Comments on: Decision on dismissed players looms for Crean http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:16:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JHoosiers77 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39693 JHoosiers77 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:10:18 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39693 My initial reponse is don't let the screen door hit either of them in the %$#@ on the way out - I don't want Dakich around next year either. There are plenty of ex IU players that would love to be a part of the program without all the baggage Dakich would bring. If Coach C wants McCallum to stay thats fine but only he if wants him, not because the players demand him. We got into this mess because the players demanded MD when Coach Knight was fired - let's move on and do what's right for the long term future not just for one season. If Coach C decides they can stay then I'll support him as previously stated since he has more info than we do. My guess is at least one of them will stay under whatever rules Coach C comes up with for them to follow. My initial reponse is don't let the screen door hit either of them in the %$#@ on the way out – I don't want Dakich around next year either. There are plenty of ex IU players that would love to be a part of the program without all the baggage Dakich would bring. If Coach C wants McCallum to stay thats fine but only he if wants him, not because the players demand him. We got into this mess because the players demanded MD when Coach Knight was fired – let's move on and do what's right for the long term future not just for one season. If Coach C decides they can stay then I'll support him as previously stated since he has more info than we do. My guess is at least one of them will stay under whatever rules Coach C comes up with for them to follow.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39684 JohnM Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:08:02 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39684 I don't think that IU has responded to the NCAA's findings yet. Still, it makes no sense for IU to have triggered the for-cause termination provisions in Sampson's contract absent a belief that some of the NCAA's findings are accurate. The best way to have kept the two parties on the same page would have been to not fire Sampson. Clearly, IU was on its way to doing that, so I don't see any way that Sampson and IU will be taking identical positions. I don't think that IU has responded to the NCAA's findings yet. Still, it makes no sense for IU to have triggered the for-cause termination provisions in Sampson's contract absent a belief that some of the NCAA's findings are accurate. The best way to have kept the two parties on the same page would have been to not fire Sampson. Clearly, IU was on its way to doing that, so I don't see any way that Sampson and IU will be taking identical positions.

]]> By: CBinOR http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39692 CBinOR Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:10:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39692 We indulge ourselves here. We have a free forum without consequence. I thank ITH. We also blame the victim when it comes to the problems our players have. Sampson stood in the homes of these young men and lied his ass off. He tried to be a buddy when he should have been a mentor and coach. That said the idea of bringing angry players back into a system they might poison is a real possibility. I do not envy Crean's decision but I trust him. Yes, yes I do. We indulge ourselves here. We have a free forum without consequence. I thank ITH. We also blame the victim when it comes to the problems our players have. Sampson stood in the homes of these young men and lied his ass off. He tried to be a buddy when he should have been a mentor and coach. That said the idea of bringing angry players back into a system they might poison is a real possibility. I do not envy Crean's decision but I trust him. Yes, yes I do.

]]> By: rifleman http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39690 rifleman Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:32:38 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39690 these two guys that wanted IU to listen to their demands and "blackmail" the program should not be let back on the team....(go get some DJ Whites who said.."It's an honor to wear the IU uniform")but if they are they should be on probation for the whole year and their academics should be in order and told if they even look at the coach wrong their lazy arses will be blasted out the door so fast they won't know what hit them...!!! these two guys that wanted IU to listen to their demands and “blackmail” the program should not be let back on the team….(go get some DJ Whites who said..”It's an honor to wear the IU uniform”)but if they are they should be on probation for the whole year and their academics should be in order and told if they even look at the coach wrong their lazy arses will be blasted out the door so fast they won't know what hit them…!!!

]]> By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39681 JerryCT Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:23:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39681 If I am not mistaken IU was asked by the NCAA to corraborate the NCAA findings but IU said they would only review the report and not check its facts. Don't we need KS to downplay or deny the allegations to lessen the idea that it was not "institutional" ? I don't see how we are served with IU saying he is guilty . As such we are in the same boat If I am not mistaken IU was asked by the NCAA to corraborate the NCAA findings but IU said they would only review the report and not check its facts. Don't we need KS to downplay or deny the allegations to lessen the idea that it was not “institutional” ? I don't see how we are served with IU saying he is guilty . As such we are in the same boat

