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Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

by in Recruiting | March 6th, 2008

Devin EbanksPostmanR addressed the possibility of Devin Ebanks backing out of his letter of intent with Indiana and today, another report from Adam Zagoria’s blog states that the forward from Connecticut will do just that. Here is what Zagoria reported earlier today:

“I’ve heard from about 25 schools,” Lawrence McGugins, Ebanks’ AAU coach, said Thursday by phone. “It’s not going to be open recruiting. He’ll let us know the 2-4 schools (he’s considering) and I’ll contact the schools to let them know.”

Ebanks, ranked No. 2 among small forwards and No. 13 overall in the Class of 2008, has opted to de-commit from Indiana after former coach Kelvin Sampson was fired for repeated recruiting violations. Ebanks chose Indiana last summer over Miami, Rutgers and Texas.

Not a huge surprise here. Rick Bozich was the first to report Ebanks’ interest in Memphis and the Tigers appear to be the odds on favorite to land him. As far as Indiana fans are concerned, this hurts Indiana’s chances to be a top tier club next season, but beyond that the effect on the program should be minimal. Ebanks was likely a one-and-done and if he doesn’t want to come now that Sampson is gone, let him go and move on. The most important recruiting work still remains: keeping the current roster intact for next season as well as Terrell Holloway, Matt Roth and Tom Pritchard. Let’s hope the next coaching staff can do just that.

  • tberry

    IU will necessarily have to wait until after the NCAA tournament to have a shot at the best coaches.

    Having said that, I hope they have some idea of who they will talk to and will have come up with an offer that will make any of the coaches take a long hard look before turning IU down.

    There are several coaches that could be successful at IU in time but to get the program back quickly will require a big name. It will be interesting to see what IU will do.

    It is going to be a long spring and wait to find out.

  • Jerry

    I donot like one and done players anyway . They are difficult to build a team around. Often they donot result in good college teams as they try to put up their own numbers at the expense of others.

    Its so much better to build teams like the Purdue squad, Xavier, Drake, Butler,Duke, Fla and schools that lose a few in upper classmen only but still get darn good players. If Eubanks is a “one and done” then perhaps we are just as well off.

    Give me a DJ any day over an OJ Mayo

  • Jerry

    I certainly agree w you about the “big name” coach. To me this means you have a great track record in major wars with national recognition. Hungry guys with national scope who have won recent national awards are Tony Bennett and Jay Wright and since Villinova may not make the NCAA perhaps we talk to Wright early.

    I fear we will try to “Gerry Faust” this thing and go with a good guy but one who is not ready.

  • Tom Coverdale IU Hero

    Devin Ebanks is obviously a spectacular player but right now it looks like Matt Roth and Terrel Holloway will still be coming to IU along with Tom Pritchard and I do not think any of the players currently on the team will transfer so IU will have a solid squad again next year with Eli anchoring the paint and Armon and Crawford in the backcourt with Holloway and Roth coming off the bench we will still have Jamarcus, who will play better next year not being the third or fourth option on the floor,and who knows who the new coach will be able to get from JC

    Let Ebanks leave he didnt even make the McDonalds All American Game and he is supposed to be on the top 15 players in the country to me that throws up a red flag

    Im Nominating Armon Basset for Big Ten Player of the Year 2008-09 Season

  • ALH_00

    That sucks.

  • kelin

    It does suck but hopefully this is the last MAJOR consequence IU pays for KS doing…which further pisses me off at him. Hey maybe this free's up a scholly for someone in the following year and get B-Mac some more PT….just a thought.

    Ebanks good luck kid and I understand althoughhhhhhhh…….if you go to rutgers or miami…..enjoy playing in front of 15-125 people per night and good luck making the tourney…..THE BIG EAST tourney that is……

    You could at least talk to IU's new coach Anthony Grant, Sean Miller, or Brad Brownell….you can't sign until April anyhow.

  • Sam Snead

    Indiana probably isn't all the way out of the picture…..he probably just wants to explore options early because he may not like the new coach at IU….just a thought…or maybe somebody has a nice suv waiting for him

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    Kelin,

    It'd be an upset if he doesn't end up at Memphis.

