• deedubbadoo

    I agree, although I think that it helped that they played high school ball together too. That being said, I think a lot of the younger players do get labeled as selfish because they know that one or two good years in college, can net you a contract somewhere. They have people in their ear telling them how great they are and what they are going to be making, driving, living in, and they get caught up in that. Instead of players like Carmello who knew the money was going to be there, but wanted to prove how good they really were by winning a title and then going on to better things.

  • Disco_Briscoe

    Big A or anyone else…Is there anyone else that the team may possibly add this summer or do you think we can call it quits on the recruiting for the 08-09 season?

  • hoosiergal

    I guess I don't want one and done type players at IU. EJ was great. don't get me wrong, but I would rather have Coverdale, Suhr, Alford, etc. Guys who loved IU and still do. The one and done type players are a flash in the pan, out for their NBA stock but are they really there for the team and for IU? I'd rather have 10 Coverdales than 1 EJ. Amazing to watch, but more amazing to watch is a bunch of guys become a team, play hard and play for IU. One and done players are NBA bound, I would rather watch a 3 or 4 year player develop into that NBA player. Talent is a gift, but for the guy who goes to the draft as a junior or senior, he has work, dedication, pride and determination on his side.

  • BGleas

    Why do you assume that EJ, or any other 1 and done, doesn't have work, dedication, pride and determination as well? Just because he's more talented? I'd argue he has more determination and pride and dedication because he worked so hard to be that good.

    I think EJ definitely loved IU and played hard for IU, at least until Sampson ruined the season. I think a lot of IU fans are jaded on 1 and done players because of what happened this year, but the blame should go to Sampson for screwing up a potentially unbelievable season, not EJ or other talented kids.

    In a perfect world I'd rather have kids stay 3-4 years also, but in the real world I want the most talent we can get year in and year out, and then trust that Crean is a good enough coach to get them to play hard and in the team concept. And then also hope that the players stay a few extra years, similar to the kids currently at UNC or at Kansas this past year.

  • ALH_00

    “Yes, I love the championships, but it is icing on the cake. I love IU basketball for what it is. “

    True. There's only one “champion” each season. Even if you have a super-talented roster, nothing is guaranteed. (Memphis/UNC/UCLA for example). Championships don't simply fall into a team's lap three or four years after landing a No. 1 recruiting class. Championships are indeed icing on the cake…so the question is, what is the cake?

    I think we found the main ingredient (a solid base) in Coach Crean. Now we just need to attract talent (the rest of the ingredients).

    As far as the players go, I'm not sure I buy the polarity between one-and-done v. four year “grinders”. I'm sure there are plenty of one-and-done's who make fine team players (Derrick Rose), just as there are four-year players who distract from “team” play.

    I expect Coach Crean to be able to attract top talent and develop each season's players into a “team” that maximizes that talent. I also expect Coach Crean's to run a clean operation and emphasize the “student-athlete” aspects of college athletics. If he can do both, then I can simply enjoy the ride and be proud to be and IU fan. As far as championships go, I guess I am willing to let the chips fall where they may. (though I'm confident that it can be done at IU).

    Great post and discussion.

  • BGleas

    That's what I'm talking about. I love that we had DJ White (a 4-year player) this year and I loved that we had EJ. I think Sampson derailed the season.

    My hope is Crean gets the top talent, and then I expect Crean to develop that talent and mesh it into a team. Sometime the top talent leaves (EJ, Oden, Rose) and sometimes it stays 3-4 years (DJ, Hansbrough, Rush, Sean May).

    The point is, I don't think anybody should say, 'I don't want this type of player or that type of player'. As long as Crean brings in talented players that play hard and go to class, then let the chips fall where they may as far how long the kids stay. Plus, it only helps a program in recruiting to have proven, successful players in the NBA.