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Katz and ESPN: Major violations at IU

by Ryan Corazza in Media | February 13th, 2008

sampson4.jpgESPN.com just dropped a bomb on us, folks: the NCAA sent a letter to IU last Friday detailing major — not secondary like all the phone call nonsense we had to endure earlier this season — violations in the men’s basketball program. A quick blockquote of the particulars:

Larry MacIntyre, assistant vice president for university communications at Indiana University, confirmed to ESPN.com that the school did receive documentation from the NCAA last week.

The Associated Press reported on Tuesday night that the school will make the allegations public on Wednesday. University trustees president Stephen Ferguson told AP that school officials this week reviewed the report, but that the NCAA is not expected to make its ruling until this summer.

“There won’t be a hearing till this June,” Ferguson told AP. “It’s just been reviewed, and I think everyone is analyzing it now.”

OK, so the good out of all this: looks like this season is not in jeopardy, since nothing will come of this till June. But then there’s the bad news: oh, the bad news. At this point, I’d prefer not to get overly reactionary. I’m trying to sit here calmly in my living room just past midnight on Feb. 13, 2008 and think all is well with the team I love; the team I write about; the team I’ll follow till the Good Lord takes me from this Earth.

But this is just not the case. Rick Greenspan took a risk hiring Kelvin Sampson. He’s a great coach and knows his stuff, but there was baggage there. And it’s followed him to Bloomington. Whatever these “major” violations are — and by the time you read this, these may already be known since the University is making them public today — it’s not anywhere near a stretch for me to say that Sampson is likely done at IU. And Rick Greenspan might well be, too. Sampson isn’t even through his second year at the helm and already two incidents have come up; when Greenspan hired Sampson we were told any nonsense and he’d be shown the door.

Earlier this season, I wrote that as fans, we’re justified in booing our players if they don’t preform as we’d like them to. (A bit harsh, I know. Many did not agree.) But if you’re sitting — nay, standing — inside Assembly Hall tomorrow night when IU toes the court against the Badgers and Kelvin Sampson is introduced over the loudspeaker, go ahead and boo. Boo loud. Boo hard.

After all, this isn’t a kid’s shaky mental framework you are going to work over and make fragile. This is a grown man making repeated mistakes at one of the most storied programs in the nation — his actions are almost certain to set the program and team you love — we all love — back a few years.

If you’ll excuse, I’m going to go throw up, crawl into my bed and cry myself to sleep now. It’s all I really feel like doing.

A.M. edit: Just so everyone knows, I actually got a very nice night of sleep. I’m still pumped about tonight’s game and this next stretch here and will continue to root hard for the team. It’s all I’ve done; It’s all I’ll ever do.

  • PMK
    A week ago, Bob Knight leaves Texas Tech....This week, Sampson clearly looking at getting sent packing from IU....Coincidence? I think not!

    BRING BACK RMK!!! BOBBY! BOBBY!
  • Hoosier_Hound
    Nonsense, we need to look to the future, not the past. Too bad we can't simply enjoy the present.
  • Hoosier_Hound
    I just reread a Vandy-UK recap for a pick-me-up. It helped some, but not much.
  • This would actually be a good thing: Knight hates to go out and recruit. So, you know, we might not bring in the talent, but at least we'll be clean!
  • If anyone needs an explanation here: both myself and PMK are using a high level of sarcasm in our comments.

    Lord knows the last thing we want is for this to turn into a Knight thread.
  • Hoosier_Hound
    I believe we are suddenly hearing the term "major" violation because the NCAA has determined that violating restrictions put in place because you've already broken rules constitutes a major violation. Remember the NCAA had never faced a situation where a coach broke rules when he was on probation, ever. So they had to figure out exactly what they were going to do in this situation. Quite simply, I agree with the NCAA if that is actually what they decided.

