breaking hearts for a 7 footer.

  • Taskmaster75

    I would be willing to pay any price to get either of these, especially Cousins. I really don't want to speculate who would leave. That would be unfair to the players who actually try but just don't have the talent. For now, let's see if they have any interest in the first place.

  • Taskmaster75

    I would be willing to pay any price to get either of these, especially Cousins. I really don't want to speculate who would leave. That would be unfair to the players who actually try but just don't have the talent. For now, let's see if they have any interest in the first place.

  • Taskmaster75

    I would be willing to pay any price to get either of these, especially Cousins. I really don't want to speculate who would leave. That would be unfair to the players who actually try but just don't have the talent. For now, let's see if they have any interest in the first place.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Any price? I wouldn't go that far.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Any price? I wouldn't go that far.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Any price? I wouldn't go that far.

  • dale11

    yeah, look how far that got us the last 2 years…

  • dale11

    yeah, look how far that got us the last 2 years…

  • dale11

    yeah, look how far that got us the last 2 years…

  • JerryCT

    Actually I think it hurts us in the long run with recruiting if DO NOT to stick by our commitments. Word travels fast in basketball recruiting and this will be used against us by other coaches. I can hear it now ” so how sure are you they will keep you on scholarship if a better player appears to show up on their radar ?”. I think this is very dangerous.

    I would prefer other options to free up space and I think there are a few options.

    After watching the video of Withey I think he is at a level we don't have this year or next year or have had in many years. Very impressive movement for 7' . The video showed alot of defense too which I liked alot compared to all of these open jump shot and uncontested dunk videos. It is truly worth a big time effort to figure this out.

  • JerryCT

    Actually I think it hurts us in the long run with recruiting if DO NOT to stick by our commitments. Word travels fast in basketball recruiting and this will be used against us by other coaches. I can hear it now ” so how sure are you they will keep you on scholarship if a better player appears to show up on their radar ?”. I think this is very dangerous.

    I would prefer other options to free up space and I think there are a few options.

    After watching the video of Withey I think he is at a level we don't have this year or next year or have had in many years. Very impressive movement for 7' . The video showed alot of defense too which I liked alot compared to all of these open jump shot and uncontested dunk videos. It is truly worth a big time effort to figure this out.

  • JerryCT

    Actually I think it hurts us in the long run with recruiting if DO NOT to stick by our commitments. Word travels fast in basketball recruiting and this will be used against us by other coaches. I can hear it now ” so how sure are you they will keep you on scholarship if a better player appears to show up on their radar ?”. I think this is very dangerous.

    I would prefer other options to free up space and I think there are a few options.

    After watching the video of Withey I think he is at a level we don't have this year or next year or have had in many years. Very impressive movement for 7' . The video showed alot of defense too which I liked alot compared to all of these open jump shot and uncontested dunk videos. It is truly worth a big time effort to figure this out.

  • MikeinNC

    I would think this could be a slippery slope…I think everyone realizes we are in a huge rebuilding situation so things could be a little more fluid with regards to scholarships, but by the same token you don't want to get the reputation that commitments get reneged all the time in your program…tricky. Do you think Crean was upfront with some of these kids that their scholarship situation could be tenuous in a year or two?

  • MikeinNC

    I would think this could be a slippery slope…I think everyone realizes we are in a huge rebuilding situation so things could be a little more fluid with regards to scholarships, but by the same token you don't want to get the reputation that commitments get reneged all the time in your program…tricky. Do you think Crean was upfront with some of these kids that their scholarship situation could be tenuous in a year or two?

  • MikeinNC

    I would think this could be a slippery slope…I think everyone realizes we are in a huge rebuilding situation so things could be a little more fluid with regards to scholarships, but by the same token you don't want to get the reputation that commitments get reneged all the time in your program…tricky. Do you think Crean was upfront with some of these kids that their scholarship situation could be tenuous in a year or two?

