Comments on: “I think the majority would want him to stay” http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:47:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: ray http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38855 ray Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:14:43 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38855 after reading through the posts, i think sampson should be given a chance to make his case in front of the ncaa. we didn't fire him before, so why should we now? there is no new evidence!<br><br>it is a tight rope that the university is walking on right now, but to let him go now just because the ncaa found the same faults which were already apparent makes iu look ridiculous. if iu thought that what sampson did was reason for termination, then they should have done it earlier in the season.<br><br>iu had their chance to terminate him...now it should be left to the ncaa to decide iu and sampson's fate...and greenspan should suffer the consequences as well! after reading through the posts, i think sampson should be given a chance to make his case in front of the ncaa. we didn't fire him before, so why should we now? there is no new evidence!

it is a tight rope that the university is walking on right now, but to let him go now just because the ncaa found the same faults which were already apparent makes iu look ridiculous. if iu thought that what sampson did was reason for termination, then they should have done it earlier in the season.

iu had their chance to terminate him…now it should be left to the ncaa to decide iu and sampson's fate…and greenspan should suffer the consequences as well!

]]> By: ray http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38823 ray Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:34:58 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38823 i agree with your point exactly hoosiersmitty. iu needs to unleash sampson and bring in another body so that they can re-recruit some of the players coming to iu to play for sampson. some players are coming because it is iu, but most are coming because sampson is at the helm. we need to let these recruits know that iu basketball is still iu basketball and that a new coach is hired and ready to make another run at a national title. i agree with your point exactly hoosiersmitty. iu needs to unleash sampson and bring in another body so that they can re-recruit some of the players coming to iu to play for sampson. some players are coming because it is iu, but most are coming because sampson is at the helm. we need to let these recruits know that iu basketball is still iu basketball and that a new coach is hired and ready to make another run at a national title.

]]> By: ray http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38853 ray Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:25:49 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38853 iu would probably fair well as a top-contending team if they kept sampson on. as for his firing i suppose he should go at this point. if he stays iu will receive plenty of negative criticism. these phone calls have been so blown out of proportion that iu can't afford to keep him. after hearing dick vitale make him out to be the biggest evil-doer since satan himself on national television i would say iu needs to go ahead and throw in the towel. at this point, even those who don't follow iu or ncaa basketball have heard how "utterly dispicable" his acts were (a few extra phone calls mind you...not all that dispicable). the entire sports world is up in arms over what? oh yeah, some phone calls. i don't understand it. i would like to say that he should continue as coach, but it wouldn't make the world of sports very happy with iu...so instead i say fire him...not because he did anything that i would consider devilish or because we should make everyone else happy, but because he was so foolish to place himself into this situation.<br><br>i personally think that bruce weber did more harm allowing his players and the illinois fans to act like thugs on national television than what sampson did by making a few phone calls...but then i'm not the one who will be making any decisions...and not to mention most of you believe that sampson is a cold-hearted criminal as well. like i said before...i don't understand it. iu would probably fair well as a top-contending team if they kept sampson on. as for his firing i suppose he should go at this point. if he stays iu will receive plenty of negative criticism. these phone calls have been so blown out of proportion that iu can't afford to keep him. after hearing dick vitale make him out to be the biggest evil-doer since satan himself on national television i would say iu needs to go ahead and throw in the towel. at this point, even those who don't follow iu or ncaa basketball have heard how “utterly dispicable” his acts were (a few extra phone calls mind you…not all that dispicable). the entire sports world is up in arms over what? oh yeah, some phone calls. i don't understand it. i would like to say that he should continue as coach, but it wouldn't make the world of sports very happy with iu…so instead i say fire him…not because he did anything that i would consider devilish or because we should make everyone else happy, but because he was so foolish to place himself into this situation.

i personally think that bruce weber did more harm allowing his players and the illinois fans to act like thugs on national television than what sampson did by making a few phone calls…but then i'm not the one who will be making any decisions…and not to mention most of you believe that sampson is a cold-hearted criminal as well. like i said before…i don't understand it.

