Around the Hall: Wednesday links

  • 02/20/2008 7:48 am in

Another great win for the Hoosiers last night and once again, there’s no shortage of material this morning on the Web. Happy reading.

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  • kelin

    A couple of things……

    Does Lavin want to coach IU? Man, everytime I hear him he just raves about this program…….Greeny give him a look …..

    Secondly, Best case KS scenario….finish the season you are fired at the end. Worst case, thanks for the PU win, Dak take it from here…….

    These kids are focused and DJ White is the player of the year….Tyler Hansborough..nope, CDR….nope…..It is DJ White ……print the bumper stickers…..

  • i'd love to agree because DJ has been a beast this year, but as far as other PF's go, both hansborough and harangody have the edge numbers-wise.

    harangody: 20.4 ppg, 10.3 rpg
    hansbrough: 22.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg
    white: 17.2 ppg, 10.4 rpg

    i think he's the sinch Big Ten POY and will be a fringe All-American. i don't think he'll come close to being National POY though.

  • Jerry

    NOt only numbers they have the Sports Info Depts for it too plus the media's love affair w ACC and Big East

  • Jerry

    People keep thinking that “CALLS” are all about telephones. This is NOT TRUE. The rules basically cover CONTACTS, LETTERS and everythign else is a CALL even w/o a phone eg faxes, instant messaging, email, web sites etc.

    If Roth and KS were on this blog at the same time it can be considered a CALL.

    Not a KS fan myself but we all need to know how difficult it is for a staff working concurrently to recruit players to track the NCAA's definition of a CALL .

    Of course it can be done but it seems very easy to blow it

    Until I know more about the violations I am supporting KS ( even though not my guy )

  • JamesHardy

    BUT…if IU wins the big 10…I think the numbers will be a mute point. UNC won't win the ACC and ND won't win the Big East….If DJ's dominance is the main reason that IU come from the ashes of Brain Butch and WIsconin, coupled with Cell-Gate…I think DJ will get MAJOR props…even from the ACC, Pac10, and Big East pansies!

  • JamesHardy

    fair enought and well-stated…BUT…if he got sanctioned for it at a previous job, don't you think that one should be BRIGHT enough to realize he should cautiously approach the process and KNOW the ins and outs. Hell, he's got 8 months out of the year to learn the freakin rules. If he can't learn the rules 8 mos. out of the year, perhaps he's not as qualified to coach at the college level as some of us think he is.

  • he'll still be overshadowed by the media's love affair with EJ. hansbrough and harangody don't have to share the spotlight.

  • “Not a KS fan myself but we all need to know how difficult it is for a staff working concurrently to recruit players to track the NCAA's definition of a CALL .”

    Coach K's staff at Duke doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Neither does Matt Painter's at Purdue, or Roy Williams' at North Carolina, or Billy Donovan at Florida, or….

  • Plus, he'd be fighting an uphill battle against Hansbrough. He's been crowned since the opening tip of the season (I live in this area, so I've had to listen to the knob-slobbering going on over him since September).

    I think the voters should look at the two and decide who flops less, whines less and looks less like a bug-eyed, inbred Simpsons character.

  • Yeah, but don't K and Roy only have to make one call to a kid?

    At the same time, I think the NCAA needs to realize that calls and texts are two different things and should be handled differently. Certain number of texts, certain number of calls.

    And, again, at the same time, Sampson needs to bust out the abacus and keep track of how many calls he's made.

  • Sean

    The only reason other places supposedly don't have problems with the call rule is that they are not investigated as closely as IU. From my understanding, almost every school reports minor violations of the sort that occurred at IU (not Oklahoma because of the numbers). We need to remember that IU self-reported this stuff which most schools don't do (UNC and the NBA players is a case in point).

  • tberry

    It doesn't matter what you think IU’s wins. What really matters is what do you want the basketball world to think of IU?

    The first time we heard about the calls, Iu forgave. The Second time we heard about the new call many IU fans forgave.

    Now we have the information provided by two in-depth investigations and not only were calls made but evidently knowingly made and then lie were put forth to cover up the breaking of the rules.

