Hoops Weiss on EJ, Dickie V takes a leave from ESPN

  • 12/18/2007 7:14 pm in

ejclose.jpg– Dick “Hoops” Weiss of the New York Daily News appeared on the Zonebusters today on 1570-AM in Louisville with Rick Bozich and Jody Demling and offered up the following on our boy, Eric Gordon:

“I think Eric Gordon is very special and NBA scouts think he’s special. For some people, the game comes so easy too. (Gordon) is one guy that has the NBA scouts salivating. When the draft comes I’m not sure he’ll be the No. 1 pick but I would take him.”

If there’s a better player in college basketball right now than Gordon, I’d love to see him. He’s a unique blend of speed, power and finesse that we may never see again in an Indiana uniform. The NBA mock draft sites are starting to take notice as well. NBAdraft.net recently moved him to the No. 3 slot just behind fellow freshmen Michael Beasley and Derrick Rose.

– ESPN’s Dick Vitale announced today via his Web site that he’s taking a leave of absence after surgery to have lesions removed from his left vocal cords. Here is a snippet of the press release from the World Wide Leader:

ESPN college basketball analyst Dick Vitale had successful surgery today to treat ulcers on his left vocal chord. Vitale plans to return to the air in early February. He will continue to provide his college basketball observations on ESPN.com and dickvitaleonline.com while he recuperates. Vitale is in his 29th season with ESPN and had never missed a game. The surgery was performed by Dr. Steven Zeitels at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston.

Say what you will about Vitale, but the man is great for college basketball. He brings an enthusiasm unmatched by anyone and I’m hoping he’ll be able to return to the job he loves. Here’s hoping for a speedy recovery for you, Dickie V. If you’d like to read more on Vitale, I highly recommend PostmanR’s take over at the Postmen.

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  • kelin

    Fill me in here…given this is only a mock draft….Y iz EJ behind Derrick Rose…

    Is it scoring ability…NOPE
    Is it Defense…NOPE
    Is it size/strength…NOPE
    Ok Ok shooting…Hell NOPE
    Ballhandling…mmmm slight edge rose

    So what is it…maybe I will email NBA draft net?

  • kelin

    Fill me in here…given this is only a mock draft….Y iz EJ behind Derrick Rose…

    Is it scoring ability…NOPE
    Is it Defense…NOPE
    Is it size/strength…NOPE
    Ok Ok shooting…Hell NOPE
    Ballhandling…mmmm slight edge rose

    So what is it…maybe I will email NBA draft net?

  • Kelin,

    Perhaps they are basing their draft on the need of the team making the pick. Although it’s impossible to predict how the lottery will pan out, I’m guessing that’s what they’re trying to do based on the current record of every team.

  • Kelin,

    Perhaps they are basing their draft on the need of the team making the pick. Although it’s impossible to predict how the lottery will pan out, I’m guessing that’s what they’re trying to do based on the current record of every team.

  • kelin

    Big A I guess that means the Pacers have to start losing some games and losing them often….c’mon you can do it….

  • kelin

    Big A I guess that means the Pacers have to start losing some games and losing them often….c’mon you can do it….

  • Off Topic, but did anyone enjoy that beat down Houston put on Kentucky?

  • Off Topic, but did anyone enjoy that beat down Houston put on Kentucky?

  • kelin

    KY really really really sucks…I look at Billy the kid and feel sorry for him…but then again it’s KY who cares. Wow Houston…..KY won’t win 12 games this year….

    On another side now…Chi St. gave Miami Ohio some trouble, which is the team that beat Xavier. Chi St. also has one of the countries leading scorers also…..won’t be a total cup cake team.

  • kelin

    KY really really really sucks…I look at Billy the kid and feel sorry for him…but then again it’s KY who cares. Wow Houston…..KY won’t win 12 games this year….

    On another side now…Chi St. gave Miami Ohio some trouble, which is the team that beat Xavier. Chi St. also has one of the countries leading scorers also…..won’t be a total cup cake team.

