Comments on: The Morning After: Ohio State v.2.0 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-37840 tacojohn Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:31:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-37840 There's some times when I wish Eric Gordon was off somewhere else, and we could enjoy him from afar. Because now I question who is more critical and negative about EJ: us or Illinois fans. There's some times when I wish Eric Gordon was off somewhere else, and we could enjoy him from afar. Because now I question who is more critical and negative about EJ: us or Illinois fans.

]]> By: b_side http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-37839 b_side Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:06:55 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-37839 Kris Humphries from Minnesota. He killed us and was just a freshman leading the league in scoring and rebounding (22 and 10). <br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Humphries" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Humphries</a> Kris Humphries from Minnesota. He killed us and was just a freshman leading the league in scoring and rebounding (22 and 10).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Humphries

]]> By: b_side http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-37838 b_side Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:03:46 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-37838 Uh, didn't that questionable shot win an NCAA tournament game over SDSU? I'd take Vaden over Jamarcus Ellis at our other wing spot any day of the week. Uh, didn't that questionable shot win an NCAA tournament game over SDSU? I'd take Vaden over Jamarcus Ellis at our other wing spot any day of the week.

]]> By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16768 tacojohn Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:31:39 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16768 There's some times when I wish Eric Gordon was off somewhere else, and we could enjoy him from afar. Because now I question who is more critical and negative about EJ: us or Illinois fans. There's some times when I wish Eric Gordon was off somewhere else, and we could enjoy him from afar. Because now I question who is more critical and negative about EJ: us or Illinois fans.

]]> By: b_side http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16379 b_side Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:06:55 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16379 Kris Humphries from Minnesota. He killed us and was just a freshman leading the league in scoring and rebounding (22 and 10). <br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Humphries">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Humphries</a> Kris Humphries from Minnesota. He killed us and was just a freshman leading the league in scoring and rebounding (22 and 10).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Humphries

]]> By: b_side http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16140 b_side Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:03:46 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16140 Uh, didn't that questionable shot win an NCAA tournament game over SDSU? I'd take Vaden over Jamarcus Ellis at our other wing spot any day of the week. Uh, didn't that questionable shot win an NCAA tournament game over SDSU? I'd take Vaden over Jamarcus Ellis at our other wing spot any day of the week.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-17055 Andrew Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:08:41 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-17055 You write "...the thought that Dan Dakich is somehow the right coach for IU for the long-term future is just laughable. Even Dan Dakich knows this." How in the world do you know Dakich feels this way? Did he tell you himself? You really don't think he has any more pride than that? Are you basing this on the fact that he hasn't publically campaigned for the full-time job? I'm sure the majority of IU fans believe he is not the long-term solution, but to suggest that he feels that way himself - unless he told you personally, which i highly, highly doubt - is, to borrow your terminology, just laughable. You write “…the thought that Dan Dakich is somehow the right coach for IU for the long-term future is just laughable. Even Dan Dakich knows this.” How in the world do you know Dakich feels this way? Did he tell you himself? You really don't think he has any more pride than that? Are you basing this on the fact that he hasn't publically campaigned for the full-time job? I'm sure the majority of IU fans believe he is not the long-term solution, but to suggest that he feels that way himself – unless he told you personally, which i highly, highly doubt – is, to borrow your terminology, just laughable.

]]> By: Sherron Wilkerson http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-17026 Sherron Wilkerson Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:46:24 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-17026 It was a bad YMCA game, no more, no less It was a bad YMCA game, no more, no less