    Sampson had have way more chances that are deserved and it is time to fire him because he is a cheater, a liar and has already done great harm to IU's Basketball Program nationally. It is my opinion the Greenspan knew the problems, didn't give proper oversight and should be fired himself.

  • Jerry

    Well done and you are right on target. To help coaches they should define calls as TELEPHONE CALLS thus it is much easier to track and comply. They have been amending CALLS rules for years , including 2006, to catch up to electronic media and lumping them as CALLS. NCAA defeated an amendment that would have lifted limits on some electronic media

    HYPOTHETICAL: I email a kid with an attachment, I call to find out if he got it, he says please fax the attachement, so I do. Woops thats my 3 calls to that kid

  • HoosierSmitty

    Posted this in the Game Threat last night. Since I live in Lafayette and have heard these excuses already…here they are again.

    Top Ten Purdue Excuses: My response to the excuse in parenthesis

    1.) Your coach is a cheater. (Oh, so he allegedly cheated and that helped him win this particular game?)
    2.) You got homer referees, it was 8 on 5. (Oh really? IU selects the refs for its home games? The refs didn't have anything to do with you bricking ten of your free throws.)
    3.) It was at Assembly Hall, we’d kill you at Mackey, just wait till next year. (We didn’t make the schedule, but thanks for a typical “just wait” Boiler excuse)
    4.) You haven't played anybody. (You mean…we STILL haven't played anybody)
    5.) Your coach is a cheater. (Wait…which team has actually had wins taken away for recruiting violations?)
    6.) Our guys are freshmen…you've had longer to build team chemistry. Just wait until… (Oh so two JUCO players, two seniors with one year of experience, a sophomore, two freshmen, a senior who's been injured his whole career, and a walk-on equal chemistry?)
    7.) Your coach is a cheater. (I hear you now…but seriously…is this the best you can do. Talk about the game.)
    8.) DJ faked his injury and it fooled us. (Yeah that was the plan…DJ goes down at the beginning of the Michigan State game just to throw you off. Sampson lies about him being hurt just to throw of your coach. Are you really trying to insult your coach by suggesting that?)
    9.) Your coach is a cheater (I get it…Cellvin Sanctions…it's funny…but did he hit a jump shot in this game? Are the kids he supposedly recruited illegally on the court right now? Nope, sorry.)
    10.) Two words man. Kyle Taber. He’s got mad game. We couldn’t stop him. (Yeah…I hear you now!)

  • HoosierSmitty

    Anybody find it interesting that ESPN was kissing Sampson's ass in the Purdue game after we had to sit through Duke Vitale bashing Sampson in the MSU game like he had just committed a hate crime?

    Could just be that ESPN had a better crew last night with Lavin on board..but it was a stark contrast to the MSU game.

  • ALH_00

    Beasley is the player of the year. Period. (25.7 pts./12.6 reb) He's one of the top scorers in the country, and I believe 12.6 is the best rebounding number. The Big 12 is better than the Big 10.

    Don't get me wrong, DJ has been our horse, and will be remembered as the glue that kept this team rolling…sometime carrying it on his shoulders. But, you can't argue with the numbers Beasley is putting up. Has he even had a game where he didn't get a double-double?

  • IU Marine

    First, I want to say that I am an IU fan. Coaches and players come and go, but I have been rooting for IU basketball for almost 30 years.

    When it comes to KS, my position is“Let the one without sin be the first to throw a stone.” I support this team regardless of the players or coaches. I think KS has done an outstanding job of coaching this and last years teams (Recruiting is another issue.). If KS is to go, I would hope that IU would keep him through the season for the players at least.

    They have sweat and bleed together to make this a memorable season for the fans like me.

  • Sherron Wilkerson

    Bob Kravitz needs to kill himself, or at least stop ripping Indiana, if that guy had his choice Indiana would just do away with its basketball program. F- him

  • Yes…Lavin is MUCH better than Shulman/Vitale.

    And at that, Shulman/Vitale is MUCH better than Packer/Lundquist.

  • And Notre Dame will get rid of football.

    And the Pacers will leave town.

    And the IMS will close.