    I've stood stoically with my arms crossed every time Sampson has been introduced this season, but you and I are on the same page R. When he is announced before the Wisconsin game, I am going to boo.
  • Ryan_Btown
    Thanks for moving the convo here Postman. I echo the feeling. I was on my way to bed and saw this. I then went and woke up all my roommates and told them. We are now all holding hands and crying. Not really, but close. We can't be sure what all the allegations are, but if they are as serious as this article makes them out to be, Sampson will certainly be fired. And I would go a step further and say that Greenspan's job is not just a tad bit unsafe...it's a lot unsafe.

    I'm disappointed for the team and the fans. If they are bad, and we do fire Sampson midseason, it is not uncharacteristic of a program to go ahead and impose sanctions on itself to gain favor among the NCAA rules committee. In our case, again, IF THEY ARE as major as the article indicates, that could mean a self imposed tourney ban.

    this is all completely what if, but just being a downer, we could still see this affect this season. Either way, a cloud of doubt over a coach going into a stretch of the season where we are playing the best 3 teams in the conference is pretty shitty.
  • kylehornsblyrules
    Almost asleep with Gamenight on and this pops up. This clearly is going to go away. Mark Fox please.
  • ricky
    Ohio State got away with just a 1 year postseason ban when its former coach paid a recruit, and then 2 years later was in the National Championship game (albeit Greg Oden was helpful). So if we do have to sit out a year and we do have to fire sampson, i have a good feeling it may not be the end of the world (although a 1 year postseason ban might as well be a punch in the face). if paying a recruit is just a one year postseason ban, maybe phone calls don't entail any postseason ban but instead losing scholarships or something

    although since THIS season will not be affected, we can't boo sampson. not yet. hell, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? and its not like booing him won't affect the players. they all (as far as we know) love and respect sampson has a coach and as a person. DJ has seen his game become better than ever under his coaching, Gordon must have liked the guy to say "fuck you" to illinois, stemler must like him b/c he gets to play for a d-1 team, i could go on and on. the players fight for him. and hearing the home crowd boo him would affect them in a negative way in the biggest game of the year up to this point. its something we just need to wait on. innocent until proven guilty

    and if sampson is gone, greenspan should be gone. he does a shitty job anyways
  • Jason
    It's pretty hard to give a guy the "innocent until proven guilty" a go the 2nd time around.
  • or the 3rd tine around...
  • Nick
    But this is not China, fellas, we give it every time around here in the US.
  • ricky
    o, and the timing of this is just like in last years alcs, when the indians pitcher paul byrd got ousted for taking steroids on the day of game 7, which the indians ended up losing. bad fucking timing
  • Phillip
    I know it...Cleveland will be in the World Series this year though!

    Please don't boo Sampson...that's ridiculous. Be disgrutnled with him, want him gone, etc...but come on. That would be more embarrassing to the team than any of these sanctions.
  • if there are major violations then sampson is gone.