]]> By: briank http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16947 briank Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:23:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16947 I think if IU could find a way to reconcile with him in some type of way that he would somehow accept it would help some. Thats what people want. Fans would die to see Knight in Assembly to be able to say good bye. That would go a long way into helping. Like you said Kentucky doesn't go after Rupp disiples (mainly because there really are none anymore) but they go after Pitino diciples. Coaching is like horse racing if a winner shows he can breed good you try to stick with their lineage when betting. I don't think there are really any good enough Knight lineage out there right now. At least none that deserver the IU job. I would love soem miracle though that would enable Knight to come to Assembly Hall one last time to thanks and good bye like we should of been able to. I think if IU could find a way to reconcile with him in some type of way that he would somehow accept it would help some. Thats what people want. Fans would die to see Knight in Assembly to be able to say good bye. That would go a long way into helping. Like you said Kentucky doesn't go after Rupp disiples (mainly because there really are none anymore) but they go after Pitino diciples. Coaching is like horse racing if a winner shows he can breed good you try to stick with their lineage when betting. I don't think there are really any good enough Knight lineage out there right now. At least none that deserver the IU job. I would love soem miracle though that would enable Knight to come to Assembly Hall one last time to thanks and good bye like we should of been able to.

]]> By: ALH_00 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16858 ALH_00 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:11:03 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16858 That rest is going to be very important. I think we'll see a more focused and energetic team. Whether they pull off a BIG road win, I don't know. IU is better than MSU, but Tom Izzo is a good coach and when's the last time IU won at the Breslin? Ever? That rest is going to be very important. I think we'll see a more focused and energetic team. Whether they pull off a BIG road win, I don't know. IU is better than MSU, but Tom Izzo is a good coach and when's the last time IU won at the Breslin? Ever?

]]> By: ronb http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-17000 ronb Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:54:20 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-17000 Maybe Rick wasn't the best example but there are dozen of examples where a good mid-major coach could not handle the big school. I am not for or against anyone. I happen to<br>think Bennett is a good one to interview. I was just trying to get you guys to understand<br>what is hot for the moment is not always best. This has to be a good choice this time. We<br>don't have time or money to keep starting over every 2 or 3 years. We need someone good who will build IU back to where we all want,win,follow rules and help kids get an<br>education. If that is a good young coach or a seasoned coach I don't care. What worries<br>me is who's picking! Maybe Rick wasn't the best example but there are dozen of examples where a good mid-major coach could not handle the big school. I am not for or against anyone. I happen to
think Bennett is a good one to interview. I was just trying to get you guys to understand
what is hot for the moment is not always best. This has to be a good choice this time. We
don't have time or money to keep starting over every 2 or 3 years. We need someone good who will build IU back to where we all want,win,follow rules and help kids get an
education. If that is a good young coach or a seasoned coach I don't care. What worries
me is who's picking!

]]> By: JamesHardy http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16255 JamesHardy Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:38:51 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16255 ah...someone else who heard KS say that during the Illinois game!!! Whew, I thought I was the only one that heard that and had issues with it!!! Saaaweeeeeet! ah…someone else who heard KS say that during the Illinois game!!! Whew, I thought I was the only one that heard that and had issues with it!!! Saaaweeeeeet!

]]> By: JamesHardy http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16116 JamesHardy Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:37:22 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16116 DJ was removed right around the 1:00 mark I believe. There may have been less time, but I'm positive he was removed. As far as EJ goes, I completely agree with Postman R's comment about KS and DD letting EJ do his thing just like MD did with Vaden. That was the greatest thing for me about MD leaving for UAB...he took Vaden and his "questionable" shot selection with him. I can't blame Vaden just like I won't blame EJ...at some point the coach has to be the adult and teach these guys how to play as one five-man team instead of five one-man teams. It is definitely a maturity thing in my opionion. DJ was removed right around the 1:00 mark I believe. There may have been less time, but I'm positive he was removed. As far as EJ goes, I completely agree with Postman R's comment about KS and DD letting EJ do his thing just like MD did with Vaden. That was the greatest thing for me about MD leaving for UAB…he took Vaden and his “questionable” shot selection with him. I can't blame Vaden just like I won't blame EJ…at some point the coach has to be the adult and teach these guys how to play as one five-man team instead of five one-man teams. It is definitely a maturity thing in my opionion.

