Dan Dakich rules Joe Hillman on Indianapolis radio

  • 12/02/2008 10:47 am in

Last year, Dan Dakich was at the unfortunate intersection of the Kelvin Sampson fallout — and the issues Sampson’s kids had both been dealt and had created for themselves — and Dakich was the one that eventually kicked Armon Bassett and Jamarcus Ellis off the team. Given that history, color me surprised that Dakich would come out in such vehement defense of those players on the radio … but that’s exactly what he did on his Indianapolis-based radio show a little while ago.

Thanks to the Hoosier Scoop, we have the audio (as well as Chris Korman’s incredibly thoughtful take) here. Give it a listen.

The back story is this: Joe Hillman said this in Terry Hutchens’ Indy Star preview story a few weeks ago:

“He came in and he cleaned house,” said Hillman, who played on the 1987 championship team. “He got rid of all those punks and bad guys, and just said, ‘Hey, this is the way we’re going to do it. We’re going to take some lumps, but we’re going to do it the right way.’

Dakich’s response:

“While Joe Hillman was playing golf at a country club,  Jamarcus Ellis was living in a car.”

That, my friends, is what we call getting sonned. Joe Hillman, you may take your seat.

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  • I've never heard anyone say a good thing about Hillman — thus I'm not surprised Dakich would come out firing on him like this.

    Dan Dakich 1, Joe Hillman 0

  • I've never heard anyone say a good thing about Hillman — thus I'm not surprised Dakich would come out firing on him like this.

    Dan Dakich 1, Joe Hillman 0

  • I've never heard anyone say a good thing about Hillman — thus I'm not surprised Dakich would come out firing on him like this.

    Dan Dakich 1, Joe Hillman 0

  • I've never heard anyone say a good thing about Hillman — thus I'm not surprised Dakich would come out firing on him like this.

    Dan Dakich 1, Joe Hillman 0

  • I've never heard anyone say a good thing about Hillman — thus I'm not surprised Dakich would come out firing on him like this.

    Dan Dakich 1, Joe Hillman 0

  • I've never heard anyone say a good thing about Hillman — thus I'm not surprised Dakich would come out firing on him like this.

    Dan Dakich 1, Joe Hillman 0

  • peaychris

    i listened to Dak yesturday on the long drive back to alabama.. hes doing a great job and its glad to hear that for the first time he gets to spend some time with the family!! he said that was his first real thankgiving!

  • peaychris

    i listened to Dak yesturday on the long drive back to alabama.. hes doing a great job and its glad to hear that for the first time he gets to spend some time with the family!! he said that was his first real thankgiving!

  • peaychris

    i listened to Dak yesturday on the long drive back to alabama.. hes doing a great job and its glad to hear that for the first time he gets to spend some time with the family!! he said that was his first real thankgiving!

  • peaychris

    i listened to Dak yesturday on the long drive back to alabama.. hes doing a great job and its glad to hear that for the first time he gets to spend some time with the family!! he said that was his first real thankgiving!

  • peaychris

    i listened to Dak yesturday on the long drive back to alabama.. hes doing a great job and its glad to hear that for the first time he gets to spend some time with the family!! he said that was his first real thankgiving!

  • peaychris

    i listened to Dak yesturday on the long drive back to alabama.. hes doing a great job and its glad to hear that for the first time he gets to spend some time with the family!! he said that was his first real thankgiving!

  • JerryCT

    I donot think either man did himself a favor here.

    Hillman stated , perhaps inartfully, what I have seen stated repeatedly on all the blogs by many fans. So what else is new ? The shoe fits pretty well.

    Dakich chose to criticize Hillman and others for inartful truth.,,,,,and then droned on and on with nothing new to say.

    Dakich is not in the Cowboys or Giants locker room but I bet he has a feeling about Pacman Jones or Plaxico Burress .

    After Dakich aknowledged that some players were “at risk” kids I would have preferred to hear what steps he took or lessons he learned or what he would do in the same situation again to assist “at risk” players before problems get out of hand.

    Then again maybe he had nothing to say.

  • JerryCT

    I donot think either man did himself a favor here.

