Comments on: Academic progress rate (APR) released by NCAA

By: JerryCT

JerryCT — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:08:32 +0000

Thanks to Dwight and Ben for catching me up

By: ALH_00

ALH_00 — Wed, 07 May 2008 23:09:21 +0000

I hate to cheer for poor performance, but not having additional punishment from the NCAA in the form of loss of scholarship(s) is a pretty huge victory right now.

So, hooray! (but I hear ya).

By: Ben_M

Ben_M — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:42:37 +0000

There is a 5 star 7 footer on the prowl after getting released from LSU……no word of IU in the mix, but that would be a sweet score…….nab van tresee and sutton…and we have a kick ass team

point guards: Crawford, Jones
shooting guards: Creek, Williams, Roth, Dumes
small forwards: Eltson, McGee
Power forwards: Van Tresse, Capo, Pritchard
Centers: Morgan, Sutton

Now that would be a team for 09…..national contender for sure

By: Dwight_K_Schrute

Dwight_K_Schrute — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:39:33 +0000

Here is an excellent breakdown on the scholarship situation on rivals.

http://indiana.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=942&C...

By: Ben_M

Ben_M — Wed, 07 May 2008 21:34:55 +0000

well you can have 13 scholarships on a regular year I think. We have self-imposed 1 scholly for next year do to old douche bag Kelvin sampson. So we have 12. We have 3 returning players….Crawford, McGee, and Taber. Now I dont' know if they are going to keep Taber on a scholarship or not because he was a walk on before last year. We have 5 scholarship newcommers. So that would be 8 out of 12 for next year. Then we only graduate Taber next year and we have 3 players signed for 09 plus we get our sholarship back from the sampson stuff. So that mean for next year we have 10 out of 13 scholarships spoken for. So we can use 2 more this year if we want. And still sign another for 09. Now we are looking at a kid named Sutton who is 6-10 an Iu is probably the favorite…….I look for us to sign him and save two scholarships for next year. Hopefully we get Scott VanTresse out of Indy (6-9) and another big man. I think that is all right.

By: JerryCT

JerryCT — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:15:44 +0000

Just returned from overseas the last 2 weeks and now all the news is hurting my head. Please , can anyone tell me now the '08 scholarships available and prospective '09 slots available ?

By: Ben_M

Ben_M — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:48:13 +0000

Ah…the good news continues. Now lets get some 6-9 to 7-2 guys in here and let get a banner hung.

By: JerryCT

JerryCT — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:08:32 +0000

Thanks to Dwight and Ben for catching me up

By: ALH_00

ALH_00 — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:09:21 +0000

I hate to cheer for poor performance, but not having additional punishment from the NCAA in the form of loss of scholarship(s) is a pretty huge victory right now.

So, hooray! (but I hear ya).

By: Ben_M

Ben_M — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:42:37 +0000

There is a 5 star 7 footer on the prowl after getting released from LSU……no word of IU in the mix, but that would be a sweet score…….nab van tresee and sutton…and we have a kick ass team

point guards: Crawford, Jones
shooting guards: Creek, Williams, Roth, Dumes
small forwards: Eltson, McGee
Power forwards: Van Tresse, Capo, Pritchard
Centers: Morgan, Sutton

Now that would be a team for 09…..national contender for sure

By: Dwight_K_Schrute

Dwight_K_Schrute — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:39:33 +0000

Here is an excellent breakdown on the scholarship situation on rivals.

http://indiana.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=942&C...

By: Ben_M

Ben_M — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:34:55 +0000

By: JerryCT

JerryCT — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:15:44 +0000

Just returned from overseas the last 2 weeks and now all the news is hurting my head. Please , can anyone tell me now the '08 scholarships available and prospective '09 slots available ?

By: Ben_M

Ben_M — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:48:13 +0000

Ah…the good news continues. Now lets get some 6-9 to 7-2 guys in here and let get a banner hung.

By: nealE

nealE — Wed, 07 May 2008 00:00:00 +0000

One thing that really bothers me about the APR is the extent to which transfers and leaving for the NBA impacts the score. To illustrate, let me give 4 examples:

1. A player is in poor academic standing, the school offers help and the player simply is not interested in going to class/studying. The player is talked to, has enough of it, and then decides to transfer.
2. A player is in good academic standing, thrives on and off the court, and decides to leave for the NBA.
3. A player is in good academic standing, decides the school or the coach isn't the right fit for him, and makes the decision to leave
4. A player is in poor academic standing, thrives on the court, and the the school does not do what it can to improve academic performance. At the end of the year decides to jump to the NBA (or transfer).

In the case of 1-3, i see no reason for the school to be punished. Yes, a player leaving in good standing hurts a school less than a player leaving in poor standing, but it hurts nonetheless. In case 1, where the player is at fault and not to school, a small loss of points is acceptable, but this would be a case where the school would get killed. The school could have given the kid a free ride, but they didn't. The player then transfers in poor standing. This is unfair to the school. In cases 2-3, I see absolutely no reason to punish the school. If the player is in good standing, why would the school's APR be affected when they leave, for whatever reason? Then there is case 4, where the current system works. Sadly, I think case 4 is the one that occurs most often. However, I do not think it occurs anywhere near 100% of the time.

I really think the APR is flawed. I know nothing about Purdue's academic support system or how it handles it's basketball team, but if what I read is true, and it lost enough points to mandate a scholarship loss (self imposed or not) due to a player transferring, then something is just plain wrong. Writing the NCAA rule book has to be a tough job. But I have to say, based on my knowledge of the APR and other sections of the book, the NCAA is in need of some help.

By: CoveyDale

CoveyDale — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:52:00 +0000

hooray?

By: CBinOR

CBinOR — Tue, 06 May 2008 21:15:36 +0000

Though the Indiana men’s basketball teams’ four year rolling-average of 899 puts it well within the range of established punishment boundaries set out by the Academic Progress Rate, the Hoosiers avoided the wrath this year.

The NCAA released its data for the 2006-07 academic year today. On the three page document that logs all of Indiana’s teams, a footnote explains that the basketball team was spared punishment because of the “team’s demonstrated academic improvement and favorable comparison based on other academic or institutional factors.”

Only one school, Purdue, had a lower APR for men’s basketball in the Big Ten. The Boilermakers are also the only conference school to suffer any penalty in basketball. They’ll suffer an “immediate punishment,” possibly the loss of a scholarship

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