  • Luke

    About every team IU has beat is on a downhill slide. I mean SO ILL, X (which we lost to rather badly), GT have all gotten beat pretty bad. But UK is really really bad I don’t see them making the big dance. I wonder how big blue nation will take that?

  • Luke

    About every team IU has beat is on a downhill slide. I mean SO ILL, X (which we lost to rather badly), GT have all gotten beat pretty bad. But UK is really really bad I don’t see them making the big dance. I wonder how big blue nation will take that?

  • kelin

    Luke it is worse for big blue fan cause Tubby I believe is 7-1…and they wanted him OUT.

  • kelin

    Luke it is worse for big blue fan cause Tubby I believe is 7-1…and they wanted him OUT.

  • Craig

    Rose is a true point guard – the type of player that is rare in today’s NBA.

    Gordon is an undersized shooting guard who cannot/will not/should not be converted to a point in the NBA.

    Kelin, as you point out, at this point Rose may not appear to be as good of a player as Gordon to some, he projects slightly better to the NBA game. Plus, as a shooting guard, Gordon will be asked to defend players on a nightly basis that are bigger than him. Rose will be defending point guards that are the same size as he is.

  • Craig

    Rose is a true point guard – the type of player that is rare in today’s NBA.

    Gordon is an undersized shooting guard who cannot/will not/should not be converted to a point in the NBA.

    Kelin, as you point out, at this point Rose may not appear to be as good of a player as Gordon to some, he projects slightly better to the NBA game. Plus, as a shooting guard, Gordon will be asked to defend players on a nightly basis that are bigger than him. Rose will be defending point guards that are the same size as he is.

  • Steve O

    Craig, how is Gordon and undersized shooting guard? At 6’3-6’4 215lbs he’s pretty much the perfect NBA shooting guard size. Ever heard of Dwayne Wade? 6’4 215lbs… So not sure what you’re talking about there.

  • Steve O

    Craig, how is Gordon and undersized shooting guard? At 6’3-6’4 215lbs he’s pretty much the perfect NBA shooting guard size. Ever heard of Dwayne Wade? 6’4 215lbs… So not sure what you’re talking about there.

  • Calbert Cheaney

    Any word on Ratliff making the grades? Can’t wait to see him back in action!

  • Calbert Cheaney

    Any word on Ratliff making the grades? Can’t wait to see him back in action!

  • kelin

    Craig…but can Rose Defend? On ball EJ is a solid defender and his off ball defense needs improvement…BUT in the NBA he has a talent that sells tickets and that NBA “people like” including the commish…He can score and he is a “good” guy with the “right” people around him and he “gets it”.

    Rose is similar to Mike Conley, an OK shooter but very good guard skills…. Rose is NOT a pure point guard based on NBA standers…J.Kidd and Steve Nash..they are pure point guards

    Rose assist average 3.9 EJ’s 2.4…..

  • kelin

    Craig…but can Rose Defend? On ball EJ is a solid defender and his off ball defense needs improvement…BUT in the NBA he has a talent that sells tickets and that NBA “people like” including the commish…He can score and he is a “good” guy with the “right” people around him and he “gets it”.

    Rose is similar to Mike Conley, an OK shooter but very good guard skills…. Rose is NOT a pure point guard based on NBA standers…J.Kidd and Steve Nash..they are pure point guards

    Rose assist average 3.9 EJ’s 2.4…..

  • Tom

    If Gordon had chose Duke instead of IU—-he would have been labeled the best college guard since the Big “O”–which he is in fact and the pro scouts know it. As for Dickie V, another poster put it best:” I pray that it is not life threatening or an ongoing health problem, but that it is career ending.”, or words to that effect. I second that thought.

