Comments on: The Morning After: Ohio State http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/ Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aaron http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-36741 Aaron Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:26:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-36741 I've watched IU. More importantly, I've watched teams outside the Big Ten...including Kansas and Texas last night. We've faired well with the soft Big Ten and pre-season schedule. But you watch games like last night's, and you have to realize we have a long way to go with defense and rebounding. Texas is 11 and IU is 12? No way. We aren't at that level. Not yet. I've watched IU. More importantly, I've watched teams outside the Big Ten…including Kansas and Texas last night. We've faired well with the soft Big Ten and pre-season schedule. But you watch games like last night's, and you have to realize we have a long way to go with defense and rebounding. Texas is 11 and IU is 12? No way. We aren't at that level. Not yet.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-18922 Aaron Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:26:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-18922 I've watched IU. More importantly, I've watched teams outside the Big Ten...including Kansas and Texas last night. We've faired well with the soft Big Ten and pre-season schedule. But you watch games like last night's, and you have to realize we have a long way to go with defense and rebounding. Texas is 11 and IU is 12? No way. We aren't at that level. Not yet. I've watched IU. More importantly, I've watched teams outside the Big Ten…including Kansas and Texas last night. We've faired well with the soft Big Ten and pre-season schedule. But you watch games like last night's, and you have to realize we have a long way to go with defense and rebounding. Texas is 11 and IU is 12? No way. We aren't at that level. Not yet.

]]> By: chimoose http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-18923 chimoose Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:20:09 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-18923 Interesting commentary about IU's zone . . . I was thinking coming into the game that zone would be the way to go against OSU because only DJ could guard Koufos inside, but I wouldn't want him to be out on the floor when KK floated out to shoot . . . guess that it worked. However, there were several plays when OSU penetrated or made passes to the high post far too easily. Better teams will certainly exploit that.<br>And I continue to worry about the heavy minutes logged by DJ, Gordon and Ellis (although Ellis had some breaks last night). We need to see more DeAndre minutes, too . . . the big D needs to find his flow. Interesting commentary about IU's zone . . . I was thinking coming into the game that zone would be the way to go against OSU because only DJ could guard Koufos inside, but I wouldn't want him to be out on the floor when KK floated out to shoot . . . guess that it worked. However, there were several plays when OSU penetrated or made passes to the high post far too easily. Better teams will certainly exploit that.
And I continue to worry about the heavy minutes logged by DJ, Gordon and Ellis (although Ellis had some breaks last night). We need to see more DeAndre minutes, too . . . the big D needs to find his flow.

]]> By: Snipper http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17231 Snipper Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:55:11 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17231 I couldn't agree more about our 4s. Has any ranked team -- or team of any consequence -- ever started a more mediocre pair of forwards than Stemler and Taber? Neither should ever take a shot.<br><br>While IU's play was somewhat improved at Ohio State, it's true that Ohio State played poorly and still pushed the Hoosiers almost to the wire.<br><br>IU still has not beaten a really good team. We'll find out if the Hoosiers truly deserve their high ranking this week and next. Sampson better get Gordon to come alive in a hurry if he's going to bring IU a Big Ten title. I couldn't agree more about our 4s. Has any ranked team — or team of any consequence — ever started a more mediocre pair of forwards than Stemler and Taber? Neither should ever take a shot.

While IU's play was somewhat improved at Ohio State, it's true that Ohio State played poorly and still pushed the Hoosiers almost to the wire.

IU still has not beaten a really good team. We'll find out if the Hoosiers truly deserve their high ranking this week and next. Sampson better get Gordon to come alive in a hurry if he's going to bring IU a Big Ten title.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-62613 Anonymous Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:40:00 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-62613 Have you watched IU this year? IU is a very good rebounding team. DJ White is the best rebounder in the conference, and Ellis grabs all kinds of boards too. Then the guards always seem to get their share. Other than against UConn, IU has been taking care of the boards. As far as the defense goes, I'd rather give up some open 3s in a zone than open layups in our man-to-man. Most of the Big Ten's teams this year are rather bad at shooting, so forcing them to take outside shots isn't a bad idea. Have you watched IU this year? IU is a very good rebounding team. DJ White is the best rebounder in the conference, and Ellis grabs all kinds of boards too. Then the guards always seem to get their share. Other than against UConn, IU has been taking care of the boards.

As far as the defense goes, I’d rather give up some open 3s in a zone than open layups in our man-to-man. Most of the Big Ten’s teams this year are rather bad at shooting, so forcing them to take outside shots isn’t a bad idea.