]]> By: SoCalHoosier http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39688 SoCalHoosier Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:13:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39688 It seems to me there is a compromise situation that could take place. Let's accept the fact that the players screwed up big time and really want to come back to play for Crean and IU. Fine, let them come back as walk-ons instead of scholarship players, or only give them a half scholarship each. For AB, if he plays hard and follows the rules, he can earn a full scholarship back for his senior year. For Ellis, he can either take the 1/2 scholarship or drop out of school and never play college ball again, since he was a JC transfer and only has the one year left anyway. If they want to play badly enough, AND if the unknown issues are nothing more than missing some meetings and classes, then they can come back. Also, put them on a "last chance" contract - any violation of team rules or school rules for athletes and you are done for good. It seems to me there is a compromise situation that could take place. Let's accept the fact that the players screwed up big time and really want to come back to play for Crean and IU. Fine, let them come back as walk-ons instead of scholarship players, or only give them a half scholarship each. For AB, if he plays hard and follows the rules, he can earn a full scholarship back for his senior year. For Ellis, he can either take the 1/2 scholarship or drop out of school and never play college ball again, since he was a JC transfer and only has the one year left anyway. If they want to play badly enough, AND if the unknown issues are nothing more than missing some meetings and classes, then they can come back. Also, put them on a “last chance” contract – any violation of team rules or school rules for athletes and you are done for good.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39679 JohnM Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:57:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39679 "Ironically KS and IU MUST be on the same team/page in facing the NCAA. How will they make this happen ?"<br><br>I'm not sure how you figure. Sampson denies that he misled the NCAA or IU. Based on the school's actions after receiving the report, it seems clear that IU concluded that the NCAA's conclusions about Sampson's truthfulness were correct. Not much that can be done about that conflict. IU simply needs to be truthful and let Sampson do what he must. “Ironically KS and IU MUST be on the same team/page in facing the NCAA. How will they make this happen ?”

I'm not sure how you figure. Sampson denies that he misled the NCAA or IU. Based on the school's actions after receiving the report, it seems clear that IU concluded that the NCAA's conclusions about Sampson's truthfulness were correct. Not much that can be done about that conflict. IU simply needs to be truthful and let Sampson do what he must.

]]> By: jgongora86 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39676 jgongora86 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:15:57 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39676 nicely said nicely said

]]> By: earl http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-39686 earl Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:57:52 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-39686 Just another reason why Greespan should go. Having an interim coach with only a few days left as acting coach dismiss two starters makes absolutely no sense. They should have talked to the players and kept the matter under wraps until the new coach came aboard. Now they've made it a public issue, with some people believing in no tolerence and other wanting to consider it youthful indiscretion. <br><br>We should be happy this week that we have hired a talented, young coach and instead were still stuck talking about this and no matter how it turns out some people will complain. Just another reason why Greespan should go. Having an interim coach with only a few days left as acting coach dismiss two starters makes absolutely no sense. They should have talked to the players and kept the matter under wraps until the new coach came aboard. Now they've made it a public issue, with some people believing in no tolerence and other wanting to consider it youthful indiscretion.

We should be happy this week that we have hired a talented, young coach and instead were still stuck talking about this and no matter how it turns out some people will complain.

]]> By: JHoosiers77 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14268 JHoosiers77 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:10:18 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14268 My initial reponse is don't let the screen door hit either of them in the %$#@ on the way out - I don't want Dakich around next year either. There are plenty of ex IU players that would love to be a part of the program without all the baggage Dakich would bring. If Coach C wants McCallum to stay thats fine but only he if wants him, not because the players demand him. We got into this mess because the players demanded MD when Coach Knight was fired - let's move on and do what's right for the long term future not just for one season. If Coach C decides they can stay then I'll support him as previously stated since he has more info than we do. My guess is at least one of them will stay under whatever rules Coach C comes up with for them to follow. My initial reponse is don't let the screen door hit either of them in the %$#@ on the way out – I don't want Dakich around next year either. There are plenty of ex IU players that would love to be a part of the program without all the baggage Dakich would bring. If Coach C wants McCallum to stay thats fine but only he if wants him, not because the players demand him. We got into this mess because the players demanded MD when Coach Knight was fired – let's move on and do what's right for the long term future not just for one season. If Coach C decides they can stay then I'll support him as previously stated since he has more info than we do. My guess is at least one of them will stay under whatever rules Coach C comes up with for them to follow.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14226 JohnM Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:08:02 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14226 I don't think that IU has responded to the NCAA's findings yet. Still, it makes no sense for IU to have triggered the for-cause termination provisions in Sampson's contract absent a belief that some of the NCAA's findings are accurate. The best way to have kept the two parties on the same page would have been to not fire Sampson. Clearly, IU was on its way to doing that, so I don't see any way that Sampson and IU will be taking identical positions. I don't think that IU has responded to the NCAA's findings yet. Still, it makes no sense for IU to have triggered the for-cause termination provisions in Sampson's contract absent a belief that some of the NCAA's findings are accurate. The best way to have kept the two parties on the same page would have been to not fire Sampson. Clearly, IU was on its way to doing that, so I don't see any way that Sampson and IU will be taking identical positions.