    And on and on and on. The guy's an asshat. My three-year-old son has more journalistic credibility than Kravitz.

  • kelin

    A couple of things……

    Does Lavin want to coach IU? Man, everytime I hear him he just raves about this program…….Greeny give him a look …..

    Secondly, Best case KS scenario….finish the season you are fired at the end. Worst case, thanks for the PU win, Dak take it from here…….

    These kids are focused and DJ White is the player of the year….Tyler Hansborough..nope, CDR….nope…..It is DJ White ……print the bumper stickers…..

  • i'd love to agree because DJ has been a beast this year, but as far as other PF's go, both hansborough and harangody have the edge numbers-wise.

    harangody: 20.4 ppg, 10.3 rpg
    hansbrough: 22.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg
    white: 17.2 ppg, 10.4 rpg

    i think he's the sinch Big Ten POY and will be a fringe All-American. i don't think he'll come close to being National POY though.

  • Jerry

    NOt only numbers they have the Sports Info Depts for it too plus the media's love affair w ACC and Big East

  • Jerry

    People keep thinking that “CALLS” are all about telephones. This is NOT TRUE. The rules basically cover CONTACTS, LETTERS and everythign else is a CALL even w/o a phone eg faxes, instant messaging, email, web sites etc.

    If Roth and KS were on this blog at the same time it can be considered a CALL.

    Not a KS fan myself but we all need to know how difficult it is for a staff working concurrently to recruit players to track the NCAA's definition of a CALL .

    Of course it can be done but it seems very easy to blow it

    Until I know more about the violations I am supporting KS ( even though not my guy )

  • JamesHardy

    BUT…if IU wins the big 10…I think the numbers will be a mute point. UNC won't win the ACC and ND won't win the Big East….If DJ's dominance is the main reason that IU come from the ashes of Brain Butch and WIsconin, coupled with Cell-Gate…I think DJ will get MAJOR props…even from the ACC, Pac10, and Big East pansies!

  • JamesHardy

    fair enought and well-stated…BUT…if he got sanctioned for it at a previous job, don't you think that one should be BRIGHT enough to realize he should cautiously approach the process and KNOW the ins and outs. Hell, he's got 8 months out of the year to learn the freakin rules. If he can't learn the rules 8 mos. out of the year, perhaps he's not as qualified to coach at the college level as some of us think he is.

  • he'll still be overshadowed by the media's love affair with EJ. hansbrough and harangody don't have to share the spotlight.

  • “Not a KS fan myself but we all need to know how difficult it is for a staff working concurrently to recruit players to track the NCAA's definition of a CALL .”

    Coach K's staff at Duke doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Neither does Matt Painter's at Purdue, or Roy Williams' at North Carolina, or Billy Donovan at Florida, or….

  • Plus, he'd be fighting an uphill battle against Hansbrough. He's been crowned since the opening tip of the season (I live in this area, so I've had to listen to the knob-slobbering going on over him since September).

    I think the voters should look at the two and decide who flops less, whines less and looks less like a bug-eyed, inbred Simpsons character.

  • Yeah, but don't K and Roy only have to make one call to a kid?

    At the same time, I think the NCAA needs to realize that calls and texts are two different things and should be handled differently. Certain number of texts, certain number of calls.

    And, again, at the same time, Sampson needs to bust out the abacus and keep track of how many calls he's made.

  • Sean

    The only reason other places supposedly don't have problems with the call rule is that they are not investigated as closely as IU. From my understanding, almost every school reports minor violations of the sort that occurred at IU (not Oklahoma because of the numbers). We need to remember that IU self-reported this stuff which most schools don't do (UNC and the NBA players is a case in point).

  • tberry

    It doesn't matter what you think IU’s wins. What really matters is what do you want the basketball world to think of IU?

    The first time we heard about the calls, Iu forgave. The Second time we heard about the new call many IU fans forgave.

    Now we have the information provided by two in-depth investigations and not only were calls made but evidently knowingly made and then lie were put forth to cover up the breaking of the rules.