    Hillman stated , perhaps inartfully, what I have seen stated repeatedly on all the blogs by many fans. So what else is new ? The shoe fits pretty well.

    Dakich chose to criticize Hillman and others for inartful truth.,,,,,and then droned on and on with nothing new to say.

    Dakich is not in the Cowboys or Giants locker room but I bet he has a feeling about Pacman Jones or Plaxico Burress .

    After Dakich aknowledged that some players were “at risk” kids I would have preferred to hear what steps he took or lessons he learned or what he would do in the same situation again to assist “at risk” players before problems get out of hand.

    Then again maybe he had nothing to say.

  • JerryCT

    I donot think either man did himself a favor here.

    Hillman stated , perhaps inartfully, what I have seen stated repeatedly on all the blogs by many fans. So what else is new ? The shoe fits pretty well.

    Dakich chose to criticize Hillman and others for inartful truth.,,,,,and then droned on and on with nothing new to say.

    Dakich is not in the Cowboys or Giants locker room but I bet he has a feeling about Pacman Jones or Plaxico Burress .

    After Dakich aknowledged that some players were “at risk” kids I would have preferred to hear what steps he took or lessons he learned or what he would do in the same situation again to assist “at risk” players before problems get out of hand.

    Then again maybe he had nothing to say.

  • JerryCT

    I donot think either man did himself a favor here.

    Hillman stated , perhaps inartfully, what I have seen stated repeatedly on all the blogs by many fans. So what else is new ? The shoe fits pretty well.

    Dakich chose to criticize Hillman and others for inartful truth.,,,,,and then droned on and on with nothing new to say.

    Dakich is not in the Cowboys or Giants locker room but I bet he has a feeling about Pacman Jones or Plaxico Burress .

    After Dakich aknowledged that some players were “at risk” kids I would have preferred to hear what steps he took or lessons he learned or what he would do in the same situation again to assist “at risk” players before problems get out of hand.

    Then again maybe he had nothing to say.

  • JerryCT

    I donot think either man did himself a favor here.

    Hillman stated , perhaps inartfully, what I have seen stated repeatedly on all the blogs by many fans. So what else is new ? The shoe fits pretty well.

    Dakich chose to criticize Hillman and others for inartful truth.,,,,,and then droned on and on with nothing new to say.

    Dakich is not in the Cowboys or Giants locker room but I bet he has a feeling about Pacman Jones or Plaxico Burress .

    After Dakich aknowledged that some players were “at risk” kids I would have preferred to hear what steps he took or lessons he learned or what he would do in the same situation again to assist “at risk” players before problems get out of hand.

    Then again maybe he had nothing to say.

  • JerryCT

    I donot think either man did himself a favor here.

    Hillman stated , perhaps inartfully, what I have seen stated repeatedly on all the blogs by many fans. So what else is new ? The shoe fits pretty well.

    Dakich chose to criticize Hillman and others for inartful truth.,,,,,and then droned on and on with nothing new to say.

    Dakich is not in the Cowboys or Giants locker room but I bet he has a feeling about Pacman Jones or Plaxico Burress .

    After Dakich aknowledged that some players were “at risk” kids I would have preferred to hear what steps he took or lessons he learned or what he would do in the same situation again to assist “at risk” players before problems get out of hand.

    Then again maybe he had nothing to say.

  • cooper

    Good for Dakich and the same should go for some of the people on here calling them punks and thugs. Not everyone went to great highschools or had a great bringing up. some of these “schools” let students pass because they are stud athletes, Dexter Manley anyone. Its easy to sit and call them thugs and whatever else but you don't know them so really have no basis for making an opinion on their personal lives. Stick to basketball comments, because I'm sure there are other former players many fans thought were great guys that were real pricks

  • cooper

    Good for Dakich and the same should go for some of the people on here calling them punks and thugs. Not everyone went to great highschools or had a great bringing up. some of these “schools” let students pass because they are stud athletes, Dexter Manley anyone. Its easy to sit and call them thugs and whatever else but you don't know them so really have no basis for making an opinion on their personal lives. Stick to basketball comments, because I'm sure there are other former players many fans thought were great guys that were real pricks