  • Guest

    I know that Withey's sister used to attend school at IU and just recently moved to Arizona to be around her family. I also know that she is planning on returning to IU in the summer, so I find it very interesting that IU is on his list of possibilities.

  • Guest

    I know that Withey's sister used to attend school at IU and just recently moved to Arizona to be around her family. I also know that she is planning on returning to IU in the summer, so I find it very interesting that IU is on his list of possibilities.

  • Guest

    I know that Withey's sister used to attend school at IU and just recently moved to Arizona to be around her family. I also know that she is planning on returning to IU in the summer, so I find it very interesting that IU is on his list of possibilities.

  • Taskmaster75

    Ok ok, i think i went a bit too far saying i would pay any price. Still, would be very nice to grab either of these 2. Just think of the depth we would have with Pritchard, Capo, Elston, Withey/Cousins. (Notice I don't have Bawa's name there, as he is the most shaky comittment IU probably has)

  • Taskmaster75

    Ok ok, i think i went a bit too far saying i would pay any price. Still, would be very nice to grab either of these 2. Just think of the depth we would have with Pritchard, Capo, Elston, Withey/Cousins. (Notice I don't have Bawa's name there, as he is the most shaky comittment IU probably has)

  • Taskmaster75

    Ok ok, i think i went a bit too far saying i would pay any price. Still, would be very nice to grab either of these 2. Just think of the depth we would have with Pritchard, Capo, Elston, Withey/Cousins. (Notice I don't have Bawa's name there, as he is the most shaky comittment IU probably has)

  • Kelin Blab

    I believe Bawa signed though so he is committed.

  • Kelin Blab

    I believe Bawa signed though so he is committed.

  • Kelin Blab

    I believe Bawa signed though so he is committed.

  • plane1972

    I was intrigued by the comment on rivals or scout where they said Cousins may still play for Davis, but not at UAB. What does that mean? Is Davis on the the hot seat? I can't imagine that just yet. Does he have his eye on another program? If so, a Cousins commitment would be excellent leverage to push his name to the top of a list?

  • plane1972

    I was intrigued by the comment on rivals or scout where they said Cousins may still play for Davis, but not at UAB. What does that mean? Is Davis on the the hot seat? I can't imagine that just yet. Does he have his eye on another program? If so, a Cousins commitment would be excellent leverage to push his name to the top of a list?

  • plane1972

    I was intrigued by the comment on rivals or scout where they said Cousins may still play for Davis, but not at UAB. What does that mean? Is Davis on the the hot seat? I can't imagine that just yet. Does he have his eye on another program? If so, a Cousins commitment would be excellent leverage to push his name to the top of a list?

  • josh

    This might be a whole new topic, but why would a recruit of this caliber be at all interested in playing in Birmingham, with the limited exposure available at UAB, playing for a guy with limited success in player development? And that's not a personal knock on Mike D., but I just don't get it…. ?

  • josh

    This might be a whole new topic, but why would a recruit of this caliber be at all interested in playing in Birmingham, with the limited exposure available at UAB, playing for a guy with limited success in player development? And that's not a personal knock on Mike D., but I just don't get it…. ?

  • BobbyDigital

    I think Alabama's coach is on the hot seat. With Davis's ties (and certainly if he has Cousins in tow) his name would be on the short list.

  • BobbyDigital

    I think Alabama's coach is on the hot seat. With Davis's ties (and certainly if he has Cousins in tow) his name would be on the short list.

  • BobbyDigital

    I think Alabama's coach is on the hot seat. With Davis's ties (and certainly if he has Cousins in tow) his name would be on the short list.

