Comments on: Is IU guilty of “failure to monitor”? http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MikeinNC http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40582 MikeinNC Fri, 23 May 2008 01:54:12 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40582 I think IU is in a solid position here. They had ongoing monitoring in place, and the only reason the calls were not immediately discovered was that KS & Company were being very cagey in how they gamed the system. I don't think Sampson's claims will have a whole lot of weight with the NCAA, in a he said/she said I think IU wins hands down. I think IU is in a solid position here. They had ongoing monitoring in place, and the only reason the calls were not immediately discovered was that KS & Company were being very cagey in how they gamed the system. I don't think Sampson's claims will have a whole lot of weight with the NCAA, in a he said/she said I think IU wins hands down.

]]> By: hoosierfan27 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40581 hoosierfan27 Thu, 22 May 2008 23:00:42 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40581 RIP Will. Our prayers are with you and your family. RIP Will. Our prayers are with you and your family.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40575 JohnM Thu, 22 May 2008 22:04:34 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40575 As the report details, they were conducting regular checks of the cell phone and office phone records of all coaches. It isn't as if they stuck the records in a pile and didn't review them until the summer. What made them difficult to detect was that the three way call notation appeared only on Sampson's record of incoming calls, not on Senderoff's record of outgoing calls. The problem would not be apparent when just looking at one set of records, but only upon viewing the two sets of records together. Obviously, if it was caught later, it should have been caught sooner, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that the compliance depatment wasn't doing anything. They were conducting regular checks.<br><br>If I wanted to enter black helicopter land, I would examine not the failure to discover the calls in the first place, but whether there were any rumblings that led IU to specifically check for three way calls in the year-end review. As the report details, they were conducting regular checks of the cell phone and office phone records of all coaches. It isn't as if they stuck the records in a pile and didn't review them until the summer. What made them difficult to detect was that the three way call notation appeared only on Sampson's record of incoming calls, not on Senderoff's record of outgoing calls. The problem would not be apparent when just looking at one set of records, but only upon viewing the two sets of records together. Obviously, if it was caught later, it should have been caught sooner, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that the compliance depatment wasn't doing anything. They were conducting regular checks.

If I wanted to enter black helicopter land, I would examine not the failure to discover the calls in the first place, but whether there were any rumblings that led IU to specifically check for three way calls in the year-end review.

]]> By: Hoosiergirl http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40579 Hoosiergirl Thu, 22 May 2008 21:59:09 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40579 I was just going to post about this. Seen it on Big Ten Fever forums. Prayers sent heavenward for his family/friends. I was just going to post about this. Seen it on Big Ten Fever forums. Prayers sent heavenward for his family/friends.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40572 JohnM Thu, 22 May 2008 21:51:17 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40572 In the Long Beach State case mentioned by Alesia, the NCAA enforcement staff alleged a number of things, but did not charge Long Beach with "institutional failure to monitor." The Committee on Infractions informed Long Beach before the hearing that even though the enforcement staff hadn't charged it, the Committee was going to consider institutional failure to monitor. Long Beach had the chance to defend itself against the charge at the hearing and to file post-hearing responses. In the Long Beach case, there weren't any new factual allegations. The Committee believed that the facts supported such a charge, even though the enforcement staff had not asserted it. For a variety of reasons I think it's unlikely, but it certainly is possible that the Committee could add counts against IU that weren't charged by the enforcement staff. In the Long Beach State case mentioned by Alesia, the NCAA enforcement staff alleged a number of things, but did not charge Long Beach with “institutional failure to monitor.” The Committee on Infractions informed Long Beach before the hearing that even though the enforcement staff hadn't charged it, the Committee was going to consider institutional failure to monitor. Long Beach had the chance to defend itself against the charge at the hearing and to file post-hearing responses. In the Long Beach case, there weren't any new factual allegations. The Committee believed that the facts supported such a charge, even though the enforcement staff had not asserted it. For a variety of reasons I think it's unlikely, but it certainly is possible that the Committee could add counts against IU that weren't charged by the enforcement staff.

]]> By: cojames http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40578 cojames Thu, 22 May 2008 21:36:28 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40578 Sounds like a hell of a guy and someone we could all learn a lot from, and it's a tragedy something so unfortunate happened to such a good person. My prayers go out to his family, friends, and the kids whose lives he touched on a daily basis. Sounds like a hell of a guy and someone we could all learn a lot from, and it's a tragedy something so unfortunate happened to such a good person. My prayers go out to his family, friends, and the kids whose lives he touched on a daily basis.