    no way this fanbase will put up with it.
  • Alan
    PostmanR,

    I thought writing this blog was your diversion, not your obsession. You take this way too seriously. I am a big IU fan, but IU basketball is not the most important thing in my life. I feel bad that this is happening, but your writing reflects a sense of hysteria. That is really unfortunate. I hope, for your sake, that you were intentionally using hyperbole.
  • ZachH
    I'm done with Sampson, if this amounts to anything. There is no defending this.
  • Pete
    I've thought since October that this would eventually lead to Sampson's firing.
    Remember the Greenspan interview on ESPN during the Penn State football
    game? He danced around the question "will Kelvin be fired". I think he is OUT
    at the end of this year.
  • Dammit
    I like Coach Sampson and think he's doing well. I also think it's sad to see a guy who has worked his way through the ranks his entire life to get to a job like Indiana, only to see it all go up in flames. Generally, I've defended him so far, but don't know if I can through major violations and I wouldnt be surprised if things were much worse. I'll wait for the official news before I condemn him, but it appears we may be in the coach search again.
  • Steve
    Is this the beginning of the Dan Dakich era?
  • MLOVE
    That is not who i want coaching this team....
  • Nick
    Does anyone know what time the NCAA report will be released by IU today? I'm here in the UK and want to make sure I am up for it...
  • Timmy
    I'm waiting for details. Either way the NCAA goes on this, there will be positives for IU.
  • good thing Sampson isn't "devaluing" your degree like Knight did, right Timmy?
  • Timmy
    Agreed!
  • hoosiergal
    I really like Coach Sampson. I think that he has done a lot to rejuvenate Hoosiers basketball. But I insist on a clean program and it appears that he is incapable of following the rules. I hate to say it, but he has to go.
  • I can already hear the Knight apologists calling for his return to the helm.
  • Everyone needs to just chill out until the details come out on this. I will still be there in my Got Gordon? shirt tonight watching EJ drop 30 on sconsin in a road to victory. You can't help but think this will negatively affect the players, let's just hope it is more crap about sending too many text messages. I think my teenage daughter sent more text messages than it takes to break a NCAA rule so let's just wait to see what the "allegations" are.
  • ray
    if you truly love this team...don't boo sampson. iu has a home court stretch that could place them among the favorites to win the b10 conference. a win against the next three will put indiana in a position where they need to keep from losing more than one (they can even lose in east lansing) and win the whole thing outright. it's the next three games that are crucial to this season. so please, don't boo anyone...instead come into the hall with serious energy and help these kids win a conference title. with the looks of it iu may have a serious uphill battle after this year, so let's make the best of this season and root for the hoosiers and keep all negativity out of the hall...i beg of you!
  • JamesHardy
    I knew there was a reason that I've become more intrigued by watching the Boilers this year...it's because they do it the RIGHT way...ON and OFF the court. How can a school impose a "zero-tolerance" policy for they guy that put said school on the national map and NEVER had an accusations of being dirty....and 4 years later hire a guy who's littered with NCAA violations??? I've kept my cool about his NBA style one-on-one offense, but for him to put himself above the program and drag a high class like Indiana into the sewer with him is just totally unacceptable. If the NCAA is threatening a post season ban for these kids who have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong, then Kelvin needs to be gone YESTERDAY! I hate that the NCAA punishes the kids for the immorality of the coach. It would be nice to have a guy like Bobby back in charge of the program, but I would be excited to find someone like Scott Drew at Baylor who has Indiana roots and does shit the RIGHT WAY! Or how about this idea...bring back Zeke??? Sorry...just trying to help out the Knick fans of the world...that was total sarcasm!
  • isiah already ruined my beloved knicks, i'd hate for him to ruin the IU bball program as well.
  • IndianaJoe
    I completely agree with you about Purdue. They are extremely fundamental with the ball and seem to always to the right thing. I hate to say it but they are going to be beating us for the years to come if not this year especially with these violations.
  • All that we have right now is Andy Katz's report that the NCAA characterizes these violations as major. As other commenters note, if true, that can mean two things: 1) the NCAA's investigation revealed signficant violations that weren't in IU's report; or 2) the NCAA's findings are consistent with IU's report, but the NCAA characterizes those violations as major. Either way, it's not good, and I guess it's pointless to argue about since we will know sometime today, but we really don't know anything new yet, except that the NCAA is going to try to roast us, which is somewhat expected.
  • ray
    sorry folks. i tried to reply to an earlier comment about booing to let me stance be heard early on in this blog...sort of selfish of me i know, but it would be nice if these kids who are likely going to have a rough stay here in bloomington with the allegations and their repercussions to finish this season strong. all it takes is a superior effort in the next three to put them into position to crown themselves b10 champs.

    by the way, it is obvious that copying a recent comment and trying to paste it as a reply to someone else's earlier comment doesn't work. sorry...just skip my repeated comment and i promise to never try jumping in front of the line. i just take this threat of negativity very seriously...it will do nothing to help this group of kids who have absolutely nothing to do with the allegations.
  • JamesHardy
    I completely agree with your thoughts about the kids...they are almost always collateral damage in these types of situations. That's who I feel the worst for, because they are going to get labled as the IU team that cheated when in fact they had nothing to do with it! Great point about refraining from showering KS with boo's...it would be nice if he heard how the Hoosier Nation felt about his poor choices, but unfortunately it will have a far worse affect on the kids.
  • HoosierSmitty
    To say this is disappointing is putting it mildly. I have a lovely evening planned of going to Bloomington to watch some basketball and get away from my work's worries while watching us whip Wisconsin. (That's called alliteration folks). Can I enjoy that now? No way. Am I still going? You bet. I love IU basketball and that will never change. To make matters worse, however, I live in Lafayette...so I had to pull out the old bullet proof armor this morning to handle the barrage of Boiler hatred.