]]> By: Nick http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17817 Nick Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:20:22 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17817 Thanks for picking up that miscue! That was dumb of me. I seriously can't believe that in a year when the big ten upped their schedule to 18 games that the Hoosiers would be bidding for a potential 2 loss league season!!! Thanks for picking up that miscue! That was dumb of me. I seriously can't believe that in a year when the big ten upped their schedule to 18 games that the Hoosiers would be bidding for a potential 2 loss league season!!!

]]> By: ALH_00 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17801 ALH_00 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:54:16 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17801 UConn and Xavier are non-conference losses, so if IU only loses once more, they finish 16-2 in the Big 10. <br><br>By my count, if they end up 16-2 AND win the Big 10 tourney, they would end up 30-4. That's a valid case for a number 1, but imo, they won't get it. They will likely get a number 2 or 3. Memphis, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Tennessee, and Georgetown will all likely finish with better resumes that the Hoosiers (and deservedly so). Then the darling Tarheels, a second Pac-10, Big 12, or Big East and maybe even an A-10/MV (big maybe) could sneak in front of a Big 10 champion IU. <br><br>Whatever happens, I just hope they don't get hit with a 4 or 5 seed. I would hate to face this year's number 1's before the regional finals, whomever that might be. UConn and Xavier are non-conference losses, so if IU only loses once more, they finish 16-2 in the Big 10.

By my count, if they end up 16-2 AND win the Big 10 tourney, they would end up 30-4. That's a valid case for a number 1, but imo, they won't get it. They will likely get a number 2 or 3. Memphis, Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Tennessee, and Georgetown will all likely finish with better resumes that the Hoosiers (and deservedly so). Then the darling Tarheels, a second Pac-10, Big 12, or Big East and maybe even an A-10/MV (big maybe) could sneak in front of a Big 10 champion IU.

Whatever happens, I just hope they don't get hit with a 4 or 5 seed. I would hate to face this year's number 1's before the regional finals, whomever that might be.

]]> By: Nick http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17784 Nick Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:23:06 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17784 If the Hoosiers win the next three games then they finish the season with two home games, two winnable road games (PSU and NW) and the big game at Michigan State. If they go 3-0 over the next three it's realistic to think that they could lose one game the rest of the regular season and finish the year as the Big Ten regular season champs at 15-3! That has been good for a 1 or 2 seed in each of the past three years and they would make a solid 2 seed if they won the B10 tournament! 28-4 and Big Ten champs may be good enough to steal that last 1 seed if some other ACC and Big 12 teams beat up on each other. I'm an avid college basketball fan and have been since I was old enough to remember and I love this kind of talk! <br><br>What do the rest of you think would happen in this scenario (even though the Big Ten will be scorned for being down) But don't forget the SOS and RPI will go up after playing UW, MSU, and PU the next three games! If the Hoosiers win the next three games then they finish the season with two home games, two winnable road games (PSU and NW) and the big game at Michigan State. If they go 3-0 over the next three it's realistic to think that they could lose one game the rest of the regular season and finish the year as the Big Ten regular season champs at 15-3! That has been good for a 1 or 2 seed in each of the past three years and they would make a solid 2 seed if they won the B10 tournament! 28-4 and Big Ten champs may be good enough to steal that last 1 seed if some other ACC and Big 12 teams beat up on each other. I'm an avid college basketball fan and have been since I was old enough to remember and I love this kind of talk!

What do the rest of you think would happen in this scenario (even though the Big Ten will be scorned for being down) But don't forget the SOS and RPI will go up after playing UW, MSU, and PU the next three games!