]]> By: Brian http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38848 Brian Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:19:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38848 Look at teh reason IU was in trouble in the 60's it was a bit of a different circumstances also and it dealt with not only IU but other schools as well. Maybe we forgive people to much and don't just stop and say hey...that's enough ...your gone. Yeah we keep forgiving forgiving celebs etc. Look how many times they go through rehab etc and either die or finally get it right. Maybe if we cut them loose didn't give them our money etc they'd straighten up quicker. Well we gave took KS in, knowingly under bad circumstances, and said "you know what..we know you did this and your already in trouble but we will give you another chance...not only another chance, but at one of the biggest basketball schools in the country....with one of the best histories in basketball. " So actually for him already getting in trouble once I'd say we gave him a helluva chance already. Look at teh reason IU was in trouble in the 60's it was a bit of a different circumstances also and it dealt with not only IU but other schools as well. Maybe we forgive people to much and don't just stop and say hey…that's enough …your gone. Yeah we keep forgiving forgiving celebs etc. Look how many times they go through rehab etc and either die or finally get it right. Maybe if we cut them loose didn't give them our money etc they'd straighten up quicker. Well we gave took KS in, knowingly under bad circumstances, and said “you know what..we know you did this and your already in trouble but we will give you another chance…not only another chance, but at one of the biggest basketball schools in the country….with one of the best histories in basketball. ” So actually for him already getting in trouble once I'd say we gave him a helluva chance already.

]]> By: MPmike http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38845 MPmike Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:22:05 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38845 Yes, IU should keep him under a "No tolerance policy." Any minor offense then he's gone. All of you people make this Phonegate allegations like it's the worst thing that has ever happened to basketball and the IU program. Most of you don't know or remember that IU has not always been the perfect program that you make it to be. IU was in trouble with the NCAA in the 60's. What if Sampson comes clean and said that he made a mistake and wants another chance to redeem himself? Why can't we forgive him like we forgave other stars and celebrities and people in higher positions? If we don't, then we are a bunch of hyprocrites. <br>Kelvin Sampson never paid anyone or fixed student grades. Those are major violations and grounds for termination, but phone calls-please!! The thing that he is guilty of is doing something really dumb and being very careless.<br>I can bet my house and tell you that most if not all head coaches break some type of violations that are never reported to the university or NCAA. That is why you won't hear a coach bad mouth another one for mistakes like that. Come on Hoosier Nation, give Kelvin Sampson- one more chance. Finally, either way if Sampson resigns or gets fired, I will always be a supporter for Kelvin Sampson. Yes, IU should keep him under a “No tolerance policy.” Any minor offense then he's gone. All of you people make this Phonegate allegations like it's the worst thing that has ever happened to basketball and the IU program. Most of you don't know or remember that IU has not always been the perfect program that you make it to be. IU was in trouble with the NCAA in the 60's. What if Sampson comes clean and said that he made a mistake and wants another chance to redeem himself? Why can't we forgive him like we forgave other stars and celebrities and people in higher positions? If we don't, then we are a bunch of hyprocrites.
Kelvin Sampson never paid anyone or fixed student grades. Those are major violations and grounds for termination, but phone calls-please!! The thing that he is guilty of is doing something really dumb and being very careless.
I can bet my house and tell you that most if not all head coaches break some type of violations that are never reported to the university or NCAA. That is why you won't hear a coach bad mouth another one for mistakes like that. Come on Hoosier Nation, give Kelvin Sampson- one more chance. Finally, either way if Sampson resigns or gets fired, I will always be a supporter for Kelvin Sampson.

]]> By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38833 tacojohn Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:06:48 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38833 I was just trying to paint a picture where everything Sampson does in his off-the-court management of the program has been solved. Indiana fans will never fully respect him if the team consistently has two-four jucos on it. I was just trying to paint a picture where everything Sampson does in his off-the-court management of the program has been solved. Indiana fans will never fully respect him if the team consistently has two-four jucos on it.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38843 Jerry Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:41:09 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38843 I spent 6 hours yesterday reading the recruiting rules. <br><br>AMen td Amen I spent 6 hours yesterday reading the recruiting rules.