    I don't think we should boo Sampson. We don't know what the specific violations are, but honestly we should react in some way. I am personally just going to keep my mouth shut and my hands silent. I think everyone else should do the same.

    A silent Hall of 17,000 would send a greater message than the boos would. Quite honestly, stunned into silence was all I've been since hearing the news.
  • HoosierSmitty
    The silence I am suggesting is only when Sampson is introduced. We need to cheer for these kids and make sure any recruits out there know that IU basketball is more than a coach.

    If these violations are as serious as being implied, then I wouldn't be surprised if Sampson is not in the Hall tonight.
  • ray
    perfect alternative HoosierSmitty! loud and obnoxious for the players and silence for
    Sampson...as if we're all quietly awaiting the decisions and repercussions that are in store for sampson, the university, the storied basketball program, next year's returning players, and incoming recruits. SILENCE EVERYONE...but only for Sampson!
  • JamesHardy
    Think about the HORRIBLE timing of this story...IU is 9-1 and in the stretch run to win it's first Big 10 title since 2001...We have MSU, WISC, and PUR all in the next week...this just stinks of a Miles Brand type conspiracy! A$$HOLE! What do you guys think this will do for the mindset of the kids for these 3 HUGE games this week? My thought is this: If KS is really as great as his supporters (of which I am not) claim, then I guess this will bring the kids together and teach them a life lesson about adversity (especially adversity that you had nothing to do with). If KS had any dignity at ALL, he would step down immediately and rid our great school of his cheating ways before anymore innocent kids get punished for him being a dumbass!
  • HoosierSmitty
    As much as I'd love to go off on the timing of this...we can't use that to blunt the blow. We shouldn't even be in this situation.

    I agree...but it's time to face the music...be it now or a month from now.
  • John Cole
    Isn't Myles Brand a great thinker and business leader. He fires one of the most clean cut, follow the rules to the letter coach like Coach Knight. Then our storied program gets a huge Black Eye from this Sampson guy for rules violation. The fans of Indiana Universtity won't allow this. He should be fired today and let Dakich lead the team tonight.

    Bye Kelvin we didn't want your cheating ass any way
  • Pete
    Hey Hoosier Smitty,
    The silence thing isn't a bad idea. Nice use of alliteration too. You must
    be an English teacher.
  • HoosierSmitty
    Yep...which strikes fear in my heart that anytime I blog, I'll spell something wrong or put a comma in an incorrect location...it's a brutal life...

    SILENCE SAMPSON!

    CHEER THE PLAYERS!
  • HoosierSmitty
    Oh, and thankfully I'm not a guidance counselor...
  • Ryan_Btown
    Several folks have mentioned Dakich...I'm not a big fan of that either. I mean, he didn't exactly do just a tremendous job at Bowling Green. He was barely over 500. Not to mention that I don't know his role in all of this. He was the Pres. of Bball Operations when all this bull happened. This article was the first time I had heard that when we slapped Senderoff with recruiting restrictions and then fired him, we also slapped Dakich with restrictions. What does that mean?
  • kelin
    Well lets do two things people....

    1. Lets enjoy the remainder of this season with the "team", Dj and Ej, particularly.
    2. Lets start compiling of list of "good" candidates
    my immediate list......Dakich, Alford, Matta, Butlers coach, and did I mention Thad Matta...Give his as a blank check and room and board.
  • Butch Carter
    Does anyone know what time the press conference is?
  • Haven't heard anything. Which leads me to believe that there will be a press release issued and no questions taken since there is a game tonight.