]]> By: Nick http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17647 Nick Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:16:47 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17647 Obviously, Michael Beasley will be a dominant force in the NBA! He's physical, athletic, and talented. Not to mention he is smart on the floor from what I've seen. Tyler Hansborough is an excellent COLLEGE basketball player but let's just try and think back to similar players in college basketball history, such as Eric Montross (convenient that he's also from UNC), who were dominant college players but average contributors in the NBA. Now, DJ is a BEAST! Did we all see the way he got up quickly and posterized Kufos yesterday!!! That's a future NBA stud! I see the athletic ability there and can think of other players in the NBA who remind me of DJ white. Players like White slip in the draft every year and then you see them a few years later averaging 15, 16, 17 points and 10 boards in the NBA and being the second most dominating player on a team. That's DJ White and he deserves to at least be mentioned as a National Player of the Year candidate!!! After all, it's like an MVP award (at least a portion of it) and think of where we would be without DJ! <br><br>Thank you DJ White for making this season the first really enjoyable IU season in a long time and being the best IU player I've seen since Calbert Chaney and Alan Henderson (who both had solid NBA careers) and enjoy your millions of dollars and fame as a future NBA star!!! Obviously, Michael Beasley will be a dominant force in the NBA! He's physical, athletic, and talented. Not to mention he is smart on the floor from what I've seen. Tyler Hansborough is an excellent COLLEGE basketball player but let's just try and think back to similar players in college basketball history, such as Eric Montross (convenient that he's also from UNC), who were dominant college players but average contributors in the NBA. Now, DJ is a BEAST! Did we all see the way he got up quickly and posterized Kufos yesterday!!! That's a future NBA stud! I see the athletic ability there and can think of other players in the NBA who remind me of DJ white. Players like White slip in the draft every year and then you see them a few years later averaging 15, 16, 17 points and 10 boards in the NBA and being the second most dominating player on a team. That's DJ White and he deserves to at least be mentioned as a National Player of the Year candidate!!! After all, it's like an MVP award (at least a portion of it) and think of where we would be without DJ!

Thank you DJ White for making this season the first really enjoyable IU season in a long time and being the best IU player I've seen since Calbert Chaney and Alan Henderson (who both had solid NBA careers) and enjoy your millions of dollars and fame as a future NBA star!!!

]]> By: Aaron http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17839 Aaron Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:01:57 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17839 I have to disagree. The zone defense was effective because OSU can't shoot. IU consistently gave up open, uncontested mid-range jump shots. And, our poor rebounding is exposed in a zone (absent DJ White, of course).<br><br>I'm not one of those purists who believe man-to-man defense is the end-all-be-all. A good zone defense is equally effective as a good man-to-man. But, I don't believe a team can casually go back and forth - it needs to specialize. And, if you're going to play zone, you'd better be a strong rebounding team - which we are not.<br><br>I was happy to have Kelvin come to IU because I thought we'd return to being a solid defense and rebounding team. A little disappointed that we aren't either... I have to disagree. The zone defense was effective because OSU can't shoot. IU consistently gave up open, uncontested mid-range jump shots. And, our poor rebounding is exposed in a zone (absent DJ White, of course).

I'm not one of those purists who believe man-to-man defense is the end-all-be-all. A good zone defense is equally effective as a good man-to-man. But, I don't believe a team can casually go back and forth – it needs to specialize. And, if you're going to play zone, you'd better be a strong rebounding team – which we are not.

I was happy to have Kelvin come to IU because I thought we'd return to being a solid defense and rebounding team. A little disappointed that we aren't either…

]]> By: Disco_Briscoe http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17716 Disco_Briscoe Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:11:58 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17716 <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/photo?photoId=1812403&teamId=84">http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/photo?photo...</a> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/photo?photo…

]]> By: b_side http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17199 b_side Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:46:32 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17199 Yep, read that in the Indystar a few minutes after I posted this. <br><br>How's that for loyalty ITH founders? Being born and raised in Naptown, you just reached new heights as to where I get my IU news first. Yep, read that in the Indystar a few minutes after I posted this.

How's that for loyalty ITH founders? Being born and raised in Naptown, you just reached new heights as to where I get my IU news first.

]]> By: Willis http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17694 Willis Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:22:01 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17694 anyone found a good picture of the DJ dunk? that Crawford spin had me jumping up and down like the crowd at an "And 1" "game". anyone found a good picture of the DJ dunk? that Crawford spin had me jumping up and down like the crowd at an “And 1″ “game”.

]]> By: ALH_00 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17624 ALH_00 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:50:04 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17624 As amazing as DJ has been, Beasley and Hansborough are better (as tough as it is to admit). Those two will keep DJ out of All-American and POY consideration (all else being equal the rest of the way). It would be really tough to argue against Beasley for POY...that dude's numbers are off the charts. (25.2/12.3) Seeing as he's a freshman also, that pretty much eliminates EJ from freshman POY nationally. Additionally, Kevin Love has been outstanding...another great freshman big man on one of the nation's top teams.<br><br>I think EJ has to be in consideration (maybe #1) for shooting guards, but his A/TO ratio and minimal rebounding may hurt him. He'll be an AA, first or second (if he continues at this pace).<br><br>Either way, we're privileged to have those two in cream and crimson. As amazing as DJ has been, Beasley and Hansborough are better (as tough as it is to admit). Those two will keep DJ out of All-American and POY consideration (all else being equal the rest of the way). It would be really tough to argue against Beasley for POY…that dude's numbers are off the charts. (25.2/12.3) Seeing as he's a freshman also, that pretty much eliminates EJ from freshman POY nationally. Additionally, Kevin Love has been outstanding…another great freshman big man on one of the nation's top teams.

