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IU Schedule Breakdown: Man, that’s a lot of losses

by in Schedule | September 4th, 2008

Last year, right around this time, I made a relatively bold prediction about our Indiana Hoosiers. I predicted — nay, demanded — that they win 25 games in the regular season. That was, of course, before the nonsense derailed the Hoosiers and saw them end their season with a meek tournament performance. Weak.

This year, I harbor no such illusions. It’s not that the schedule’s (view here) tougher — it’s that this IU team is so much less talented, so less lauded, and so obviously the first phase of long-term rebuilding. And that’s OK. We all know it. No one is setting the bar too high.

Merficully, the schedule doesn’t start with the impossible out-of-conference schedule Mike Davis saddled himself with. Tom Crean’s first Hoosier team will face only three early challenges in the non-conference portion: Notre Dame, Kentucky, and Wake Forest. Making matters worse, none of the three is at home; Notre Dame will be during the Maui Invitational, Wake Forest is in Wake Forest, and IU will travel to Lexington for the Wildcat revenge. Yikes.

Once the conference season starts, things don’t look much better. Instead of detailing the losses, let’s take a look at the games that we know — absolutely know — IU can win:

– Jan. 7 vs. Michigan
– Jan. 17 vs. Penn State
– Feb. 4 vs. Iowa

And that’s about it. (When I was taking some quick cursory notes about the schedule, next to Penn State I actually wrote “win!”, complete with the exclamation point, because I was so excited to be sure that IU could win one game. No Geary Claxton! Whoo!)

Then, of course, are the rivalry games. I don’t hold much hope for our one game against Purdue this season; the Boilermakers will be well-oiled and the game is at the (Bud) Mackey Arena. But as long as we get one — just one — of the two games with Illinois this year, I will be happy. Incredibly, deliriously happy. The rest is just a bonus.

  • msdiu81

    We will win 14-15 regular season games. We will get better as the season progresses. Go Hoosiers!!

  • msdiu81

    We will win 14-15 regular season games. We will get better as the season progresses. Go Hoosiers!!

  • msdiu81

    We will win 14-15 regular season games. We will get better as the season progresses. Go Hoosiers!!

  • RogueNation

    That's some might strong kool-aid you're drinking!

    I'm thinking 8-12 wins is more realistic. Real IU fans are going to embrace this team like few have.

  • RogueNation

    That's some might strong kool-aid you're drinking!

    I'm thinking 8-12 wins is more realistic. Real IU fans are going to embrace this team like few have.

  • RogueNation

    That's some might strong kool-aid you're drinking!

    I'm thinking 8-12 wins is more realistic. Real IU fans are going to embrace this team like few have.

  • JerryCT

    Counting all games I give us 14 wins as follows:

    1. Win all non-conf home games except NW State
    2. Beat NW and PSU twice each
    3. Split w Minn, Mich, Iowa

    None of this will be easy

  • JerryCT

    Counting all games I give us 14 wins as follows:

    1. Win all non-conf home games except NW State
    2. Beat NW and PSU twice each
    3. Split w Minn, Mich, Iowa

    None of this will be easy

  • JerryCT

    Counting all games I give us 14 wins as follows:

    1. Win all non-conf home games except NW State
    2. Beat NW and PSU twice each
    3. Split w Minn, Mich, Iowa

    None of this will be easy

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I have a hard time imagining us winning at Northwestern or Penn State. We barely beat both of these teams last year on the road. If we win more than 12-13 games, I'll be ecstatic.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I have a hard time imagining us winning at Northwestern or Penn State. We barely beat both of these teams last year on the road. If we win more than 12-13 games, I'll be ecstatic.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    I have a hard time imagining us winning at Northwestern or Penn State. We barely beat both of these teams last year on the road. If we win more than 12-13 games, I'll be ecstatic.

  • pacino

    Way 2 put it Alex! We gota face reality. Maybe 10 wins.

  • pacino

    Way 2 put it Alex! We gota face reality. Maybe 10 wins.

  • pacino

    Way 2 put it Alex! We gota face reality. Maybe 10 wins.

  • hoosiergal

    I don't care how many we win this year, I only ask for one. I want a WIN when Illinois visits Bloomington!!!!!

  • hoosiergal

    I don't care how many we win this year, I only ask for one. I want a WIN when Illinois visits Bloomington!!!!!

  • hoosiergal

    I don't care how many we win this year, I only ask for one. I want a WIN when Illinois visits Bloomington!!!!!