    Sampson had have way more chances that are deserved and it is time to fire him because he is a cheater, a liar and has already done great harm to IU's Basketball Program nationally. It is my opinion the Greenspan knew the problems, didn't give proper oversight and should be fired himself.

  • Jerry

    Well done and you are right on target. To help coaches they should define calls as TELEPHONE CALLS thus it is much easier to track and comply. They have been amending CALLS rules for years , including 2006, to catch up to electronic media and lumping them as CALLS. NCAA defeated an amendment that would have lifted limits on some electronic media

    HYPOTHETICAL: I email a kid with an attachment, I call to find out if he got it, he says please fax the attachement, so I do. Woops thats my 3 calls to that kid

  • HoosierSmitty

    Posted this in the Game Threat last night. Since I live in Lafayette and have heard these excuses already…here they are again.

    Top Ten Purdue Excuses: My response to the excuse in parenthesis

    1.) Your coach is a cheater. (Oh, so he allegedly cheated and that helped him win this particular game?)
    2.) You got homer referees, it was 8 on 5. (Oh really? IU selects the refs for its home games? The refs didn't have anything to do with you bricking ten of your free throws.)
    3.) It was at Assembly Hall, we’d kill you at Mackey, just wait till next year. (We didn’t make the schedule, but thanks for a typical “just wait” Boiler excuse)
    4.) You haven't played anybody. (You mean…we STILL haven't played anybody)
    5.) Your coach is a cheater. (Wait…which team has actually had wins taken away for recruiting violations?)
    6.) Our guys are freshmen…you've had longer to build team chemistry. Just wait until… (Oh so two JUCO players, two seniors with one year of experience, a sophomore, two freshmen, a senior who's been injured his whole career, and a walk-on equal chemistry?)
    7.) Your coach is a cheater. (I hear you now…but seriously…is this the best you can do. Talk about the game.)
    8.) DJ faked his injury and it fooled us. (Yeah that was the plan…DJ goes down at the beginning of the Michigan State game just to throw you off. Sampson lies about him being hurt just to throw of your coach. Are you really trying to insult your coach by suggesting that?)
    9.) Your coach is a cheater (I get it…Cellvin Sanctions…it's funny…but did he hit a jump shot in this game? Are the kids he supposedly recruited illegally on the court right now? Nope, sorry.)
    10.) Two words man. Kyle Taber. He’s got mad game. We couldn’t stop him. (Yeah…I hear you now!)

  • HoosierSmitty

    Anybody find it interesting that ESPN was kissing Sampson's ass in the Purdue game after we had to sit through Duke Vitale bashing Sampson in the MSU game like he had just committed a hate crime?

    Could just be that ESPN had a better crew last night with Lavin on board..but it was a stark contrast to the MSU game.

  • ALH_00

    Beasley is the player of the year. Period. (25.7 pts./12.6 reb) He's one of the top scorers in the country, and I believe 12.6 is the best rebounding number. The Big 12 is better than the Big 10.

    Don't get me wrong, DJ has been our horse, and will be remembered as the glue that kept this team rolling…sometime carrying it on his shoulders. But, you can't argue with the numbers Beasley is putting up. Has he even had a game where he didn't get a double-double?

  • IU Marine

    First, I want to say that I am an IU fan. Coaches and players come and go, but I have been rooting for IU basketball for almost 30 years.

    When it comes to KS, my position is“Let the one without sin be the first to throw a stone.” I support this team regardless of the players or coaches. I think KS has done an outstanding job of coaching this and last years teams (Recruiting is another issue.). If KS is to go, I would hope that IU would keep him through the season for the players at least.

    They have sweat and bleed together to make this a memorable season for the fans like me.

  • Sherron Wilkerson

    Bob Kravitz needs to kill himself, or at least stop ripping Indiana, if that guy had his choice Indiana would just do away with its basketball program. F- him

  • Yes…Lavin is MUCH better than Shulman/Vitale.

    And at that, Shulman/Vitale is MUCH better than Packer/Lundquist.

  • And Notre Dame will get rid of football.

    And the Pacers will leave town.

    And the IMS will close.

    And on and on and on. The guy's an asshat. My three-year-old son has more journalistic credibility than Kravitz.