  • cooper

    Good for Dakich and the same should go for some of the people on here calling them punks and thugs. Not everyone went to great highschools or had a great bringing up. some of these “schools” let students pass because they are stud athletes, Dexter Manley anyone. Its easy to sit and call them thugs and whatever else but you don't know them so really have no basis for making an opinion on their personal lives. Stick to basketball comments, because I'm sure there are other former players many fans thought were great guys that were real pricks

  • cooper

    Good for Dakich and the same should go for some of the people on here calling them punks and thugs. Not everyone went to great highschools or had a great bringing up. some of these “schools” let students pass because they are stud athletes, Dexter Manley anyone. Its easy to sit and call them thugs and whatever else but you don't know them so really have no basis for making an opinion on their personal lives. Stick to basketball comments, because I'm sure there are other former players many fans thought were great guys that were real pricks

  • cooper

    Good for Dakich and the same should go for some of the people on here calling them punks and thugs. Not everyone went to great highschools or had a great bringing up. some of these “schools” let students pass because they are stud athletes, Dexter Manley anyone. Its easy to sit and call them thugs and whatever else but you don't know them so really have no basis for making an opinion on their personal lives. Stick to basketball comments, because I'm sure there are other former players many fans thought were great guys that were real pricks

  • cooper

    Good for Dakich and the same should go for some of the people on here calling them punks and thugs. Not everyone went to great highschools or had a great bringing up. some of these “schools” let students pass because they are stud athletes, Dexter Manley anyone. Its easy to sit and call them thugs and whatever else but you don't know them so really have no basis for making an opinion on their personal lives. Stick to basketball comments, because I'm sure there are other former players many fans thought were great guys that were real pricks

  • NC Fat Boy

    I agree that neither did themselves a favor. I doubt that Hillman intended to create this controversy and it was his pride in the Indiana program that got the better of him. He probably would like to have his words back. But, I don't know Hillman, so who can really say?

    Dakich could have made a statement plain and simple. He didn't have to mention who said it or what was said. He's obviously in the position to make a statement regarding those kids (who, by the way, we liked when they were winning games for IU), but he lowered himself by attacking Hillman.

    We all make mistakes, usually not on a stage as large as Hillman or Dakich… this is probably not the end of this one and what happens next will be a good indication of character.

    And we know how the media is these days… controversy=ratings, and unfortunately, Danny is media.

  • NC Fat Boy

    I agree that neither did themselves a favor. I doubt that Hillman intended to create this controversy and it was his pride in the Indiana program that got the better of him. He probably would like to have his words back. But, I don't know Hillman, so who can really say?

    Dakich could have made a statement plain and simple. He didn't have to mention who said it or what was said. He's obviously in the position to make a statement regarding those kids (who, by the way, we liked when they were winning games for IU), but he lowered himself by attacking Hillman.

    We all make mistakes, usually not on a stage as large as Hillman or Dakich… this is probably not the end of this one and what happens next will be a good indication of character.

    And we know how the media is these days… controversy=ratings, and unfortunately, Danny is media.

  • NC Fat Boy

    I agree that neither did themselves a favor. I doubt that Hillman intended to create this controversy and it was his pride in the Indiana program that got the better of him. He probably would like to have his words back. But, I don't know Hillman, so who can really say?

    Dakich could have made a statement plain and simple. He didn't have to mention who said it or what was said. He's obviously in the position to make a statement regarding those kids (who, by the way, we liked when they were winning games for IU), but he lowered himself by attacking Hillman.

    We all make mistakes, usually not on a stage as large as Hillman or Dakich… this is probably not the end of this one and what happens next will be a good indication of character.

    And we know how the media is these days… controversy=ratings, and unfortunately, Danny is media.

  • NC Fat Boy

    I agree that neither did themselves a favor. I doubt that Hillman intended to create this controversy and it was his pride in the Indiana program that got the better of him. He probably would like to have his words back. But, I don't know Hillman, so who can really say?

    Dakich could have made a statement plain and simple. He didn't have to mention who said it or what was said. He's obviously in the position to make a statement regarding those kids (who, by the way, we liked when they were winning games for IU), but he lowered himself by attacking Hillman.

    We all make mistakes, usually not on a stage as large as Hillman or Dakich… this is probably not the end of this one and what happens next will be a good indication of character.