]]> By: DC Hoosier http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16916 DC Hoosier Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:28:40 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16916 You're off in a few ways here about UK and UCLA. First, Rupp and Wooden have been retired for over 30 years. Second, each retired, rather than being dismissed. So Wooden and Rupp each decided that his career was over at the school, rather than leaving a lingering distaste with the ending. Third, both Kentucky (with trying to bring back Billy Donovan) and UCLA (with Ben Howland) either tried to or did bring in a coach with previous ties to the school with their most recent hire, although neither was a disciple of their long-retired coaching greats.<br><br>All that said, having an IU connection is important to me only in breaking ties between otherwise equally qualified candidates. I wish people would quit bringing up Knight, too. It only makes it tougher for this team and the new coach going forward. You're off in a few ways here about UK and UCLA. First, Rupp and Wooden have been retired for over 30 years. Second, each retired, rather than being dismissed. So Wooden and Rupp each decided that his career was over at the school, rather than leaving a lingering distaste with the ending. Third, both Kentucky (with trying to bring back Billy Donovan) and UCLA (with Ben Howland) either tried to or did bring in a coach with previous ties to the school with their most recent hire, although neither was a disciple of their long-retired coaching greats.

All that said, having an IU connection is important to me only in breaking ties between otherwise equally qualified candidates. I wish people would quit bringing up Knight, too. It only makes it tougher for this team and the new coach going forward.

]]> By: MPmike http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16972 MPmike Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:25:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16972 On Eric Gordon, the most frustrating thing is that we are 28 games into the season and he hasn't improved on his ball handling and decision making. Everyone else has improved a little, even Jordan Crawford has looked better in the t/o department.<br> Gordon needs to slow down and pick his spots when he is driving to the hole without getting ripped or lose the ball often. He needs to better protect the ball and make better passes when he is driving. There is a lack of just being mentally smart when he is driving to the basket. He also needs to use his ability to shoot more inside of the three point range because he has a nice touch and athletic ability to get his shot over most guards and forwards.<br> On the Kelvin Sampson issue, at least someone in the media is looking at the Sampson ordeal in a non-bias way. I give credit to Brent Musberger in standing by his opinion since no one else has the guts too. Sampson has not been proven guilty of anything, so you need to calm down, (Postman E) on getting upset on people defending Sampson. <br><br> Also, I agree on not hiring Dakich. He has not proven that he can win on this level yet and I don't know if he can. I believe that IU will not go far into this season because they lack the great leadership from Sampson. I hope Dakich and the players can prove me wrong, but I doubt it. <br> Finally, I like to give credit to Kellen Sampson for staying with the program and being there for the players and for IU. He has showed true class. On Eric Gordon, the most frustrating thing is that we are 28 games into the season and he hasn't improved on his ball handling and decision making. Everyone else has improved a little, even Jordan Crawford has looked better in the t/o department.
Gordon needs to slow down and pick his spots when he is driving to the hole without getting ripped or lose the ball often. He needs to better protect the ball and make better passes when he is driving. There is a lack of just being mentally smart when he is driving to the basket. He also needs to use his ability to shoot more inside of the three point range because he has a nice touch and athletic ability to get his shot over most guards and forwards.
On the Kelvin Sampson issue, at least someone in the media is looking at the Sampson ordeal in a non-bias way. I give credit to Brent Musberger in standing by his opinion since no one else has the guts too. Sampson has not been proven guilty of anything, so you need to calm down, (Postman E) on getting upset on people defending Sampson.

Also, I agree on not hiring Dakich. He has not proven that he can win on this level yet and I don't know if he can. I believe that IU will not go far into this season because they lack the great leadership from Sampson. I hope Dakich and the players can prove me wrong, but I doubt it.
Finally, I like to give credit to Kellen Sampson for staying with the program and being there for the players and for IU. He has showed true class.

]]> By: Timmy http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16886 Timmy Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:14:10 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16886 We've definitely lacked intensity since Coach Sampson resigned. Double D was in an admin role for a reason. <br><br>I don't see uk fans conjuring up the name Adolph Rupp or ucla fans throwing Wooden disciples at us so why IU fans keep bringing up knight to embarrass us is beyond me. We've definitely lacked intensity since Coach Sampson resigned. Double D was in an admin role for a reason.

I don't see uk fans conjuring up the name Adolph Rupp or ucla fans throwing Wooden disciples at us so why IU fans keep bringing up knight to embarrass us is beyond me.