I think EJ has to be in consideration (maybe #1) for shooting guards, but his A/TO ratio and minimal rebounding may hurt him. He'll be an AA, first or second (if he continues at this pace).

Either way, we're privileged to have those two in cream and crimson.

]]> By: SocksShortsSwish http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17760 SocksShortsSwish Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:34:59 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17760 Hoping that means "no minutes." Hoping that means “no minutes.”

]]> By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17423 tacojohn Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:58:48 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17423 Quiet rhythm was right, especially with the back and forth of small runs. A bit frustrating at times, but good to see that IU was able to respond repeatedly to get critical stops and quality offensive possessions to stop runs that threatened to expand into long, backbreaking ones. Quiet rhythm was right, especially with the back and forth of small runs. A bit frustrating at times, but good to see that IU was able to respond repeatedly to get critical stops and quality offensive possessions to stop runs that threatened to expand into long, backbreaking ones.

]]> By: tacojohn http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17575 tacojohn Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:57:20 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17575 He wasn't injured so there is no medical hardship. I highly doubt AJ could get any sort of waiver from the NCAA to return for a fifth season. He wasn't injured so there is no medical hardship. I highly doubt AJ could get any sort of waiver from the NCAA to return for a fifth season.

]]> By: kelin http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17738 kelin Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:50:50 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17738 If IU can go 3-0 in these next three they are on the map for again for a high seed. These 3 would be quality wins and at the right time......<br><br>As far as AJ I wish it would have worked out, but we may have to cut our losses and wish him well....give his minutes to Ahfeld. If IU can go 3-0 in these next three they are on the map for again for a high seed. These 3 would be quality wins and at the right time……

As far as AJ I wish it would have worked out, but we may have to cut our losses and wish him well….give his minutes to Ahfeld.

]]> By: Hoosier_Hound http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17673 Hoosier_Hound Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:48:45 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17673 Yesterday's game had two plays that just made your jaw drop. The first was when Crawford had the ball during a one-on-one fast break against Terwilliger. Crawford hesitated in front of him than used an incredibly nifty spin move to go right past him for a lay in, leaving Terwilliger looking completely baffled.<br>The second play was after Ohio State had cut the lead to 3 late in the second half. But with about 5:30 remaining Ellis took the ball at the top of the key, dropped it down low to DJ White who dunked it right in the face of OSU's Kosta Koufos plus a foul. Then the CBS cameraman zoomed in on Koufos hanging his head and staring straight at the floor like DJ had just stolen his lunch money. Two incredible plays from a good win. Yesterday's game had two plays that just made your jaw drop. The first was when Crawford had the ball during a one-on-one fast break against Terwilliger. Crawford hesitated in front of him than used an incredibly nifty spin move to go right past him for a lay in, leaving Terwilliger looking completely baffled.
The second play was after Ohio State had cut the lead to 3 late in the second half. But with about 5:30 remaining Ellis took the ball at the top of the key, dropped it down low to DJ White who dunked it right in the face of OSU's Kosta Koufos plus a foul. Then the CBS cameraman zoomed in on Koufos hanging his head and staring straight at the floor like DJ had just stolen his lunch money. Two incredible plays from a good win.

]]> By: ray http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/comment-page-1/#comment-17547 ray Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:14:54 +0000 http://www.insidethehall.com/2008/02/11/the-morning-after-ohio-state/#comment-17547 chicagohoosier,<br><br>do you think this is a situation where ratliff may declare himself a transfer, and if so can he still do this because he's played in only a couple of games? or, do you think that a redshirt is possible...then again, i don't think this is an option for a returning player because he played in the regular season...not sure what to think of this article? chicagohoosier,

do you think this is a situation where ratliff may declare himself a transfer, and if so can he still do this because he's played in only a couple of games? or, do you think that a redshirt is possible…then again, i don't think this is an option for a returning player because he played in the regular season…not sure what to think of this article?

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