    And we know how the media is these days… controversy=ratings, and unfortunately, Danny is media.

  • NC Fat Boy

    I agree that neither did themselves a favor. I doubt that Hillman intended to create this controversy and it was his pride in the Indiana program that got the better of him. He probably would like to have his words back. But, I don't know Hillman, so who can really say?

    Dakich could have made a statement plain and simple. He didn't have to mention who said it or what was said. He's obviously in the position to make a statement regarding those kids (who, by the way, we liked when they were winning games for IU), but he lowered himself by attacking Hillman.

    We all make mistakes, usually not on a stage as large as Hillman or Dakich… this is probably not the end of this one and what happens next will be a good indication of character.

    And we know how the media is these days… controversy=ratings, and unfortunately, Danny is media.

  • NC Fat Boy

    I agree that neither did themselves a favor. I doubt that Hillman intended to create this controversy and it was his pride in the Indiana program that got the better of him. He probably would like to have his words back. But, I don't know Hillman, so who can really say?

    Dakich could have made a statement plain and simple. He didn't have to mention who said it or what was said. He's obviously in the position to make a statement regarding those kids (who, by the way, we liked when they were winning games for IU), but he lowered himself by attacking Hillman.

    We all make mistakes, usually not on a stage as large as Hillman or Dakich… this is probably not the end of this one and what happens next will be a good indication of character.

    And we know how the media is these days… controversy=ratings, and unfortunately, Danny is media.

  • MikeinNC

    Great statement by Dakich…sometimes we forget that these are just kids, some of whom have lived their entire lives in a really bad, dysfunctional setting….unless we've walked a mile in their shoes, we really have no right to cast dispersions.

  • MikeinNC

    Great statement by Dakich…sometimes we forget that these are just kids, some of whom have lived their entire lives in a really bad, dysfunctional setting….unless we've walked a mile in their shoes, we really have no right to cast dispersions.

  • MikeinNC

    Great statement by Dakich…sometimes we forget that these are just kids, some of whom have lived their entire lives in a really bad, dysfunctional setting….unless we've walked a mile in their shoes, we really have no right to cast dispersions.

  • MikeinNC

    Great statement by Dakich…sometimes we forget that these are just kids, some of whom have lived their entire lives in a really bad, dysfunctional setting….unless we've walked a mile in their shoes, we really have no right to cast dispersions.

  • MikeinNC

    Great statement by Dakich…sometimes we forget that these are just kids, some of whom have lived their entire lives in a really bad, dysfunctional setting….unless we've walked a mile in their shoes, we really have no right to cast dispersions.

  • MikeinNC

    Great statement by Dakich…sometimes we forget that these are just kids, some of whom have lived their entire lives in a really bad, dysfunctional setting….unless we've walked a mile in their shoes, we really have no right to cast dispersions.

  • Listen, every kid has a different background and upbringing. Some of these kids are not influenced by it, some are. Some grow up in nice neighborhoods with big houses, excellent schools, and a great home life – but STILL end up as thugs.

    This discussion about “thugs, punks, and at risk players” is not about where they come from and upbringing, but rather their character and attitude.

    I work in higher ed and see kids all the time who have come from bad homes, bad schools, and bad communities that do nothing to encourage or help their kids. Some of them are the brightest, most motivated kids I work with. Some are pretentious little pains in the ass. I see the same thing from the well off kids, so it is not about whether they are from the rough parts of town, or from broken homes. It is about their attitude, and their willingness to play by the rules and not engage in activities that hurt their team or the university. Character kids may not win as many games for you, but you at least have a team dedicated to upholding the university traditions and winning the right way.

    Sampson and Co. did not look at the CHARACTER of the kids they were recruiting. they saw a skill set and name, and that's it. So long as they were beating folks, it didn't matter how. Sampson looked at NCAA compliance the same way, and you see how bad that went down.

    Bottom line is that walking a line in their shoes is BS, Mike. These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson. I am not saying some kids don't need a chance. I am saying that if we get kids with GOOD CHARACTER, their upbringing and background is irrelevant.

  • Listen, every kid has a different background and upbringing. Some of these kids are not influenced by it, some are. Some grow up in nice neighborhoods with big houses, excellent schools, and a great home life – but STILL end up as thugs.