]]> By: BobbyDigital http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40577 BobbyDigital Thu, 22 May 2008 21:21:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40577 This is completely off subject, but did anyone else see that Will Gladness died last week? Sounds like he was a hell of a good guy. Hadn't thought about him in years and its a shame for him to make the news like this... <br><br><a href="http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/226480/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/226480/</a> This is completely off subject, but did anyone else see that Will Gladness died last week? Sounds like he was a hell of a good guy. Hadn't thought about him in years and its a shame for him to make the news like this…

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/226480/

]]> By: PaulMc http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40576 PaulMc Thu, 22 May 2008 21:09:33 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40576 All coaches sign an agreement to produce any personal record requested. There is not a violation of their constitutional rights since they signed the agreement. The players if requested must also produce any personal records if requested.<br><br>IU dropped the ball on the oversight. My hope is the NCAA feels IU has taken enough proactive steps in order to curtail any additional punishment. All coaches sign an agreement to produce any personal record requested. There is not a violation of their constitutional rights since they signed the agreement. The players if requested must also produce any personal records if requested.

IU dropped the ball on the oversight. My hope is the NCAA feels IU has taken enough proactive steps in order to curtail any additional punishment.

]]> By: Alex http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40574 Alex Thu, 22 May 2008 21:03:15 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40574 The fact that an intern made this discovery really makes you wonder what the higher ups in the compliance department were doing during this time. The fact that an intern made this discovery really makes you wonder what the higher ups in the compliance department were doing during this time.

]]> By: tberry http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40573 tberry Thu, 22 May 2008 20:08:27 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40573 When IU hired Sampson, whomever made the decision, they knew he had had problems and accepted responsibility for his future actions. <br><br>Any serious effort to insure no future problems should have included a very severe monitoring program that would guarantee that any documented improprieties would be caught almost immediately and dealt with.<br><br>Just because IU EVENTUALLY found those improprieties is no defense. IU should have been on the program and especially phone usage like stink on s**t.<br><br>Greenspan is the AD and is ultimately responsible but I also accuse whomever was responsible for the Compliance Program. They should both loses their jobs and maybe the next to have those responsibilities will take them more responsibly. When IU hired Sampson, whomever made the decision, they knew he had had problems and accepted responsibility for his future actions.

Any serious effort to insure no future problems should have included a very severe monitoring program that would guarantee that any documented improprieties would be caught almost immediately and dealt with.

Just because IU EVENTUALLY found those improprieties is no defense. IU should have been on the program and especially phone usage like stink on s**t.

Greenspan is the AD and is ultimately responsible but I also accuse whomever was responsible for the Compliance Program. They should both loses their jobs and maybe the next to have those responsibilities will take them more responsibly.

]]> By: ALH_00 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40571 ALH_00 Thu, 22 May 2008 20:05:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40571 That excerpt doesn't make sense. If "monitoring" violations are not even alleged, how is it that the NCAA will punish IU for failing to monitor? Anyway, I think it's a joke to say that IU "failed". Like Jerry points out,, most of the calls were from non-university phones and when IU did find out, they self-reported and sanctioned themselves. I sure hope that IU is telling the truth because, if so, then I don't see the NCAA putting any additional sanctions. Then again... That excerpt doesn't make sense. If “monitoring” violations are not even alleged, how is it that the NCAA will punish IU for failing to monitor? Anyway, I think it's a joke to say that IU “failed”. Like Jerry points out,, most of the calls were from non-university phones and when IU did find out, they self-reported and sanctioned themselves. I sure hope that IU is telling the truth because, if so, then I don't see the NCAA putting any additional sanctions. Then again…

]]> By: hoosier07 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-40570 hoosier07 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:08:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-40570 Does anyone know if a "ruling" is determined right away after the hearing? Or do we have to drag this out even longer and wait weeks before we hear what penalties are being handed down?? Does anyone know if a “ruling” is determined right away after the hearing? Or do we have to drag this out even longer and wait weeks before we hear what penalties are being handed down??

]]> By: MikeinNC http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13454 MikeinNC Thu, 22 May 2008 18:54:12 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13454 I think IU is in a solid position here. They had ongoing monitoring in place, and the only reason the calls were not immediately discovered was that KS & Company were being very cagey in how they gamed the system. I don't think Sampson's claims will have a whole lot of weight with the NCAA, in a he said/she said I think IU wins hands down. I think IU is in a solid position here. They had ongoing monitoring in place, and the only reason the calls were not immediately discovered was that KS & Company were being very cagey in how they gamed the system. I don't think Sampson's claims will have a whole lot of weight with the NCAA, in a he said/she said I think IU wins hands down.