]]> By: CBinOR http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14261 CBinOR Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:10:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14261 We indulge ourselves here. We have a free forum without consequence. I thank ITH. We also blame the victim when it comes to the problems our players have. Sampson stood in the homes of these young men and lied his ass off. He tried to be a buddy when he should have been a mentor and coach. That said the idea of bringing angry players back into a system they might poison is a real possibility. I do not envy Crean's decision but I trust him. Yes, yes I do. We indulge ourselves here. We have a free forum without consequence. I thank ITH. We also blame the victim when it comes to the problems our players have. Sampson stood in the homes of these young men and lied his ass off. He tried to be a buddy when he should have been a mentor and coach. That said the idea of bringing angry players back into a system they might poison is a real possibility. I do not envy Crean's decision but I trust him. Yes, yes I do.

]]> By: rifleman http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14252 rifleman Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:32:38 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14252 these two guys that wanted IU to listen to their demands and "blackmail" the program should not be let back on the team....(go get some DJ Whites who said.."It's an honor to wear the IU uniform")but if they are they should be on probation for the whole year and their academics should be in order and told if they even look at the coach wrong their lazy arses will be blasted out the door so fast they won't know what hit them...!!! these two guys that wanted IU to listen to their demands and “blackmail” the program should not be let back on the team….(go get some DJ Whites who said..”It's an honor to wear the IU uniform”)but if they are they should be on probation for the whole year and their academics should be in order and told if they even look at the coach wrong their lazy arses will be blasted out the door so fast they won't know what hit them…!!!

]]> By: JerryCT http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14221 JerryCT Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:23:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14221 If I am not mistaken IU was asked by the NCAA to corraborate the NCAA findings but IU said they would only review the report and not check its facts. Don't we need KS to downplay or deny the allegations to lessen the idea that it was not "institutional" ? I don't see how we are served with IU saying he is guilty . As such we are in the same boat If I am not mistaken IU was asked by the NCAA to corraborate the NCAA findings but IU said they would only review the report and not check its facts. Don't we need KS to downplay or deny the allegations to lessen the idea that it was not “institutional” ? I don't see how we are served with IU saying he is guilty . As such we are in the same boat

]]> By: SoCalHoosier http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14248 SoCalHoosier Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:13:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14248 It seems to me there is a compromise situation that could take place. Let's accept the fact that the players screwed up big time and really want to come back to play for Crean and IU. Fine, let them come back as walk-ons instead of scholarship players, or only give them a half scholarship each. For AB, if he plays hard and follows the rules, he can earn a full scholarship back for his senior year. For Ellis, he can either take the 1/2 scholarship or drop out of school and never play college ball again, since he was a JC transfer and only has the one year left anyway. If they want to play badly enough, AND if the unknown issues are nothing more than missing some meetings and classes, then they can come back. Also, put them on a "last chance" contract - any violation of team rules or school rules for athletes and you are done for good. It seems to me there is a compromise situation that could take place. Let's accept the fact that the players screwed up big time and really want to come back to play for Crean and IU. Fine, let them come back as walk-ons instead of scholarship players, or only give them a half scholarship each. For AB, if he plays hard and follows the rules, he can earn a full scholarship back for his senior year. For Ellis, he can either take the 1/2 scholarship or drop out of school and never play college ball again, since he was a JC transfer and only has the one year left anyway. If they want to play badly enough, AND if the unknown issues are nothing more than missing some meetings and classes, then they can come back. Also, put them on a “last chance” contract – any violation of team rules or school rules for athletes and you are done for good.