    This discussion about “thugs, punks, and at risk players” is not about where they come from and upbringing, but rather their character and attitude.

    I work in higher ed and see kids all the time who have come from bad homes, bad schools, and bad communities that do nothing to encourage or help their kids. Some of them are the brightest, most motivated kids I work with. Some are pretentious little pains in the ass. I see the same thing from the well off kids, so it is not about whether they are from the rough parts of town, or from broken homes. It is about their attitude, and their willingness to play by the rules and not engage in activities that hurt their team or the university. Character kids may not win as many games for you, but you at least have a team dedicated to upholding the university traditions and winning the right way.

    Sampson and Co. did not look at the CHARACTER of the kids they were recruiting. they saw a skill set and name, and that's it. So long as they were beating folks, it didn't matter how. Sampson looked at NCAA compliance the same way, and you see how bad that went down.

    Bottom line is that walking a mile in their shoes is BS, Mike. These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson. I am not saying some kids don't need a chance. I am saying that if we get kids with GOOD CHARACTER, their upbringing and background is irrelevant.

  • Listen, every kid has a different background and upbringing. Some of these kids are not influenced by it, some are. Some grow up in nice neighborhoods with big houses, excellent schools, and a great home life – but STILL end up as thugs.

    This discussion about “thugs, punks, and at risk players” is not about where they come from and upbringing, but rather their character and attitude.

    I work in higher ed and see kids all the time who have come from bad homes, bad schools, and bad communities that do nothing to encourage or help their kids. Some of them are the brightest, most motivated kids I work with. Some are pretentious little pains in the ass. I see the same thing from the well off kids, so it is not about whether they are from the rough parts of town, or from broken homes. It is about their attitude, and their willingness to play by the rules and not engage in activities that hurt their team or the university. Character kids may not win as many games for you, but you at least have a team dedicated to upholding the university traditions and winning the right way.

    Sampson and Co. did not look at the CHARACTER of the kids they were recruiting. they saw a skill set and name, and that's it. So long as they were beating folks, it didn't matter how. Sampson looked at NCAA compliance the same way, and you see how bad that went down.

    Bottom line is that walking a mile in their shoes is BS, Mike. These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson. I am not saying some kids don't need a chance. I am saying that if we get kids with GOOD CHARACTER, their upbringing and background is irrelevant.

  • Listen, every kid has a different background and upbringing. Some of these kids are not influenced by it, some are. Some grow up in nice neighborhoods with big houses, excellent schools, and a great home life – but STILL end up as thugs.

    This discussion about “thugs, punks, and at risk players” is not about where they come from and upbringing, but rather their character and attitude.

    I work in higher ed and see kids all the time who have come from bad homes, bad schools, and bad communities that do nothing to encourage or help their kids. Some of them are the brightest, most motivated kids I work with. Some are pretentious little pains in the ass. I see the same thing from the well off kids, so it is not about whether they are from the rough parts of town, or from broken homes. It is about their attitude, and their willingness to play by the rules and not engage in activities that hurt their team or the university. Character kids may not win as many games for you, but you at least have a team dedicated to upholding the university traditions and winning the right way.

    Sampson and Co. did not look at the CHARACTER of the kids they were recruiting. they saw a skill set and name, and that's it. So long as they were beating folks, it didn't matter how. Sampson looked at NCAA compliance the same way, and you see how bad that went down.

    Bottom line is that walking a mile in their shoes is BS, Mike. These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson. I am not saying some kids don't need a chance. I am saying that if we get kids with GOOD CHARACTER, their upbringing and background is irrelevant.

  • Listen, every kid has a different background and upbringing. Some of these kids are not influenced by it, some are. Some grow up in nice neighborhoods with big houses, excellent schools, and a great home life – but STILL end up as thugs.

    This discussion about “thugs, punks, and at risk players” is not about where they come from and upbringing, but rather their character and attitude.