]]> By: hoosierfan27 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13442 hoosierfan27 Thu, 22 May 2008 16:00:42 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13442 RIP Will. Our prayers are with you and your family. RIP Will. Our prayers are with you and your family.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13400 JohnM Thu, 22 May 2008 15:04:34 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13400 As the report details, they were conducting regular checks of the cell phone and office phone records of all coaches. It isn't as if they stuck the records in a pile and didn't review them until the summer. What made them difficult to detect was that the three way call notation appeared only on Sampson's record of incoming calls, not on Senderoff's record of outgoing calls. The problem would not be apparent when just looking at one set of records, but only upon viewing the two sets of records together. Obviously, if it was caught later, it should have been caught sooner, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that the compliance depatment wasn't doing anything. They were conducting regular checks.<br><br>If I wanted to enter black helicopter land, I would examine not the failure to discover the calls in the first place, but whether there were any rumblings that led IU to specifically check for three way calls in the year-end review. As the report details, they were conducting regular checks of the cell phone and office phone records of all coaches. It isn't as if they stuck the records in a pile and didn't review them until the summer. What made them difficult to detect was that the three way call notation appeared only on Sampson's record of incoming calls, not on Senderoff's record of outgoing calls. The problem would not be apparent when just looking at one set of records, but only upon viewing the two sets of records together. Obviously, if it was caught later, it should have been caught sooner, but I don't think it's fair to suggest that the compliance depatment wasn't doing anything. They were conducting regular checks.

If I wanted to enter black helicopter land, I would examine not the failure to discover the calls in the first place, but whether there were any rumblings that led IU to specifically check for three way calls in the year-end review.

]]> By: Hoosiergirl http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13438 Hoosiergirl Thu, 22 May 2008 14:59:09 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13438 I was just going to post about this. Seen it on Big Ten Fever forums. Prayers sent heavenward for his family/friends. I was just going to post about this. Seen it on Big Ten Fever forums. Prayers sent heavenward for his family/friends.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13374 JohnM Thu, 22 May 2008 14:51:17 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13374 In the Long Beach State case mentioned by Alesia, the NCAA enforcement staff alleged a number of things, but did not charge Long Beach with "institutional failure to monitor." The Committee on Infractions informed Long Beach before the hearing that even though the enforcement staff hadn't charged it, the Committee was going to consider institutional failure to monitor. Long Beach had the chance to defend itself against the charge at the hearing and to file post-hearing responses. In the Long Beach case, there weren't any new factual allegations. The Committee believed that the facts supported such a charge, even though the enforcement staff had not asserted it. For a variety of reasons I think it's unlikely, but it certainly is possible that the Committee could add counts against IU that weren't charged by the enforcement staff. In the Long Beach State case mentioned by Alesia, the NCAA enforcement staff alleged a number of things, but did not charge Long Beach with “institutional failure to monitor.” The Committee on Infractions informed Long Beach before the hearing that even though the enforcement staff hadn't charged it, the Committee was going to consider institutional failure to monitor. Long Beach had the chance to defend itself against the charge at the hearing and to file post-hearing responses. In the Long Beach case, there weren't any new factual allegations. The Committee believed that the facts supported such a charge, even though the enforcement staff had not asserted it. For a variety of reasons I think it's unlikely, but it certainly is possible that the Committee could add counts against IU that weren't charged by the enforcement staff.

]]> By: cojames http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13428 cojames Thu, 22 May 2008 14:36:28 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13428 Sounds like a hell of a guy and someone we could all learn a lot from, and it's a tragedy something so unfortunate happened to such a good person. My prayers go out to his family, friends, and the kids whose lives he touched on a daily basis. Sounds like a hell of a guy and someone we could all learn a lot from, and it's a tragedy something so unfortunate happened to such a good person. My prayers go out to his family, friends, and the kids whose lives he touched on a daily basis.

]]> By: BobbyDigital http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13417 BobbyDigital Thu, 22 May 2008 14:21:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13417 This is completely off subject, but did anyone else see that Will Gladness died last week? Sounds like he was a hell of a good guy. Hadn't thought about him in years and its a shame for him to make the news like this... <br><br><a href="http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/226480/">http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/226480/</a> This is completely off subject, but did anyone else see that Will Gladness died last week? Sounds like he was a hell of a good guy. Hadn't thought about him in years and its a shame for him to make the news like this…

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/226480/

]]> By: PaulMc http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/comment-page-1/#comment-13408 PaulMc Thu, 22 May 2008 14:09:33 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/05/22/is-iu-guilty-of-failure-to-monitor/#comment-13408 All coaches sign an agreement to produce any personal record requested. There is not a violation of their constitutional rights since they signed the agreement. The players if requested must also produce any personal records if requested.<br><br>IU dropped the ball on the oversight. My hope is the NCAA feels IU has taken enough proactive steps in order to curtail any additional punishment. All coaches sign an agreement to produce any personal record requested. There is not a violation of their constitutional rights since they signed the agreement. The players if requested must also produce any personal records if requested.

IU dropped the ball on the oversight. My hope is the NCAA feels IU has taken enough proactive steps in order to curtail any additional punishment.

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