]]> By: Hoosier_Hound http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16714 Hoosier_Hound Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:04:09 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16714 I know what you're getting at, but your examples are terrible. The jump the next IU coach might be making is from mid-major college to major college, not from college to the NBA. A better example than Rick Pitino is Dan Monson who took Gonzaga to the Elite Eight in his second year as head coach, but then flopped in six years at Minnesota.<br><br>You are off some on Tony Bennett too. This may only be his second year as head coach at Washington State, but it's his fifth year there after three seasons as the anointed successor. He recruited everybody that's currently on Washington State as an assistant, and they all knew he was going to be the head coach by now.<br><br>Lastly, since Greenspan is conducting the coaching search, that means there has been a decision made about him. He's staying, and the administration has actually made that pretty clear. I know what you're getting at, but your examples are terrible. The jump the next IU coach might be making is from mid-major college to major college, not from college to the NBA. A better example than Rick Pitino is Dan Monson who took Gonzaga to the Elite Eight in his second year as head coach, but then flopped in six years at Minnesota.

You are off some on Tony Bennett too. This may only be his second year as head coach at Washington State, but it's his fifth year there after three seasons as the anointed successor. He recruited everybody that's currently on Washington State as an assistant, and they all knew he was going to be the head coach by now.

Lastly, since Greenspan is conducting the coaching search, that means there has been a decision made about him. He's staying, and the administration has actually made that pretty clear.

]]> By: Hoosier_Hound http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16828 Hoosier_Hound Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:53:28 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16828 E, if you keep posting these threads later and later, before long you'll have to call them The Morning After The Morning After.<br><br>The game last night was a brickfest. All those misses along with some inconsistent refereeing made for an unenjoyable game. It felt like IU was playing Penn State or some non-conference nobody. It took a Bassett three and a Gordon putback dunk in the last two minutes to get the crowd to make any noise.<br><br>BUT, they won. IU remains tied atop the Big Ten standings for now. The team has a nice rest before they head up to MSU on Sunday. They need to use the time to allow DJ to get up to 100% and to refocus the entire team on this remaining crucial game. E, if you keep posting these threads later and later, before long you'll have to call them The Morning After The Morning After.

The game last night was a brickfest. All those misses along with some inconsistent refereeing made for an unenjoyable game. It felt like IU was playing Penn State or some non-conference nobody. It took a Bassett three and a Gordon putback dunk in the last two minutes to get the crowd to make any noise.

BUT, they won. IU remains tied atop the Big Ten standings for now. The team has a nice rest before they head up to MSU on Sunday. They need to use the time to allow DJ to get up to 100% and to refocus the entire team on this remaining crucial game.

]]> By: kelin http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16795 kelin Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:38:26 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16795 TD...I think it is safe to say we ALL LOVE Ej since Day One (thanks hillary), the issue is at what point will we see his progress and him get better at ____________. (turnovers, ball handling, mid range)<br><br>If we were to play a REAL GOOD TEAM (UNC, UCONN, Memphis, Kansas, UCLA, Vandy) etc. 7 turnovers would get you beat and as we have seen you can stop EJ, if the 25 foot J ain't fallin... TD…I think it is safe to say we ALL LOVE Ej since Day One (thanks hillary), the issue is at what point will we see his progress and him get better at ____________. (turnovers, ball handling, mid range)

If we were to play a REAL GOOD TEAM (UNC, UCONN, Memphis, Kansas, UCLA, Vandy) etc. 7 turnovers would get you beat and as we have seen you can stop EJ, if the 25 foot J ain't fallin…

]]> By: Matt J. http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/comment-page-1/#comment-16322 Matt J. Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:29:33 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/27/the-morning-after-ohio-state-v20/#comment-16322 I don't think it's right, either, but given the amount of "enjoy him now, you won't see him again" hype that surrounded Gordon earlier in the season, I can see how coaches would tend toward this approach to handling him. I don't think it's right, either, but given the amount of “enjoy him now, you won't see him again” hype that surrounded Gordon earlier in the season, I can see how coaches would tend toward this approach to handling him.

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