  • Tom

    If Gordon had chose Duke instead of IU—-he would have been labeled the best college guard since the Big “O”–which he is in fact and the pro scouts know it. As for Dickie V, another poster put it best:” I pray that it is not life threatening or an ongoing health problem, but that it is career ending.”, or words to that effect. I second that thought.

  • Hoosier Hound

    If I was an NBA gm I would take Rose first overall, because I can count on one hand the number of really good point guards in the league (Nash, Kidd, Billips, Paul, Williams). A true point guard is so valuable in the NBA it trumps a lot of other qualities. Then I would take Beasley second because he looks like the next Garnett, Stoudamire, D Howard of the NBA. After those two, EJ might be the best player, though it would depend on if the team wanted a guard or a big guy like Hibbert, Hansbrough, or Jordan.

    Best wishes to Dickie V.

  • Hoosier Hound

    If I was an NBA gm I would take Rose first overall, because I can count on one hand the number of really good point guards in the league (Nash, Kidd, Billips, Paul, Williams). A true point guard is so valuable in the NBA it trumps a lot of other qualities. Then I would take Beasley second because he looks like the next Garnett, Stoudamire, D Howard of the NBA. After those two, EJ might be the best player, though it would depend on if the team wanted a guard or a big guy like Hibbert, Hansbrough, or Jordan.

    Best wishes to Dickie V.

  • Craig

    DWade is one example and happens to be one of the best players in the league. For every ONE Wade you can count handfuls of big 2 guards (Kobe, TMac, Kevin Martin, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton) who are at least 3 inches taller than EGordon. Therefore, Gordon is in fact considered undersized.

    Conley was a top 5 pick last year, so discrediting Rose by saying he is similar to Conley doesn’t work.

    Kelin – you question Rose’s ability to defend. I recognize you probably have watched Gordon play plenty and haven’t had the opportunities to watch DRose. I think if you watch him, you’ll realize he’s a hell of a defender.

    Gordon over Rose because he can sell tickets? I think NBA “people” recognize the financial success of the Suns and would accept drafting a pass first point guard like Rose.

    How is Rose not a pure point guard based on NBA standers? What is your rationale here?

    As a freshman:
    Nash, 8 PPG, 2 APG, 2.5 RPG
    Kidd, 13 PPG, 7.7 APG, 5 RPG
    Rose 14.4 PPG, 3.9 APG, 5.3 RPG

    I think at least this point in his career, Rose is right there with the pure point guards you state he is not nearly like. I’m not saying he is currently as good of a player as Nash and Rose. I am saying he is a PURE point guard, as Nash and Kidd are referred to as PURE point guards.

    I’m a big IU fan and love what Gordon does on the court, but I’m also a big NBA fan and am confident that Rose is right there with Gordon as an NBA prospect.

  • Craig

    DWade is one example and happens to be one of the best players in the league. For every ONE Wade you can count handfuls of big 2 guards (Kobe, TMac, Kevin Martin, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton) who are at least 3 inches taller than EGordon. Therefore, Gordon is in fact considered undersized.

    Conley was a top 5 pick last year, so discrediting Rose by saying he is similar to Conley doesn’t work.

    Kelin – you question Rose’s ability to defend. I recognize you probably have watched Gordon play plenty and haven’t had the opportunities to watch DRose. I think if you watch him, you’ll realize he’s a hell of a defender.

    Gordon over Rose because he can sell tickets? I think NBA “people” recognize the financial success of the Suns and would accept drafting a pass first point guard like Rose.

    How is Rose not a pure point guard based on NBA standers? What is your rationale here?

    As a freshman:
    Nash, 8 PPG, 2 APG, 2.5 RPG
    Kidd, 13 PPG, 7.7 APG, 5 RPG
    Rose 14.4 PPG, 3.9 APG, 5.3 RPG

    I think at least this point in his career, Rose is right there with the pure point guards you state he is not nearly like. I’m not saying he is currently as good of a player as Nash and Rose. I am saying he is a PURE point guard, as Nash and Kidd are referred to as PURE point guards.

