Will Indiana offer Stephan Van Treese?

  • 07/16/2008 9:02 am in

van-treese.JPGOne of the questions the Indiana coaching staff will have to answer come the end of the evaluation period is whether or not a scholarship offer will be extended to Stephan Van Treese.

Van Treese, a 6-9 forward from Lawrence North who is a member of the 2009 class, has not been offered a scholarship by the new Indiana staff, but Indiana remains in his top five schools.

His list could become shorter in the near future as Louisville’s interest appears to have tapered off. There is also a possibility of another school getting involved and the rumor is that California is interested. Mike Montgomery was visible this past weekend at the Kentucky Hoop Fest watching Indiana Elite and presumably, Van Treese.

I got a good look at Van Treese on Friday and Saturday and came away impressed. He ran the floor, played hard, pounded the glass and converted most of his opportunities down low. The problem for the IU staff with limited scholarships available is whether or not he fits the mold of the missing piece for the 2009 class. He is somewhat similar to Bobby Capobianco and perhaps the coaching staff is looking at Roger Franklin as a more viable option because of his versatility.

With that said, the Indiana staff will get another look at Van Treese next week in Las Vegas and a decision on a scholarship offer should come shortly thereafter. My question for you, ITH’ers: Will Indiana look to lock up one of the top players from Indiana in the 2009 class or will they shift their focus elsewhere? Thoughts in the comments, por favor.

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  • If Crean is serious about his “It's Indiana” mantra, then he will at least put a push toward van Treese. One of the major criticisms of Davis' tenure was that he did not pursue the Indiana kids enough. In order to be taken seriously as the head coach of Indiana, I feel Crean has to pursue the top talent in the state.

    I understand the problem that the lack of scholarships is going to provide to the coach and his staff, but he at least, on the outside, needs to put forth a face to the fans that shows that he is serious and committed toward rebuilding Indiana into Indiana, and that means that he's going to have to recruit Indiana kids.

  • CreamCrimson

    Any other year IU would have offered months ago, but next year and this year isn't 'any other year'. We are down to 1 scholarship and Van Treese's stock has cooled. He was once a key target big man from Indiana, now he would kind of clog the PF position where Capobianco, Pritchard, Elston seem to occupy. The buzz around Franklin and Watford complicates things. We might need to go a little more athletic. We need to begin to land in-state talent early in Crean's (hopefully very long) tenure, but Van Treese might be a scholarship casualty with only 1 to give, but would still be a very nice land.

  • Kelin Blab

    I don't care how many scholarships we have, if it comes down to offereing van treese or Roger Franklin…..10 out o10 times it is franklin I want. Derek Elston is a far better player than Van treese and I will say it again….Van Treese is NOT the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best player on his team…..I have seen him play and he is an above average role player.

  • junkman

    To be honest, Indiana needs to make some headway in the Lawrence North pipeline…

    Van Treese is a big body who can rebound and play in the post…He fills a need by completing a frontcourt that would offer Pritchard, Elston, Copobianco, Jobe, and Van Trese…

    We are obviously loaded at guard and Crean likes to run a three guard set, so adding another “big” makes sense to me, more than adding a wing or small forward…

    1. Jones / Hulls / Rivers
    2. Roth / Creek / Dumes
    3. Williams / Story
    4. Elston / Van Trese
    5. Pritchard / Copobianco / Jobe

    This seems to be a more balanced lineup than adding Franklin or Watford at the 3… I think that Jobe is also a project and we shouldn't count on him to be too productive when he is on the court and considering that, we should look to add another big.

    Combining the need for a big and depth at the frontcourt, and creating a stronger relationship at Lawrence North, seem to be a priority at this point in the rebuilding phase of Indiana Basketball.

  • junkman

    Do you think it would help to sign Van Trese before we go after one of the underclassmen at LN?

    I think it could be the start of a pipeline…because the current process of recruiting those kids isn't working

    Mahlen, Martin and Chandler are all going to be top recruits out of LN and it would seem to be a good start at getting one of them, by having a teammate of theirs at IU (similar to what kentucky and purdue will have)…

  • junkman

    Do you think any scholarships will open up by 2010/2011 ?? I don't know how long the academic or self-imposed sanctions last…and with Lawrence North boasting 8 big time recruits on their current roster, I can't imagine missing out on all of them…

  • tberry

    Just like I said about Coaches or ADs, right now IU needs to land the BEST player at the positions we need (BIGS?) before we worry too much about being from Indiana. My concern is not how many Indiana players we will have but if we get the really great Indiana players. If IU offers just because a kid is from Indiana , then I think we have somewhat wasted that offer.