  • kelin

    Me too………..I find it interesting that Ebanks and Holloway have these out clauses…I never new this could be done but also….what does that say about their 100% confidence in KS was on the straight and narrow? Damn this guy really screwed us and I don't expect him to fight the NCAA at all….

  • ALH_00

    “I donot like one and done players anyway.”

    I don't understand, under any circumstances, why you wouldn't want a Carmello Anthony, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, etc… Does that mean you also don't like having the Big 10's leading scorer in Cream and Crimson?

    It's true that you build “teams” better with four year players, but these “one and done” players often mean the difference between sweet sixteen and final four. I mean, what's wrong with building a team of four year players, with a sprinkle of great ones?

    There's a million reasons these guys are “one and done”, but the first is because they are really good at basketball. If they are quality kids, like EJ appears to be, I want them on IU, especially if they're from Indiana…but I digress.

  • http://www.insidethehall.com Alex

    It can't be written into the LOI from what I have read. Could be a verbal agreement between the players and the athletic department.

    This is from the National Letter of Intent's Web site:

    Is a National Letter of Intent binding if the coach of my sport leaves the institution?

    Yes. The National Letter of Intent you signed with an institution is valid if the coach who recruited you leaves the institution with which you signed. When you sign a National Letter of Intent you sign with an institution and not with a coach or a specific team.

  • Tim

    Heard on the radio tonight, Sampson is now working as a scout for the Spurs. The pacers are playing there tonight and Sampson was spotted on the Spurs sidelines before the game. I wouldn't be suprised if Sampson called Ebanks up and told him not to come to IU.

  • Martin34

    I hope that he at least talks to the new coach before making a final decision.

    That being said, I find the new poll very interesting. Bruce Pearl did not run a clean program at USI. There may have been no violations, but anyone that went to USI during the time he was there knows what I'm talking about.

  • MikeyD

    NEWS FLASH…Ebanks bolts to Memphis. The next day Calipari bolts for IU. I don't want Calipari, but that would be some funny schnit.

  • Dirk

    The only instance I'm aware of in which a school refused to release a player from a letter of intent happened at IU when RMK refused to release Lawrence Funderburke, causing him to go on a long a winding road to graduation. That was a classless move by RMK, and I don't care to see IU repeat it.

  • Tom Coverdale IU Hero

    If IU hires a guys that doesnt know what discipline is then i will never watch IU again or maybe only if they hire Calipari

  • steve

    A total classless act by RMK and I remember that. Release him now and if we get a top notch coach who knows. Some boring mid major and no way.

  • kelin

    Yes I like Bruce Pearl not totally sold on him if he had some issues at USI…I want a squeaky clean coach, if IU goes through this again I say SHUT down the basketball program FOREVER.

    If I had to label the coaches I would do this…..
    Sure fire proven coach, no risk…..Sean Miller
    Great coach some risk……Bruce Pearl
    Good up and coming coach, great recruiter, could win, some risk …..Anthony Grant

  • jgongora

    He really did that? Now I know he's a jerk.

  • jgongora
  • B (MD)

    We need to look at recent history for this hire. If we consider IU to be on the level historically of UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky and UNC then we should look at the blue print as all of those school have hired new coaches in the last 5-8 years or so, and all have been successful (Jury still out on Gillespe I suppose).

    None of those schools went the “young up and coming” route. They all went with a somewhat battle tested coach from a major conference, but not necessarily a major program (Williams from Kansas the exception).

    Howland came from Pitt (Big East), Self came from Illinois (Big Ten), Gillespe from A&M (Big 12) and Williams from Kansas (Big 12). You could argue IU already did this with Sampson, but I would say two things. 1) Minus the violations he was being successful on the court. 2) The blueprint seems to work, you just have to actually do your homework and work it correctly.

    With all that being said, I would start the search with this list before going the “young unproven route”. I'm sure I'm missing some, so feel free to add.

    In no particular order:
    Crean (Big East)
    Wright (Big East)
    Pearl (SEC…Assuming he's clean NCAA wise)
    Matta (Big Ten)
    Hewitt (ACC)
    Barnes (Don't really like him, but he fits the criteria here)

    Just my two cents. If we go the young route, I would then go with Miller or Bennett.