  • cooper

    I think a few people will leave too. I think we need to watch out on the recruiting end as far as recruiting too many stars. remember there is only one basketball to go around and only one person can score each possession. we already have a couple me first scorers coming in (which we desperately need), to add two more may lead to some chemistry issues or more transfers. if we can get them and they fit the team i'm all for it. I think the most important thing is to find system players not necessarily all stars…see Patriots vs. Cowboys

  • cooper

    I think a few people will leave too. I think we need to watch out on the recruiting end as far as recruiting too many stars. remember there is only one basketball to go around and only one person can score each possession. we already have a couple me first scorers coming in (which we desperately need), to add two more may lead to some chemistry issues or more transfers. if we can get them and they fit the team i'm all for it. I think the most important thing is to find system players not necessarily all stars…see Patriots vs. Cowboys

  • cooper

    I think a few people will leave too. I think we need to watch out on the recruiting end as far as recruiting too many stars. remember there is only one basketball to go around and only one person can score each possession. we already have a couple me first scorers coming in (which we desperately need), to add two more may lead to some chemistry issues or more transfers. if we can get them and they fit the team i'm all for it. I think the most important thing is to find system players not necessarily all stars…see Patriots vs. Cowboys

  • Taskmaster75

    I realize that Kevin that he did sign, but completely ignoring his own team's midnight madness is perplexing. He went to the OSU MM. I'm not saying he is going to leave. I know as much as you do, but if someone would ask for a release, it would be him?

  • Taskmaster75

    I realize that Kevin that he did sign, but completely ignoring his own team's midnight madness is perplexing. He went to the OSU MM. I'm not saying he is going to leave. I know as much as you do, but if someone would ask for a release, it would be him?

  • Taskmaster75

    I realize that Kevin that he did sign, but completely ignoring his own team's midnight madness is perplexing. He went to the OSU MM. I'm not saying he is going to leave. I know as much as you do, but if someone would ask for a release, it would be him?

  • Big E

    Doesn't appear Withey has much interest in IU from the articles I've seen. He mentions Kansas & Texas and is enrolling for the second semester, so appears he's going to decide quickly. Not sure how likely Cousins is either- but Crean needs to balance bringing in the best players available without selling the programs soul. A couple of players likely will leave but I would hate to think they'd be pushed out. Not that anyone is guaranteed a roster spot but they are all here because Indiana asked them to be and are doing what's asked of them. Loyalty goes both ways.

  • Big E

    Doesn't appear Withey has much interest in IU from the articles I've seen. He mentions Kansas & Texas and is enrolling for the second semester, so appears he's going to decide quickly. Not sure how likely Cousins is either- but Crean needs to balance bringing in the best players available without selling the programs soul. A couple of players likely will leave but I would hate to think they'd be pushed out. Not that anyone is guaranteed a roster spot but they are all here because Indiana asked them to be and are doing what's asked of them. Loyalty goes both ways.

  • Hardwood83

    Doesn't appear Withey has much interest in IU from the articles I've seen. He mentions Kansas & Texas and is enrolling for the second semester, so appears he's going to decide quickly. Not sure how likely Cousins is either- but Crean needs to balance bringing in the best players available without selling the programs soul. A couple of players likely will leave but I would hate to think they'd be pushed out. Not that anyone is guaranteed a roster spot but they are all here because Indiana asked them to be and are doing what's asked of them. Loyalty goes both ways.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Muniru is solid with Indiana. The midnight madness trip to Oklahoma State was weeks before he signed with IU. At that time, he wasn't sure if he would be signing in the fall or the spring, so he wanted to check out Oklahoma State. Can't blame the kid for keeping his options open, it's a big decision.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Muniru is solid with Indiana. The midnight madness trip to Oklahoma State was weeks before he signed with IU. At that time, he wasn't sure if he would be signing in the fall or the spring, so he wanted to check out Oklahoma State. Can't blame the kid for keeping his options open, it's a big decision.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Muniru is solid with Indiana. The midnight madness trip to Oklahoma State was weeks before he signed with IU. At that time, he wasn't sure if he would be signing in the fall or the spring, so he wanted to check out Oklahoma State. Can't blame the kid for keeping his options open, it's a big decision.

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