Comments on: Open thread: Friday the 13th in Seattle http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-36768 JerryCT Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:24:59 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-36768 KS firing for the following reasons:<br><br>1. the stupid , one week , self imposed deadline to resolve a complicated mess<br>2. inability to schedule the news conf due to #1<br>3. no 'a priori' negotiation w NCAA on sanctions based on the "in season" firing<br>4. frenzy over the interim coach and what he should do<br>5. players' attitudes tanking and suspensions<br>6. poor team play and losses KS firing for the following reasons:

1. the stupid , one week , self imposed deadline to resolve a complicated mess
2. inability to schedule the news conf due to #1
3. no 'a priori' negotiation w NCAA on sanctions based on the “in season” firing
4. frenzy over the interim coach and what he should do
5. players' attitudes tanking and suspensions
6. poor team play and losses

]]> By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13205 JerryCT Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:24:59 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13205 KS firing for the following reasons:<br><br>1. the stupid , one week , self imposed deadline to resolve a complicated mess<br>2. inability to schedule the news conf due to #1<br>3. no 'a priori' negotiation w NCAA on sanctions based on the "in season" firing<br>4. frenzy over the interim coach and what he should do<br>5. players' attitudes tanking and suspensions<br>6. poor team play and losses KS firing for the following reasons:

1. the stupid , one week , self imposed deadline to resolve a complicated mess
2. inability to schedule the news conf due to #1
3. no 'a priori' negotiation w NCAA on sanctions based on the “in season” firing
4. frenzy over the interim coach and what he should do
5. players' attitudes tanking and suspensions
6. poor team play and losses

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13200 Kelin Blab Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:25:51 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13200 question to throw out here........<br><br>what was a bigger circus?<br><br>Mike Davis ending at IU? <br>KS firing?<br>Hiring of the new coach?<br><br>My vote is the hiring of the new coach.....given the fact.....all the names I heard I didn't like and when I heard Krueger was on a plane heading here I almost broke down in tears.<br><br>The Mike Davis sick day was pretty wild too.....<br><br>KS firing was ineveitable ............ question to throw out here……..

what was a bigger circus?

Mike Davis ending at IU?
KS firing?
Hiring of the new coach?

My vote is the hiring of the new coach…..given the fact…..all the names I heard I didn't like and when I heard Krueger was on a plane heading here I almost broke down in tears.

The Mike Davis sick day was pretty wild too…..

KS firing was ineveitable …………

]]> By: Hoosiergirl http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13186 Hoosiergirl Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:45:36 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13186 :grin: :grin:

]]> By: MikeinNC http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13192 MikeinNC Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:39:53 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13192 I don't see the point in penalizing us further, geez, I think we demonstrated that we were honest in reporting the infractions, that we suffered severe consequences, and that we have taken significant steps to cleanse the program. It's not like we are some corrupt football factory that stonewalled and covered things up every step of the way....if the NCAA is going to hammer us further, what's the message they send to schools about the incentive for being straightforward and transparent? Heck, a program might as well stonewall if the NCAA sends the message that you are still going to get clobbered even if you cooperate extensively and work hard to make amends.......think about how we've handled this compared to other scandals in the past.....I think the one solace we can take from all this is that we responded with a level of class and integrity that we can be proud of.....small comfort, I know.... I don't see the point in penalizing us further, geez, I think we demonstrated that we were honest in reporting the infractions, that we suffered severe consequences, and that we have taken significant steps to cleanse the program. It's not like we are some corrupt football factory that stonewalled and covered things up every step of the way….if the NCAA is going to hammer us further, what's the message they send to schools about the incentive for being straightforward and transparent? Heck, a program might as well stonewall if the NCAA sends the message that you are still going to get clobbered even if you cooperate extensively and work hard to make amends…….think about how we've handled this compared to other scandals in the past…..I think the one solace we can take from all this is that we responded with a level of class and integrity that we can be proud of…..small comfort, I know….

