Comments on: Gordon talks about Sampson; Chad Ford talks about his draft position

By: CoveyDale

CoveyDale — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:49:25 +0000

hahaha. based on DeAndre's listed weight, maybe Gordon is actually closer to 250…

By: MikeinNC

MikeinNC — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:46:48 +0000

Is he really up to 220 now? I thought he was listed at 205…not that listed heights/weights ever mean much…I think we had Deandre Thomas listed at…ahem…295 lbs….

By: CoveyDale

CoveyDale — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:49:25 +0000

hahaha. based on DeAndre's listed weight, maybe Gordon is actually closer to 250…

By: MikeinNC

MikeinNC — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:46:48 +0000

Is he really up to 220 now? I thought he was listed at 205…not that listed heights/weights ever mean much…I think we had Deandre Thomas listed at…ahem…295 lbs….

By: CoveyDale

CoveyDale — Sat, 31 May 2008 20:12:12 +0000

which is more NBA ready?
6'4, 220
6'3, 182

throw the stats out the window. i think GMs will be more likely to look at Gordon's vastly superior measurements than Bayless' slight edge in assists per game (4 to 2.4).

and as a side note, the Knicks are going to end up trading down and getting DJ Augustin. they need a true point. that roster is filled with combo-guards: Jamal Crawford, Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, etc. getting Gordon or even Bayless (who is a combo-guard himself, just more inclined to be a point than Gordon) only adds to the log-jam.

By: CoveyDale

CoveyDale — Sat, 31 May 2008 20:01:10 +0000

2010 Knicks starting 5:
PG Chris Paul
SG Eric Gordon
SF LeBron James
PF David Lee
C Hasheem Thabeet

hey, i can dream right?

By: MemphisHoosier

MemphisHoosier — Fri, 30 May 2008 21:47:54 +0000

I'll be pulling for Eric no matter where he goes but I think Memphis could use him. Although its mostly just me wanting to see him on my hometown team I also think EJ, Conley, and Gay are a solid start torwards a winning team. Adding some big bodies who play defense and rebound with their second first round pick and their second round pick could be perfect with the scoring power Gay and Gordon could have.

By: JerryCT

JerryCT — Fri, 30 May 2008 18:34:44 +0000

I too appreciated EJ at IU . HOWEVER I hate to pour some cold water on the EJ lovefest by sharing some facts BUT……….

HOOSIERBEAT is absolutely correct. Bayless season stats far surpass Gordon , AND he at times scored 30+ with high assists at the same time …….==> TAKING OVER GAMES

I think both guys will be good in the NBA but if you need a PG with some scoring pop the facts are clearly with Bayless………….sorry

By: ricbraun

ricbraun — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:37:32 +0000

as a cavs fan, please no talks about lebron leaving. it makes me cry

By: flahoosier

flahoosier — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:48 +0000

He doesn't have the speed to play for D'Antoni, his game is much more like Paul Pierce without the handle and size. A bruising methodical player who can shoot and drives slow to the basket, using muscle instead of speed. Its really going to depend on if he learns how to dribble.

By: MKH

MKH — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:02:00 +0000

What I meant to convey is that I thought it absurd to take Bayless over Gordon, and I do – I think Gordon has perennial All-Star type potential. To the extent I implied that I think Bayless isn't a very good player, I retract the above.

By: B_MD

B_MD — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:58:46 +0000

Well put.

By: B_MD

B_MD — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:57:18 +0000

Big Ten Fresheman of the Year…First Team All Big-Ten.

I wish I could disappoint that well!!

This is a big time player who was on an overrated team playing for a coach that destroyed the season.

By: B_MD

B_MD — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:54:35 +0000

And he was also facing defenses that weren't worried about Ellis or Stemler/other PF, making it much more difficult to operate.

In the NBA he'll be playing one-on-one a lot more and be playing with much better talent around him, even on the Knicks.

Yes, he has a lot of improving to do on his handle and decision making, but that can be fixed.

By: MKH

MKH — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:54:21 +0000

“EJ has an elite NBA frame, and the edge in raw athleticism, but Bayless has a much better handle, sees the floor well and makes better decisions with the ball in his hands…”
I agree with this, though I'm going to continue to insist that EJ's handle issues are not that big a deal.
“His jumpshot and range are also on-par with Gordon. Additionally, Bayless displayed greater ability to really take over a game than EJ ever did.” I disagree with this. I think EJ's range and shooting is an edge, and Gordon's also better going to the rim (and converting on free throws) Gordon's always going to be a scorer – I don't think a point guard conversion is really in his best interest long term. But he's a better scorer than Bayless, comfortably, I think. Then again, it could be my Sun Devil bias showing, I guess.

By: hoostheman

hoostheman — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:36:35 +0000

I disagree. In terms of talent these two are extremely comparable. EJ has an elite NBA frame, and the edge in raw athleticism, but Bayless has a much better handle, sees the floor well and makes better decisions with the ball in his hands… Skills that obviously make him more versatile as he can split time between the 1 and 2. His jumpshot and range are also on-par with Gordon. Additionally, Bayless displayed greater ability to really take over a game than EJ ever did. Don't get me wrong, I love EJ and think he's going to have a great career… I just think you're selling Bayless short if you don't think they're at least close.

By: deedubbadoo

deedubbadoo — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:24:19 +0000

I am not an apologist but how can a kid that won Big-10 freshman of the year honors not to mention lead the Big-10 in scoring as a freshman and was in the top 20 overall in PPG, be a disappointment? Is it because he didn't score 50 a game and take us to the final four? Thank Kelvin Sampson for that!

Oh and here is a quote from the Indy Star about his hand:

We now learn that since the week of practice prior to the Jan. 31 game at Wisconsin, Gordon had been playing with a broken bone in that left wrist. It was kind of an 'Oh by the way' comment from Gordon's father in a story by Jeff Rabjohns within the last few days.

Here is a link to the article: http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archi...

Not in any way an apologist but for someone to say that kid was a disappoint is ludicrous. Good luck with Bayless!

By: hoosierbeat

hoosierbeat — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:18:05 +0000

Me too, you sound like an eric gordon (IU) apologist, who was watching with blinders on, and not being honest….

By: MKH

MKH — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:11:52 +0000

Many of those passes were NBA level passes that players simply weren't ready to receive. I honestly wonder if we watched the same player last year.

By: MKH

MKH — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:10:41 +0000

I echo that, Ben.