AMen td Amen

]]> By: td http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38841 td Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:35:40 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38841 I'm retired and worked in an industry that was considered a federal contractor by law. Without going into detail, let me say from experience these quasi-public bureacracies love to play "gotcha." I feel as though the NCAA lies to congress everytime they go to the hill to beg extensions to their tax-free status. For some reason or other, lying on capital hill is no big deal, the politicians do it all the time.(That's another story for another time.) My gut feeling is Sampson is gone. However, one needs to realize the NCAA letter is written in allegation form. They state nothing as fact. They're leaving that up to IU and thankfully, Kent and Ted are not making that decision for the university. As taxpayers, students, potential students, etc., we should be thankful the university is going slow. Ohio State let the shadow of the NCAA stampede them into a hurried and unwise decision on a basketball coach that came back to bite them in the pocketbook. For those of you wanting a quick fix to this, please send your money donations to IU for that quick and unwise move. They will need it. The lawyers love this stuff. It lines their pockets at our expense. Why do you think it takes everyone envolved so long so say something. The clock is running and the bill just keeps rising. We lose a big law suit and you'll want someone else's head. Be patient and don't let the media or the websites incite you into foolishness. Understand the legal industry will work this for what it's worth and they don't need any further help from us. I'm retired and worked in an industry that was considered a federal contractor by law. Without going into detail, let me say from experience these quasi-public bureacracies love to play “gotcha.” I feel as though the NCAA lies to congress everytime they go to the hill to beg extensions to their tax-free status. For some reason or other, lying on capital hill is no big deal, the politicians do it all the time.(That's another story for another time.) My gut feeling is Sampson is gone. However, one needs to realize the NCAA letter is written in allegation form. They state nothing as fact. They're leaving that up to IU and thankfully, Kent and Ted are not making that decision for the university. As taxpayers, students, potential students, etc., we should be thankful the university is going slow. Ohio State let the shadow of the NCAA stampede them into a hurried and unwise decision on a basketball coach that came back to bite them in the pocketbook. For those of you wanting a quick fix to this, please send your money donations to IU for that quick and unwise move. They will need it. The lawyers love this stuff. It lines their pockets at our expense. Why do you think it takes everyone envolved so long so say something. The clock is running and the bill just keeps rising. We lose a big law suit and you'll want someone else's head. Be patient and don't let the media or the websites incite you into foolishness. Understand the legal industry will work this for what it's worth and they don't need any further help from us.

]]> By: Sean http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38837 Sean Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:27:30 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38837 This post is directed specifically to CoveyDale. I just wanted to thank you for being so wise as to know the exact reason why anyone supports Sampson at this point. Omnipotence is truly a blessing that few in life receive. It must be that all of us only care about making the final four. It could not possibly be the fact that some of us would like to see the NCAA allegations proven before we make any decisions. If only we were all so self-righteous as you and wanted Sampson fired as soon as IU initially self-reported the phone call violations! You did want that right? In the future, please refrain from making assumptions about the motivations of others. Some of us may even be intelligent enough to distinguish between allegations and proven facts. I am sure you are among the group of people who convicted the Duke lacrosse students (and many others who have been accused of breaking the rules or the law) without a trial. If Sampson is proven to be liar after given his due process we must fire him. Otherwise, everyone has a right to their personal opinions as long as they don't attack others or put words in their mouth. If you could quit doing so in the future it would be appreciated. This post is directed specifically to CoveyDale. I just wanted to thank you for being so wise as to know the exact reason why anyone supports Sampson at this point. Omnipotence is truly a blessing that few in life receive. It must be that all of us only care about making the final four. It could not possibly be the fact that some of us would like to see the NCAA allegations proven before we make any decisions. If only we were all so self-righteous as you and wanted Sampson fired as soon as IU initially self-reported the phone call violations! You did want that right? In the future, please refrain from making assumptions about the motivations of others. Some of us may even be intelligent enough to distinguish between allegations and proven facts. I am sure you are among the group of people who convicted the Duke lacrosse students (and many others who have been accused of breaking the rules or the law) without a trial. If Sampson is proven to be liar after given his due process we must fire him. Otherwise, everyone has a right to their personal opinions as long as they don't attack others or put words in their mouth. If you could quit doing so in the future it would be appreciated.

]]> By: CoveyDale http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/comment-page-2/#comment-38829 CoveyDale Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:06:20 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/18/i-think-the-majority-would-want-him-to-stay/#comment-38829 the best post from this entire week. excellent. the best post from this entire week. excellent.

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