  • pacino

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  • ricbraun

    People need to realize that even these games that we think we will/should win, we probably won't. This is a team of all freshman/juco players. How many freshman/juco players make big impacts for their respective teams every year? Only a handful, and those that do are the best of the best or are on great teams with good players around them. I like the guys we got, but they are not the best freshman out there. The caliber of players we got usually need a year of seasoning before they are really ready to contribute, but of course maybe a couple of them will be better than we thought or will be put in a good system where they can succeed. But juniors and seniors on mid-major teams like TCU might not have as much sheer talent as a guy like Nick Williams but they are much more seasoned and prepared to play the college game. We assume we will beat TCU, but I am not sure we will. Same goes for Michigan, who is going to guard Manny Harris?

    All that said, I am hopeful that IU does well but I will not be upset if they don't because this is what we will just have to deal with, there is no way around it. If we get to 10 wins with a surprise win against a conference opponent and show improvement as the year goes on, I will be more than happy

  • ricbraun

    People need to realize that even these games that we think we will/should win, we probably won't. This is a team of all freshman/juco players. How many freshman/juco players make big impacts for their respective teams every year? Only a handful, and those that do are the best of the best or are on great teams with good players around them. I like the guys we got, but they are not the best freshman out there. The caliber of players we got usually need a year of seasoning before they are really ready to contribute, but of course maybe a couple of them will be better than we thought or will be put in a good system where they can succeed. But juniors and seniors on mid-major teams like TCU might not have as much sheer talent as a guy like Nick Williams but they are much more seasoned and prepared to play the college game. We assume we will beat TCU, but I am not sure we will. Same goes for Michigan, who is going to guard Manny Harris?

    All that said, I am hopeful that IU does well but I will not be upset if they don't because this is what we will just have to deal with, there is no way around it. If we get to 10 wins with a surprise win against a conference opponent and show improvement as the year goes on, I will be more than happy

  • ricbraun

    People need to realize that even these games that we think we will/should win, we probably won't. This is a team of all freshman/juco players. How many freshman/juco players make big impacts for their respective teams every year? Only a handful, and those that do are the best of the best or are on great teams with good players around them. I like the guys we got, but they are not the best freshman out there. The caliber of players we got usually need a year of seasoning before they are really ready to contribute, but of course maybe a couple of them will be better than we thought or will be put in a good system where they can succeed. But juniors and seniors on mid-major teams like TCU might not have as much sheer talent as a guy like Nick Williams but they are much more seasoned and prepared to play the college game. We assume we will beat TCU, but I am not sure we will. Same goes for Michigan, who is going to guard Manny Harris?

    All that said, I am hopeful that IU does well but I will not be upset if they don't because this is what we will just have to deal with, there is no way around it. If we get to 10 wins with a surprise win against a conference opponent and show improvement as the year goes on, I will be more than happy

  • http://www.trinityoaklabs.com Hoosiergirl

    Man, all you got to do is look at this schedule and you'll know this is going to be rough.

  • http://www.trinityoaklabs.com Hoosiergirl

    Man, all you got to do is look at this schedule and you'll know this is going to be rough.

  • http://www.trinityoaklabs.com Hoosiergirl

    Man, all you got to do is look at this schedule and you'll know this is going to be rough.

  • peaychris

    well i love my hoosiers but i am going to break out the K.Y. bend over and take it… i will be there to watch this mess, but i will stick with these guys.. they want to be here and i will support them!!

  • peaychris

    well i love my hoosiers but i am going to break out the K.Y. bend over and take it… i will be there to watch this mess, but i will stick with these guys.. they want to be here and i will support them!!

  • peaychris

    well i love my hoosiers but i am going to break out the K.Y. bend over and take it… i will be there to watch this mess, but i will stick with these guys.. they want to be here and i will support them!!

  • B_MD

    That's exactly how I feel. Anyone who thinks this team is going to win 18 games or even be over .500 has complete blinders on.

    I am excited to watch this team and see them grow individually and as a unit, but please, you can be positive and somewhat realistic at the same time.

  • BGleas

    That's exactly how I feel. Anyone who thinks this team is going to win 18 games or even be over .500 has complete blinders on.

    I am excited to watch this team and see them grow individually and as a unit, but please, you can be positive and somewhat realistic at the same time.

  • BGleas

    That's exactly how I feel. Anyone who thinks this team is going to win 18 games or even be over .500 has complete blinders on.

    I am excited to watch this team and see them grow individually and as a unit, but please, you can be positive and somewhat realistic at the same time.

  • iumike

    With the situation as it is this year the biggest things I will be looking at is not the wins and losses but rather 1) Are they playing hard ALL the time for TC cause you just know he wil be coaching his ass off. 2) Do they show continued improvement through out the season as it goes along (win or lose) and 3) Do they seem to be giving up as the losses begin to mount and the season starts to wear them down. I started to list whether or not they have the right system in place to succeed but at this point I think we have to trust that TC has the right sytem in place even though it may not seem like he does as he will probably be doing alot of coaching with next year at least somewhat in mind and I agree with that type of thinking because this is truly a rebuilding year the likes of which the Hoosier Nation has never seen before and hopefully will never see again. To Kelvin Sampson : May your failures be many and NOT far and few in between. You have for sure secured your place in Hoosier bball history but only in the worst possibe way. If there is a silver lining in all of this it is that it did bring us TC.