    I work in higher ed and see kids all the time who have come from bad homes, bad schools, and bad communities that do nothing to encourage or help their kids. Some of them are the brightest, most motivated kids I work with. Some are pretentious little pains in the ass. I see the same thing from the well off kids, so it is not about whether they are from the rough parts of town, or from broken homes. It is about their attitude, and their willingness to play by the rules and not engage in activities that hurt their team or the university. Character kids may not win as many games for you, but you at least have a team dedicated to upholding the university traditions and winning the right way.

    Sampson and Co. did not look at the CHARACTER of the kids they were recruiting. they saw a skill set and name, and that's it. So long as they were beating folks, it didn't matter how. Sampson looked at NCAA compliance the same way, and you see how bad that went down.

    Bottom line is that walking a mile in their shoes is BS, Mike. These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson. I am not saying some kids don't need a chance. I am saying that if we get kids with GOOD CHARACTER, their upbringing and background is irrelevant.

  • Listen, every kid has a different background and upbringing. Some of these kids are not influenced by it, some are. Some grow up in nice neighborhoods with big houses, excellent schools, and a great home life – but STILL end up as thugs.

    This discussion about “thugs, punks, and at risk players” is not about where they come from and upbringing, but rather their character and attitude.

    I work in higher ed and see kids all the time who have come from bad homes, bad schools, and bad communities that do nothing to encourage or help their kids. Some of them are the brightest, most motivated kids I work with. Some are pretentious little pains in the ass. I see the same thing from the well off kids, so it is not about whether they are from the rough parts of town, or from broken homes. It is about their attitude, and their willingness to play by the rules and not engage in activities that hurt their team or the university. Character kids may not win as many games for you, but you at least have a team dedicated to upholding the university traditions and winning the right way.

    Sampson and Co. did not look at the CHARACTER of the kids they were recruiting. they saw a skill set and name, and that's it. So long as they were beating folks, it didn't matter how. Sampson looked at NCAA compliance the same way, and you see how bad that went down.

    Bottom line is that walking a mile in their shoes is BS, Mike. These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson. I am not saying some kids don't need a chance. I am saying that if we get kids with GOOD CHARACTER, their upbringing and background is irrelevant.

  • Boiler20

    >>>> “These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson.” <<<<<

    Uh, didn't Dakich address that head-on with his statement that IU ASKED these kids to come?

    I fancy myself a disciplinarian and you also have to acknowledge which party has been through the recruiting process before, probably DOZENS of times, and seen exactly which 'type' of kid would succeed in that particular environment with those particular expectations. The kids' heads are spinning while being recruited. They literally have no clue on who to trust, even if they've had a solid two-parent upbringing. If they haven't, a la Ellis, he can probably count on two hands the number of people in his life to that point that have NOT betrayed him.

    This is the second time I've listened to Dakich's reply to Hillman, and I respect him even more for it now than I did when I first heard it live.

    As much as the IU faithful (and I'm not saying it would be any different for Purdue fans, mind you) want to fence off this incident and just blame a handful of people as 'bad' to distance them from the IU community, the fact of the matter is we ALL live in a shades of gray world.

  • Boiler20

    >>>> “These were kids that NEVER should have been wearing the Cream and Crimson.” <<<<<

    Uh, didn't Dakich address that head-on with his statement that IU ASKED these kids to come?

    I fancy myself a disciplinarian and you also have to acknowledge which party has been through the recruiting process before, probably DOZENS of times, and seen exactly which 'type' of kid would succeed in that particular environment with those particular expectations. The kids' heads are spinning while being recruited. They literally have no clue on who to trust, even if they've had a solid two-parent upbringing. If they haven't, a la Ellis, he can probably count on two hands the number of people in his life to that point that have NOT betrayed him.

    This is the second time I've listened to Dakich's reply to Hillman, and I respect him even more for it now than I did when I first heard it live.

    As much as the IU faithful (and I'm not saying it would be any different for Purdue fans, mind you) want to fence off this incident and just blame a handful of people as 'bad' to distance them from the IU community, the fact of the matter is we ALL live in a shades of gray world.

  • Radosevic32

    While Hillman may have had a Country Club upbringing compared to Ellis, there is no one that I would pick over Joe Hillman in a tough situation on the basketball court.  He was as blue-collar as they come in gutting out victories.  I’ll take a bus load of Hillman-style players and not only win a lot of games but win championships.