  • http://www.xl950.com CoveyDale

    IU should hold him to that LOI until they hire a new head coach.

    let ebanks be free to explore whatever options he wants in the meantime. i think he should at least give IU the chance (and if he doesn't, IU make him) to bring in somebody new and see if he can develop a good relationship with that coach and if he likes his philosophy.

    rememeber, DJ originally said he was definitely transferring after davis left until he got the chance to sit down with sampson and then decided to stay. vaden bolted town before even giving sampson a handshake.

  • http://cubshaikus.blogspot.com SocksShortsSwish

    How does Anthony Grant get the “up and coming” label and not Sean Miller???

    I've got to be honest, I don't get the Anthony Grant thing. He's a second year coach. He plays in what I consider a “second-tier” mid-major. The Colonial isn't exactly CUSA or the Horizon League. I get that he engineered a great tourney victory last year, and almost beat Pitt in the 2nd round. I get that he's been under the tutelage of Billy Donovan. All well and good.

    But he's got a guy on his team that doesn't belong in the Colonial. Eric Maynor is REALLY good. And he's not Grant's recruit. So, is it the coaching or is it Jeff Capel's recruiting?

    I'm not saying it's one or the other. I'm just saying that's too big of a question for a program like Indiana to attempt to answer.

    Who has VCU beaten in Grant's time? You could argue they really haven't beaten anyone they shouldn't have this year. A win over Houston is nice. Their one quality win this year is at Maryland, which is a GREAT win. So, we're hanging our hat on 2 quality wins in 2 years? When the reason for those wins could be a player that could start for a lot of Top 25 teams? When that player wasn't recruited by said coach?

  • Jerry

    AMEN ! B(MD). FInally a guy on this site who wants PROVEN vs SPECULATION….therefore no Grant , Brownell in the list ……even though they could be good at IU over time. I want to recruit and win now.

    Wall Street Journal has on the front page of the Weekend section a sleazy story about recruting of Delmar Derozan at USC. KS maybe broke rules but sleazy ?????

  • http://www.xl950.com CoveyDale

    i disagree. i think IU should definitely go the “young up and coming route.” UCLA, Kansas, and Kentucky is a pretty small sample size – and those three weren't nearly in the same shape that IU is right now when they hired their coaches (even Lavin went to five Sweet 16s in a row before a bad 2003 season).

    just because Scott Drew, Brad Brownell or Anthony Grant haven't had head coaching experience with a major program doesn't mean they couldn't develop into successful (and more importantly long-time) coaches at Indiana.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    “It's true that you build “teams” better with four year players, but these “one and done” players often mean the difference between sweet sixteen and final four. I mean, what's wrong with building a team of four year players, with a sprinkle of great ones?”

    That formula has worked rather well for a couple of teams around here. I'm not sure if anyone knows it, but Duke and North Carolina are pretty good squads year in and year out.

    Hating one-and-done players is a little close-minded. Would I like to see a good player stay for four years if he's on my favorite team? Yeah. But what if Gordon stayed with Illinois? We'd be all posting about how he's ready and needs to go now!

    By the way, Robbie Hummel, I think you're ready.

    Having a mix of top notch players that take a couple of years to develop mixed in with the outstanding high school star ready for the cash of the NBA is the way to really excel in the college game now. For the one-and-done guys, you tip your cap after a Final Four run, say “Thank you, young man and good luck” and then start looking to properly fill the void when he is gone.

  • Jerry

    Curious comments yours…………….. seeing how none of your examples won anythign except Carmelo, who had 4 other terrific players around him and forced him into team ball. Cuse lost alot early that year directly due to his hogging of the ball. The point is these guys need to sacrifice their game for the team and if not I donot want them.

    UCLA, Memphis, Tenn, Duke, UNC, Kansas , UCONN, Georgetown, Xavier, Texas all need a one and done to be in the hunt this year ? How many did Fla have last 2 years ?

    Think again with facts this time

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    Um…Miami is in the ACC. And they have a pretty good crowd most nights. And they're probably going to the NCAA tournament this year.

    Second, I believe the Big East plays all sixteen teams now. People griped about it, so they changed it. Eventually, they're going to wise up and realize that 16 teams is way too many.