]]> By: Atwater http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13177 Atwater Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:54:40 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13177 That is exactly why the Indiana team barely one. I'm thinking that Moore could have easily given them a 25-30 point margin of victory. That is exactly why the Indiana team barely one. I'm thinking that Moore could have easily given them a 25-30 point margin of victory.

]]> By: Kelin Blab http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13170 Kelin Blab Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:28:20 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13170 Anyone pissed about Daniel Moore playing only 2 minutes in the Indiana All Star Game. Geez the kid can' t catch a break........... Anyone pissed about Daniel Moore playing only 2 minutes in the Indiana All Star Game. Geez the kid can' t catch a break………..

]]> By: BrianK http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13162 BrianK Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:52:58 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13162 The thing that gets me is that USC has been caught twice with players being paid and the NCAA has essentially looked the other way. The NCAA reminds me of the Bud Selig Run MLB. Ridiculous. It just gets under my skin The thing that gets me is that USC has been caught twice with players being paid and the NCAA has essentially looked the other way. The NCAA reminds me of the Bud Selig Run MLB. Ridiculous. It just gets under my skin

]]> By: jgongora86 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13080 jgongora86 Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:10:12 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13080 I meant we given ourselves a justified punishment, by docking sampson 1mill. Then fired sampson,took away a scholarship, and new recruiting stipulations. i don't disagre that we did something wrong, I just think that unlike other programs we steped up to the plate and punished ourselves. If the ncaa gives us further punishments I honestly don't think other Universitys don't have any incentive to fess up. I meant we given ourselves a justified punishment, by docking sampson 1mill. Then fired sampson,took away a scholarship, and new recruiting stipulations. i don't disagre that we did something wrong, I just think that unlike other programs we steped up to the plate and punished ourselves. If the ncaa gives us further punishments I honestly don't think other Universitys don't have any incentive to fess up.

]]> By: tberry http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13073 tberry Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:25:29 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13073 What do you mean, “We did everything we could to keep our program clean?” <br><br>According to other reports, IU did not monitor every month’s phone reports. If they had they would have seen the problem calls immediately and ended them. IU knew Sampson had cheated and were taking a chance on him but, still, they did not monitor him consistently.<br><br>IU does have a major part of the responsibility for this continuing mess. What do you mean, “We did everything we could to keep our program clean?”

According to other reports, IU did not monitor every month’s phone reports. If they had they would have seen the problem calls immediately and ended them. IU knew Sampson had cheated and were taking a chance on him but, still, they did not monitor him consistently.

IU does have a major part of the responsibility for this continuing mess.

]]> By: ALH_00 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13109 ALH_00 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:58:22 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13109 I understand. I am not holding out too much hope for leniency, but damn, look at what is going on there! Like any other team that is put on probation, etc...IU Men's B-Ball has been decimated. Goal accomplished. <br><br>Message to the NCAA...leave IU alone and start issuing major rules violation allegations and investigating those schools that really get a competitive advantage by violating NCAA regulations regarding player eligibility. <br><br>(I'm not saying IU is perfect, but this whole saga is so stupid wen you look at agents paying players and their families and the efforts that some schools make to keep players academically eligible and still only graduate 40%) I understand. I am not holding out too much hope for leniency, but damn, look at what is going on there! Like any other team that is put on probation, etc…IU Men's B-Ball has been decimated. Goal accomplished.

Message to the NCAA…leave IU alone and start issuing major rules violation allegations and investigating those schools that really get a competitive advantage by violating NCAA regulations regarding player eligibility.

(I'm not saying IU is perfect, but this whole saga is so stupid wen you look at agents paying players and their families and the efforts that some schools make to keep players academically eligible and still only graduate 40%)

]]> By: Alex http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13155 Alex Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:41:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13155 By the way, the Hoosier Scoop is out in Seattle and they're blogging quite a bit:<br><br><a href="http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/">http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/</a><br><br>Unfortunately, the Inside the Hall travel budget isn't quite up to par with the H-T. By the way, the Hoosier Scoop is out in Seattle and they're blogging quite a bit:

http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/

Unfortunately, the Inside the Hall travel budget isn't quite up to par with the H-T.