  • B_MD

    Full disclosure: I have not seen any of these kids play yet, so all I can go by is ratings and what I read online.

    With that said, it seems like Van Treese is more of a role player and duplicates the Bobby C, Elston Pritchard role, but maybe with less talent. It's clear that for some reason his stock is slipping a bit.

    I think Crean has clearly brought in some players that fit perfectly as role players on a winning team, and I assume 1-2 of those if not more will exceed expectations. But with the hard-working scrapping hustle type of roles seemingly filled I think we need to fry a bigger fish with the remaining scholarship, and it's clear that Watford and Franklin are considered more talented prospects (again, all I have to go on is ratings an internet chatter).

    We need to add a go-to type player in my opinion to go along with all of these solid role players.

  • B_MD

    Totally agree. The Indiana kids that we need to get back are guys like Conley, Oden, McRoberts, Gardner and those types.

    Once the Indiana stars are back in the fold then the role player types from the state will be lining up to play at IU. It's like a funnel.

  • Kelin Blab

    Junkman that is a helluva point and dilemma….LN is BIG MAN central in this state given they have about 6 kids 6'8 to 7ft tall…..but I have to concede that point. The only downside to roger franklin is he is another wing BUT he is a helluva wing player and from what I have seen ……IU fans would love his “Rod Wilmont” type energy.

  • Kelin Blab

    Roger Franklin and Maurice Creek are those type of players…we have one, another wouldn't hurt…

  • B_MD

    Then I guess we agree that STV should probably be third on the list between him, Franklin and Watford.

    Is Creek a go-to-guy? Not questioning you, I just don't know. Possibly Williams? I also think Hulls could develop into a go-to-guy. Not in the sense that he'll average 20 a night, but he seems like the type of player who down the line you'll feel very comfortable with the ball in hands when the game is on the line.

  • Kelin Blab

    I don't know a ton about Watford…..As far as creek, from what I have heard is, he is one of the best scorers in the 09' class because of the multiple ways he can score. And Yes I see Hulls being another go to guy big shot guy….Looking forward to watching this team grow……Here is a quote from Creek….

    Scoring the basketball will surely be Creek’s best claim to fame at IU if he does want to prove his doubters wrong, and that’s exactly what Crean hopes he will do. “He just wanted me to do what I do best, and that’s score,” Creek said about his expected role for the Hoosiers. “I can drive, I can take a man off the dribble, I can shoot over the top, and I can definitely shoot when I’m open. I see the whole floor, I create points for other people. If a guy’s open, I kick the ball out.”

    When talking about his skill set, Creek finds many similarities between himself and former Hoosier phenom Eric Gordon, who also happened to be his favorite college player this year. “[Gordon] reminds me so much of myself. Both of us are scorers and both of us can shoot the ball very well. He just does a lot of stuff that I can do,” Creek said. He also said that he models himself somewhat after N.O. Hornets point guard Chris Paul, whose invitee-only camp he plans to attend next weekend, as well.

  • junkman

    Creek, Hulls, Story, Roth and Williams are all capable of being a shooting/scoring threat…That is why I'm wanting another big man…

    I think we are thin up front and with Pritchard / Elston / Copobianco / Jobe we only have 4 guys on the roster 6'6 or taller…In the Big Ten you need size, rebounding and second chance points…If we go up against teams like Minnesota / Michigan State and Wisconsin who have 3 or 4 6'10+ players they can rotate on and off the court, we are in trouble…

    Franklin and Watford may be more exciting to watch, but they would be a luxury in helping us win games…Rather than another big man to contribute on both ends of the court…

    Jobe is a project…Elston / Bobby C and Pritchard will be stretched too thin if they are the only big men on the roster…Van Trese is a top 100 player who rebounds, defends and is active around the rim…I'm not sure on why this board is so down on him of late, but I would only ask that we consider the need for size…

  • B_MD

    Works for me.