    Plus, they have a section for students where they get to come in wearing beach wear.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    Er, by “they” (in the third paragraph) I meant “Miami”.

  • http://cubshaikus.blogspot.com SocksShortsSwish

    Even though I'm on the Sean Miller bandwagon (because I think he is nominally proven), I like the idea of Paul Hewitt being floated out there. I've always respected his teams, and let's take a look at his recruiting…

    Chris Bosh
    Javaris Crittenden
    Jarrett Jack
    Thaddeus Young
    Luke Schenscher
    Will Bynum
    Anthony Morrow
    BJ Elder
    Mario West

    Quite the load of talent. However, I guess you could argue Hewitt hasn't gotten far with said talent, even though it's a little tougher in the ACC.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    Of course there's something waiting for him. Big A said that Memphis is the frontrunner.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    Anyone who played against them, too, knew it.

  • http://cubshaikus.blogspot.com SocksShortsSwish

    I think Horford, Noah and possibly Brewer all thought they would be one and done, but really liked college. Hard to dislike it when you're in Florida I suppose.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    Sean Miller is already there. He has a team in the top 10. VCU's not ranked, so that leaves Grant as an “up-and-coming”.

  • Jerry

    So what you disagree with is ” I want to win now”.?………or is it that Bennett, Wright and Miller are too PROVEN ? We want it to take longer ? Mark Few is too experienced ?

    I think I said your boys are good just not ready NOW

  • http://cubshaikus.blogspot.com SocksShortsSwish

    Ah, I guess when I originally read it, I took his lack of “up and comer” status as a knock.

    Hard to believe a 38 year old is already “there”, but I truly think he is.

    Miller '08: Yes we can!

  • Jerry

    SOrry SOcks but I think you made the wrong case here ( good players but no championships )for a good coach.

    You need to try his success w Siena in the NCAA as your argument then you have something

  • http://cubshaikus.blogspot.com SocksShortsSwish

    Kind of why I'm on the Sean Miller bandwagon. Was just saying Hewitt was a name I hadn't considered, and he's a good recruiter.

    Note the caveat at the end of my diatribe. Don't think he's a winner, but just an interesting candidate.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    Two things, the CAA is pretty much in league with the MVC. Of the “mid-majors” (cleans foul taste out of mouth), the CAA is tops with the Missouri Valley. You have to look at the strength of the entire league, and not just the top team in the league (as with Memphis and Butler in the C-USA and Horizon, respectively). The CAA will probably field two teams this year in the tournament, which is a bad year for the CAA. They have recently been counted on four three to four teams with a few others sitting on the bubble (remember, George Mason and UNC-Wilmington are CAA schools). The Horizon gets two schools in only if Wright State upsets Butler.

    Second…beating Maryland at Maryland isn't that great a deal this year. American did it. Why aren't we talking about Jeff Jones. Ohio also won there this year. Virginia Tech did it, and they're firmly on a very tenuous bubble for the NCAA.

  • B (MD)

    I do like Miller. I think he kind of falls somewhere in the middle of the already proven/young up and comer.

    Maybe we can all compromise with that.

    To CoveyDale: I hear what you're saying, but how many historically major programs are there? UNC – Kentucky – UCLA – Kansas…Maybe Duke? Well I mentioned four of those five in my list. With the available pool of major programs, that's a large sample size.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    What's Bill Self done at Kansas? Lost to Bucknell in the first round. Hasn't advanced far since. He can recruit, but what does he do with those recruits?

    Roy Williams won, but with Matt Doherty's players. If he doesn't go to the Final Four again this year, there might be some grumblings coming from Chapel Hill.

    Gillespie has guided Kentucky to a very tenuous bubble position for the NCAA.

    The only one out of there that has done really well has been Howland. And like Coveydale said, Lavin had already put a pretty solid core there (bunch of Sweet 16s in a row). So don't think because a guy has been able to do well briefly makes him the best solution for Indiana long term.

    Marquette has been grossly overrated in Crean's time there, Pearl is excelling in an SEC that features Vanderbilt and a rebuilding LSU, Florida and Kentucky squads, Matta isn't going anywhere, Hewitt is a colossal underachiever at Ga Tech (seriously? Matt Causey?) and Rick Barnes is an even greater choke job in Texas.