]]> By: hoosiergal http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13150 hoosiergal Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:54:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13150 Worst case scenario? Post season ban, loss of an additional scholarships and restricted recruiting? Mercy, I don't think I can take waiting 6 more weeks for the penalty. Worst case scenario? Post season ban, loss of an additional scholarships and restricted recruiting? Mercy, I don't think I can take waiting 6 more weeks for the penalty.

]]> By: bz http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13143 bz Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:44:35 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13143 i tend to think that the ncaa will be nice to us. reasons:<br>a) we sacrificed our coach and our season already. we may as well have given ourselves a post season ban last year because, let's face it, we didn't really show up for the first round.<br><br>b) we have restricted our head coach with the amount of contact he can have with recruits already. <br><br>c) we have a new coach who is saying (and doing) all the right things about running a clean program for the sake of the program. program comes first, wins come second.<br><br>d) we have turned over our entire roster. (we still have the two troublemakers in fink and taber, but now that their buddies are gone, the will be forced to go to class and behave). <br><br>adding penalties to this program seems like overkill to me. the mess has already been cleaned up. there is no point it making it worse then it already will be. if they are really desperate to punish someone, why don't they go down to tallahassee or socal. there's definitely more to find there. i tend to think that the ncaa will be nice to us. reasons:
a) we sacrificed our coach and our season already. we may as well have given ourselves a post season ban last year because, let's face it, we didn't really show up for the first round.

b) we have restricted our head coach with the amount of contact he can have with recruits already.

c) we have a new coach who is saying (and doing) all the right things about running a clean program for the sake of the program. program comes first, wins come second.

d) we have turned over our entire roster. (we still have the two troublemakers in fink and taber, but now that their buddies are gone, the will be forced to go to class and behave).

adding penalties to this program seems like overkill to me. the mess has already been cleaned up. there is no point it making it worse then it already will be. if they are really desperate to punish someone, why don't they go down to tallahassee or socal. there's definitely more to find there.

]]> By: Ryan_Btown http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13132 Ryan_Btown Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:43:07 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13132 So, from what I've read, he's basically going to testify that he didn't get info from the checks and balances system in time? So basically he's going to try and get off the hook by blaming IU. At least that's how I've sort of read into it. Is that accurate? So, from what I've read, he's basically going to testify that he didn't get info from the checks and balances system in time? So basically he's going to try and get off the hook by blaming IU. At least that's how I've sort of read into it. Is that accurate?

]]> By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13129 JerryCT Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:58:07 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13129 I hope we argue that sInce major college sports are also big business the NCAA and TV networks would be better served by a stronger IU basketball program not a "banned" or damaged program. We have been penalized enough already.............BAN KS and ............................FREE IU I hope we argue that sInce major college sports are also big business the NCAA and TV networks would be better served by a stronger IU basketball program not a “banned” or damaged program. We have been penalized enough already………….BAN KS and ……………………….FREE IU

]]> By: RobertSchell http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13121 RobertSchell Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:32:36 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13121 My, my, my....what a difference a year makes, eh ladies and gents? My, my, my….what a difference a year makes, eh ladies and gents?

]]> By: hoosier07 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13104 hoosier07 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:25:33 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13104 well put well put

]]> By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13065 tacojohn Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:23:32 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13065 Brand has nothing to do with the hearings or the case. Brand has nothing to do with the hearings or the case.

]]> By: Alex http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/comment-page-1/#comment-13092 Alex Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:22:49 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/06/13/open-thread-friday-the-13th-in-seattle/#comment-13092 I agree. We'd be better off taking a post season ban than we would losing more scholarships or taking on more limitations in recruiting. Problem is, if the NCAA wants to make an example out of IU, they'll realize the loss of additional scholarships would be a bigger loss for the program at this point. I agree. We'd be better off taking a post season ban than we would losing more scholarships or taking on more limitations in recruiting. Problem is, if the NCAA wants to make an example out of IU, they'll realize the loss of additional scholarships would be a bigger loss for the program at this point.

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