]]> By: JohnM http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14212 JohnM Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:57:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14212 "Ironically KS and IU MUST be on the same team/page in facing the NCAA. How will they make this happen ?"<br><br>I'm not sure how you figure. Sampson denies that he misled the NCAA or IU. Based on the school's actions after receiving the report, it seems clear that IU concluded that the NCAA's conclusions about Sampson's truthfulness were correct. Not much that can be done about that conflict. IU simply needs to be truthful and let Sampson do what he must. “Ironically KS and IU MUST be on the same team/page in facing the NCAA. How will they make this happen ?”

I'm not sure how you figure. Sampson denies that he misled the NCAA or IU. Based on the school's actions after receiving the report, it seems clear that IU concluded that the NCAA's conclusions about Sampson's truthfulness were correct. Not much that can be done about that conflict. IU simply needs to be truthful and let Sampson do what he must.

]]> By: jgongora86 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14122 jgongora86 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:15:57 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14122 nicely said nicely said

]]> By: earl http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14240 earl Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:57:52 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14240 Just another reason why Greespan should go. Having an interim coach with only a few days left as acting coach dismiss two starters makes absolutely no sense. They should have talked to the players and kept the matter under wraps until the new coach came aboard. Now they've made it a public issue, with some people believing in no tolerence and other wanting to consider it youthful indiscretion. <br><br>We should be happy this week that we have hired a talented, young coach and instead were still stuck talking about this and no matter how it turns out some people will complain. Just another reason why Greespan should go. Having an interim coach with only a few days left as acting coach dismiss two starters makes absolutely no sense. They should have talked to the players and kept the matter under wraps until the new coach came aboard. Now they've made it a public issue, with some people believing in no tolerence and other wanting to consider it youthful indiscretion.

We should be happy this week that we have hired a talented, young coach and instead were still stuck talking about this and no matter how it turns out some people will complain.

]]> By: rvrx http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14152 rvrx Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:37:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14152 The last time the admin let the players choose the coach we wound up with MD. Not saying McCallum would be that train wreck but also understand the desire to put as much distance between KS and IU as possible in a short period of time. Hope McCallum is offically on staff by end of week.<br><br>Also, have been around long enough to remember Lawrence Funderburk who said he wanted to play under RMK's discipline only to run in less than 2 months. Not sure B and E will be able to take the heat if they are used to getting strokes. The last time the admin let the players choose the coach we wound up with MD. Not saying McCallum would be that train wreck but also understand the desire to put as much distance between KS and IU as possible in a short period of time. Hope McCallum is offically on staff by end of week.

Also, have been around long enough to remember Lawrence Funderburk who said he wanted to play under RMK's discipline only to run in less than 2 months. Not sure B and E will be able to take the heat if they are used to getting strokes.

]]> By: BrianK http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/comment-page-1/#comment-14230 BrianK Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:10:47 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/04/07/decision-on-dismissed-players-looms-for-crean/#comment-14230 It wouldn;t hurt me if they didn;t comeback but I think he should give them one last chance under his system and his rules. make them jump through hoops to prove they want back. Kinda like Pitino did with Caracter, making him live in normal dorms away from teh team for awhile. They have been spoiled with KS not reinforcing them going to class etc and it was probably a shock to them how strict DD was. They are young men who need to learn and this could be one hell of a learnign experience. I think this is one of those moments that has serious life consequences for them. If they accept and follow through with what Crean lays out for them they will learn alot and would come out for the better. This would provide some serious attitude adjustments for them. If they can't then chances are they might never change. If he doesn;t allow them back then possibly the shock of that will help them but that would epend on where they end up. It wouldn;t hurt me if they didn;t comeback but I think he should give them one last chance under his system and his rules. make them jump through hoops to prove they want back. Kinda like Pitino did with Caracter, making him live in normal dorms away from teh team for awhile. They have been spoiled with KS not reinforcing them going to class etc and it was probably a shock to them how strict DD was. They are young men who need to learn and this could be one hell of a learnign experience. I think this is one of those moments that has serious life consequences for them. If they accept and follow through with what Crean lays out for them they will learn alot and would come out for the better. This would provide some serious attitude adjustments for them. If they can't then chances are they might never change. If he doesn;t allow them back then possibly the shock of that will help them but that would epend on where they end up.

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