    Of the “established” coaches you've listed, only Wright or Matta would make the cut, as far as I'm concerned.

  • B (MD)

    I agree. Make him meet the new coach before you let him out, assuming IU makes a quick decision once the season ends. If they drag their feet until the NCAA hearing in June (which I don't think they can afford to do or will do) then you have to let him out beforehand.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    I think he's garnered a lot of respect nationally for being able to handle the constant turnover at Xavier and then go out and do so well with the talent he has. Granted, they lost last night, but losing at St. Joe's isn't like losing at, say, Northwestern.

  • B (MD)

    You just made absolutely no sense at all, and with your logic there are no good coaches in the country. You just questioned the coaching abilities of the men coach the #1, #3, #4, #5 and #9 teams in the country. Plus Hewitt and Matta have both taken teams to the championship game and Gillepe took Texas A&M to the Elite 8…Texas A&M?!?!

    There's so many Final Fours and championship game appearances in that list that I don't even have the time to research the total number.

    IU should be so lucky

  • http://www.xl950.com CoveyDale

    i didn't say that Drew, Brownell or Grant are better than any of those guys above (except Crean who is awful). im just saying that immediately disqualifying your “guys that aren't ready” from the coaching search because they aren't PROVEN is ridiculous.

    let's face it, regardless of who comes in, IU is going to have to rebuild for 1-2 seasons (at least). it's not like Wright or Miller is going to suddenly take the 2008-09 IU team to a Elite 8/Final 4 and someone like Grant or Brownell would automatically take them to the NIT.

    IU should be willing to give the young “unproven” guys that don't already coach big-time programs a chance to come in and continue the promise they've already shown with their schools (Grant: VCU, Brownell: UNCW, wright state and Drew: baylor, valpo). those guys have all had a lot of success and are great recruiters – it's not like i'm advacating hiring dane fife here.

  • http://www.xl950.com CoveyDale

    i agree to the extent that i will never pick Kansas to EVER make the final four as long as bill self is there.

    as for crean, i couldn't agree more. he is a chronic underachiever that hasn't done anything outside of the 2003 squad led by dwayne wade and travis diener. hiring him would be a disaster.

  • http://cubshaikus.blogspot.com SocksShortsSwish

    So, let's look at the last 10 national champions:
    Billy Donovan
    Billy Donovan
    Roy Williams
    Jim Calhoun
    Jim Boeheim
    Gary Williams
    Coach K
    Tom Izzo
    Jim Calhoun
    Tubby Smith

    Those are pretty household names. Who out of these guys were “up and comers”?

    Answer: none. They had paid their dues, for the most part, at their respective schools.

    Just trying to make the point that this thing won't happen over-night, so hopefully WHOEVER coaches next year gets a very big grace period.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    UCLA: Kevin Love
    Memphis: Derrick Rose

    Duke and UNC will not be in the hunt.
    Same with Georgetown and UConn (moreso UConn).
    Texas' ineffective coach will make sure they aren't in it next year.

    Think again with facts before you retort.

  • http://matthewjenks.blogspot.com Matt J.

    You need to ask yourself, then, do you want to be highly ranked or do you want to be winning championships.

    You need to look past the rankings. UNC is terribly flawed and will most likely not be number 1 next week. How many championships did Roy Williams win at Kansas again? Memphis is in a league of also rans, at best. Tennessee looked oh so impressive at Florida, a team that probably won't make the tournament this year, but is still living high off the bounce of beating a horribly overrated Memphis team. Duke

    Matta, good coach. Gillespie? Eh, the jury's still out. Hewitt's run to the final game was a fluke. Just how good is Ga Tech this year in a down ACC? Are they even over .500? Yeah, they played IU tough and Kansas tough, but to say that Paul Hewitt is the answer to anything other than “Who coached the team that lost to Connecticutt the second time” is delusional, at best.

  • Jerry

    I understand you have an open shot but your shot keeps falling short.

    You are aiming for a 2pt shot while I am aiming for the 3 and the win,,,NOW.

    Bo Ryan did not take 2 seasons to reload after losing 60+% of his scoring from last year. Sampson did pretty well last yr with what he was handed.

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