  • Kelin Blab

    For those of you interested……being the IU addict I am …..during this down time…I found some good video on Hulls, Bobby C, Roger Franklin, Marquis Teague, Vantreese

    http://gannett.a.mms.mavenapps.net/mms/rt/1/sit

  • Kelin Blab

    Ok My last post for this minute at least…if you watch the video clips …be sure to watch Hull and Bobby C…..you will love them both. Bobby doesn't mind contact and hull is a POINT GUARD.

  • Kelin Blab

    Junkman I am guilty and probaly others of being tainted by numbers and stars given that has been the focus over the davis and sampson years….have to retrain my mind to a guy who is building a team, getting Indiana kids to stay home, and having position depth. I hate to say it….similar to Purdon't and Matt Whiner…

  • B_MD

    I may be totally wrong, but aren't Watford and Franklin more power three's or small power forwards?

    Also scoring/shooting threat and go-to-guy are not the same thing. Every team needs a guy they can count on to handle the scoring load game in and game out.

    Although I agree with you, in that I too am worried about our inside game. It's a tough call. We need more talent, but we also need more inside help.

  • HoosierSmitty

    I think you have to take a serious look at Van Treese, given the LN pipeline and the fact he's a nice big from Indiana, but we might be getting overloaded at that position.

    With that said, however, picking up a solid big man is never an easy task, and consider how frequently we've had big man issues in terms of numbers. I'll take another solid big man role player, quite honestly.

  • Kelin Blab

    I find it interesting that the culture of basketball these days is away from big men. Now post players are more driven to play facing the basket than back to the basket. They work more on ball handling than jump hooks……

  • hoosier07

    gosh i wish i wasn't so busy at work today so i could have been more involved in these great discussions/debates!!! lets get both franklin and van treese!! well if it were only that easy … i like van treese . i think his ability and versatility can play into TC's style of basketball … i too like roger franklin, and agree with Kelin, we could REALLY use another wing player who can bring “rod wilmont” like energy back on the court … i guess id say id be thoroughly pleased either way, and EXTREMELY disappointed if we didn't land either!

  • hoosier07

    wow! Roger Franklin is a BEAST!

  • hoosier07

    seen the Hulls one before — he will be very good after a little time in the weight room and some collegiate coaching. Bobby C –> one word: WOW! taking the contact from defenders and still finishing his shot! great blocking ability for a big man and looks like good foot work — hopefully his man on man defense is just as good.

  • hoosierfan27

    Hulls, Elston, Dumes, Moore, Lewis, Barnett. Thats a good start in recruiting Indiana IMO. He's going hard after Teague, maybe Byrd as well. You have to get the best players available not just settle for an Indiana kid because hes an Indiana kid. I'd sure as hell take Franklin or Watford way over SVT. I think Crean is waiting those recruitments out before SVT gets an offer.

  • hoosierfan27

    No, SVT is not nearly the talent that Franklin and Watford are. He's a role player at best where as the other two could grow into the leader of future squads. I think franklin would dominate SVT if they went 1 on 1 against eachother. Franklin would give us just as many rebounds, more points, and hes a vocal leader

  • hoosierfan27

    Watford is one of the best scorers in aau. I think hes averaging over 24pts/gm. From his videos it looks like hes more of a wing type player but he can also block some shots. He's a great 3pt shooter and hes 6-7 He needs to work on his rebounding quite a bit (the main reason I want Franklin over him).

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  • Kelin Blab

    Just became a fan of Watford…..my preference…..I will take any of them, and van treese with the LN baggage would be nice after all….

  • fozzydog

    Get the best player available. We/Crean are way too late in the game to be only recruiting IN players. 3 or 4 years from now hopefully we'll be getting all the good IN and regional players, but we need the best of the best from in state, not leftovers. Not that Van Trese is necessarily a left over, but we only have 1 scholarship left for next year.

  • fozzydog

    Get the best player available. We/Crean are way too late in the game to be only recruiting IN players. 3 or 4 years from now hopefully we'll be getting all the good IN and regional players, but we need the best of the best from in state, not leftovers. Not that Van Trese is necessarily a left over, but we only have 1 scholarship left for next year.