Comments on: Wetzel on NCAA, IU: Justice not served

By: Matt_J

Matt_J — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:59:02 +0000

Oh yeah, I remember that. And notice, Alford missed the Kentucky game, which is a pretty damned important game to have one of your better players for.

These days, most places would have one of their big name players sit out for the home game against NJIT. My how times have changed.

By: Matt_J

Matt_J — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:56:57 +0000

I agree with your arguments here. I had the same thoughts. Wetzel didn't report the self-imposed sanctions (limiting recruiting and scholarship losses) in the meat of the article, conveniently, so that he could strengthen and bolster his own arguments.

Yahoo! sports was the first to report the Reggie Bush mess at USC. I was hoping that they'd do a little more due diligence on their other reporting. I understand the point Wetzel's trying to make, but I feel he's using spotty logic in order to get the point across.

By: Matt_J

Matt_J — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:59:02 +0000

Oh yeah, I remember that. And notice, Alford missed the Kentucky game, which is a pretty damned important game to have one of your better players for.

These days, most places would have one of their big name players sit out for the home game against NJIT. My how times have changed.

By: Matt_J

Matt_J — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:56:57 +0000

By: NC Fat Boy

NC Fat Boy — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:50:58 +0000

Read before you post. You posted

"IU hadn't violated NCCA rules"

I posted

"IU didn't have a MAJOR infraction"

Check your post.

By: IU77

IU77 — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:12:15 +0000

IU did not have a major infraction with the NCAA. Check the NCAA records.

By: student

student — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:37:19 +0000

Tim receives a gauze ban for the next two years.

By: NC Fat Boy

NC Fat Boy — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:54:13 +0000

I didn't mean validated the belief that the violations were self-reported, the belief that Sampson was the culprit and the athletic department did not condone the activities….

By: NC Fat Boy

NC Fat Boy — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:51:46 +0000

I think, if you look at the overall picture, and the severity of the infractions, they were minor in comparison to other violations. Personally, I think this is blown out of proportion and the fire has been fueled by those who stand to gain the most. No proof of this, just what I think.

The infractions were PHONE CALLS. It's obvious that there are some who are likening it to COMPENSATION, JOB w/pay for no work or FREE SHOES. It's still a violation and I think the NCAA response was appropriate, regardless as to the institution.

That being said, it would be unfair for any NCAA ruling not to take into consideration the integrity of the institution, and as far as the basketball program goes, I think we know who built Indiana's Basketball program integrity.

An institution's reputation should factor into the decision of the NCAA, whether it's a history of integrity and self-reporting or a record of non-compliance and cover-up. Fortunately, Indiana got the benefit of a record of integrity that includes self-reporting on violations, even some as benign as the Alford incident as well as this incident

The NCAA has validated the belief that while the University may have been delinquent regarding some monitoring of compliance, once discovered, the violations were reported. To me, this further incriminates Sampson and Senderoff and hopefully sends a message to the coaching fraternity.

This does not make Indiana University free from blame. They did hire the coach, and his history of violations was known and appropriate actions were obviously not taken to ensure the integrity of the University and we are paying for that now.

As far as the phone calls, and I don't know the answer to this, so if you know, post it, which of the current and future crop of players were recruited with illegal calls by Sampson? How many of the illegal calls were illegal only because of the previous sanctions Indiana inherited when they hired Sampson?

I am also unaware of what sanctions remained on the Oklahoma program in the wake of Sampson, anyone know?

By: NC Fat Boy

NC Fat Boy — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:28:48 +0000

IU didn't have a MAJOR infraction. I remember one when I was there. Alford posed for a Gamma Phi Beta Calendar. Even though the calendar proceeds were philanthropic, it was still a violation. IU reported the violation and Alford was suspended for a game and sat out, I think, the Kentucky game. If I recall correctly, he wasn't allowed to travel with the team.