  • iumike

    With the situation as it is this year the biggest things I will be looking at is not the wins and losses but rather 1) Are they playing hard ALL the time for TC cause you just know he wil be coaching his ass off. 2) Do they show continued improvement through out the season as it goes along (win or lose) and 3) Do they seem to be giving up as the losses begin to mount and the season starts to wear them down. I started to list whether or not they have the right system in place to succeed but at this point I think we have to trust that TC has the right sytem in place even though it may not seem like he does as he will probably be doing alot of coaching with next year at least somewhat in mind and I agree with that type of thinking because this is truly a rebuilding year the likes of which the Hoosier Nation has never seen before and hopefully will never see again. To Kelvin Sampson : May your failures be many and NOT far and few in between. You have for sure secured your place in Hoosier bball history but only in the worst possibe way. If there is a silver lining in all of this it is that it did bring us TC.

  • iumike

    With the situation as it is this year the biggest things I will be looking at is not the wins and losses but rather 1) Are they playing hard ALL the time for TC cause you just know he wil be coaching his ass off. 2) Do they show continued improvement through out the season as it goes along (win or lose) and 3) Do they seem to be giving up as the losses begin to mount and the season starts to wear them down. I started to list whether or not they have the right system in place to succeed but at this point I think we have to trust that TC has the right sytem in place even though it may not seem like he does as he will probably be doing alot of coaching with next year at least somewhat in mind and I agree with that type of thinking because this is truly a rebuilding year the likes of which the Hoosier Nation has never seen before and hopefully will never see again. To Kelvin Sampson : May your failures be many and NOT far and few in between. You have for sure secured your place in Hoosier bball history but only in the worst possibe way. If there is a silver lining in all of this it is that it did bring us TC.

  • hoosier07

    lucky 7 x 2 = 14!

    OPTIMISM PEOPLE!!

    btw, anyone know if TC ever visits the site?!

  • hoosier07

    lucky 7 x 2 = 14!

    OPTIMISM PEOPLE!!

    btw, anyone know if TC ever visits the site?!

  • hoosier07

    lucky 7 x 2 = 14!

    OPTIMISM PEOPLE!!

    btw, anyone know if TC ever visits the site?!

  • JerryCT

    I think 14 wins will be a great season with a miracle gettign us 16 and bad luck getting us only 10. I also tried to approach this from the bottom up by trying to estimate wehere the points will come from. I get about 64 pts per game as follows:

    Dumes-14, Pritchard 10, Williams, Jones, Story, ROth, Taber avg 6.5, JObe 4, walkons – 3

    Based on last years scores we would have won 14 games w only 64 pts. Still, this will be very difficult

  • JerryCT

    I think 14 wins will be a great season with a miracle gettign us 16 and bad luck getting us only 10. I also tried to approach this from the bottom up by trying to estimate wehere the points will come from. I get about 64 pts per game as follows:

    Dumes-14, Pritchard 10, Williams, Jones, Story, ROth, Taber avg 6.5, JObe 4, walkons – 3

    Based on last years scores we would have won 14 games w only 64 pts. Still, this will be very difficult

  • JerryCT

    I think 14 wins will be a great season with a miracle gettign us 16 and bad luck getting us only 10. I also tried to approach this from the bottom up by trying to estimate wehere the points will come from. I get about 64 pts per game as follows:

    Dumes-14, Pritchard 10, Williams, Jones, Story, ROth, Taber avg 6.5, JObe 4, walkons – 3

    Based on last years scores we would have won 14 games w only 64 pts. Still, this will be very difficult

  • hoosier07

    love the analysis Jerry!!!

    Hopefully nick williams can average more than 6.5 though!! key word HOPEFULLY!

  • hoosier07

    love the analysis Jerry!!!

    Hopefully nick williams can average more than 6.5 though!! key word HOPEFULLY!

  • hoosier07

    love the analysis Jerry!!!

    Hopefully nick williams can average more than 6.5 though!! key word HOPEFULLY!

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  • msdiu81

    Oh ye of little faith. We will get better as the season progresses as Crean will mold this team into a solid, cohesive unit and will play tough to the end. We will win more than most are expecting because we have Crean and because it is Indiana. Can't wait for my season ticket application to come and get to the first game. Go IU!! Go Hoosiers!!

  • msdiu81

    Oh ye of little faith. We will get better as the season progresses as Crean will mold this team into a solid, cohesive unit and will play tough to the end. We will win more than most are expecting because we have Crean and because it is Indiana. Can't wait for my season ticket application to come and get to the first game. Go IU!! Go Hoosiers!!

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