    Just a hunch.
  • JamesHardy
    I would be in favor of hiring MATT PAINTER or someone off his staff...cuz at least he knows how to do it the right way! God...I'm going to hell for saying that!
  • jaime gongora
    guys i have heart problems, and I'm going to ignore this for while for the sake of better health. I just think this is the beginning of a very ugly cycle. I just hate the fact that pompous wind bags are in charge of hiring( aka our alumni union). I never really hated Sampson, but if it plays out, I think its time to let him go. I just don't understand how hard it is to stop something you already got in trouble for. Man, I need some vodka.
  • JamesHardy
    try red wine...it's better for your heart!
  • peaychris
    I think i can speak for all hoosier fans. i would rather lose than cheat. i would rather have put up with mike davis than this bullshit i have never been so dissapointed about something in sports ever! fire him today and lets start fresh with an outsider. I nominate Dave Loos from Austin Peay my alma matter!! he always produces a winner and he does it with class!!
  • jochunt23
    I only thought I would see the day that I would find it hard to dislike Purdue's coach and harder to like IU's coach would be when hell froze over.

    Alas, today it has happened. IU, as a whole, needs to wash its hands of this. I hate to say it, I was thrilled at the hire, the recruiting, and the over-achieving last year, but Sampson needs to be shown the door.
  • kelin
    I wonder how many hits firekelvinsampson.com is getting.....I should have bought that domain name....
  • TomCoverdale's Eyebrows
    Does this come as a huge shock to anyone. Did we really all drink the Cool Aid when were told that Rob Senderoff was to fault? I belive the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me" comes into play here.

    None the less, this still feels like a gut-shot. Conspiracy theory aside, the timing on this couldn't be worse. With the ability to seperate ourselves from the pack over the next three games, I hope this team has the ability to block this out; let the higher-ups deal with it, and continue to build on Saturday's W.

    Now, back to popping Xanax pills.
  • kelin
    Ok so the violations don't involved players so to speak but sampson lying...just read it on Indystar.com


    Simple ........Fire his ASS TODAY!
  • T
    I know this situation is very, VERY unlikely.

    But hypothetically, what if they keep Samspon through the end of this year, and then the Hoosiers win the NCAA tournament? Could they still fire him? What would you think?

    I'd still be up for firing Samspon, i'd be curious to see if IU has the balls to do it should that unlikely scenario happen.
  • IU Swingman
    Anyone that calls themself an IU fan will not boo Sampson tonight. Our players are busting their butts on the court for IU and their coach. Don't make their home game a hostile one.
  • deedubbadoo
    Everyone knew this was coming sooner or later. This is the second time he has been in trouble for this sort of thing. He also lied about the situation when confronted about it. Like it or not he broke the rules, text messages, 3-way calls whatever, rules are rules and they are put in place for a reason. He knew what he was doing was wrong, yet he continued to thumb his nose at the NCAA. Now it is time to pay the piper. If you let him stay till the end of the year which is what they should do (best for the team), then once the tourney is over he is out and you better be looking for someone and fast. The man at the top of my list is Mark Few who is whom we should have gotten to replace Davis in the first place!

    I do not want an unproven coach running one of the most storied programs in college hoops. I do not want someone's assistant coach, I think this program and it fans / supporters deserve better. From day one we all knew when they hired Sampson that this was lingering over his head and when he came here, he did it again. I loathe Greenspan for not taking anytime at all with his decision to hire Sampson and investigating the issues now in the end it looks like the program and the players (undeservedly) will shoulder the burden. Makes me sick to my stomach that the same people who were so quick to out RMK were happy to welcome this man into the program.
  • peaychris
    oh yea by the way THANK YOU ROGER CLEMENS!!!! he may be more stupid than KS!!!
  • Melissa
    I'm gonna be sick.....
  • MLOVE
    TOM CREAN........................... Should have been hired the first time around and i liked the KS hire gosh was i mistaken
  • kev
    You lost me for good with this one, Inside the Hall. Terrible idea. Buh-Bye.
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