    I’m a big IU fan and love what Gordon does on the court, but I’m also a big NBA fan and am confident that Rose is right there with Gordon as an NBA prospect.

  • Nathaniel

    The only thing Eric Gorodon is lacking right now maybe strength in the NBA it will be harder for him to get his shot off against NBA centers when he drives down the lane. I think he should stay in college one more year and learn a little bit more in defense and get stronger. Plus, maybe be a Title contender again if he stays D.J. White might be able to get a medical red shirt for two seasons ago and come back for another year, armon, gordon, ellis, thomas, white as starters……crawford, matt roth, ebanks, mcgee, and holman coming off the bench….not including pritchard in the mix there either or any juco transfers they may get gordon and white both need to come back next year to win a National Title

  • Nathaniel

    The only thing Eric Gorodon is lacking right now maybe strength in the NBA it will be harder for him to get his shot off against NBA centers when he drives down the lane. I think he should stay in college one more year and learn a little bit more in defense and get stronger. Plus, maybe be a Title contender again if he stays D.J. White might be able to get a medical red shirt for two seasons ago and come back for another year, armon, gordon, ellis, thomas, white as starters……crawford, matt roth, ebanks, mcgee, and holman coming off the bench….not including pritchard in the mix there either or any juco transfers they may get gordon and white both need to come back next year to win a National Title

  • Gary

    Gary Says,

    Tom, you and others like you that want this Dick Vitel medical condition to be career ending are just sick. Why in the world would you want a man who has worked so hard at his career to loose it??? He may not be your cup of tea but he has certainly worked hard to get where he is at. He puts in more hours a week to better his career than you have ever thought of putting in. I am not a big fan of Dickie V but I sure don’t want this to end his career. If you don’t like the way he does his job just he does there is a great new invention that you have obviously not heard of!!!! It is called the MUTE button.

  • Gary

    Gary Says,

    Tom, you and others like you that want this Dick Vitel medical condition to be career ending are just sick. Why in the world would you want a man who has worked so hard at his career to loose it??? He may not be your cup of tea but he has certainly worked hard to get where he is at. He puts in more hours a week to better his career than you have ever thought of putting in. I am not a big fan of Dickie V but I sure don’t want this to end his career. If you don’t like the way he does his job just he does there is a great new invention that you have obviously not heard of!!!! It is called the MUTE button.

  • kelin

    Craig you make good points on Rose, My comparison to Conley is the type of game they play…fast, good pt guard skills, but suspect jumpshots. A friend of mine covered the hawks workout of mike conely for his website and said the Hawks said this kid CANNOT shoot a lick.

    Rose is an ok shooter and for a point guard if you are an ok shooter, you are brevin knight. Nathaniel, EJ got off plenty o’ shots agaisnt oden and mcroberts in h.s….I don’t think the 4 NBA centers that exist would be an issue.

    GOOD GOOD DEBATE THOUGH…..

  • kelin

    Craig you make good points on Rose, My comparison to Conley is the type of game they play…fast, good pt guard skills, but suspect jumpshots. A friend of mine covered the hawks workout of mike conely for his website and said the Hawks said this kid CANNOT shoot a lick.

    Rose is an ok shooter and for a point guard if you are an ok shooter, you are brevin knight. Nathaniel, EJ got off plenty o’ shots agaisnt oden and mcroberts in h.s….I don’t think the 4 NBA centers that exist would be an issue.

    GOOD GOOD DEBATE THOUGH…..

  • Kelin,

    Comparing Derrick Rose to Brevin Knight is a bit ridiculous. Knight is 5’10” and not nearly as athletic as Rose. I think Rose and Gordon are neck and neck in terms of their potential on the next level. My guess is they’ll both be top five picks.

  • Kelin,

    Comparing Derrick Rose to Brevin Knight is a bit ridiculous. Knight is 5’10” and not nearly as athletic as Rose. I think Rose and Gordon are neck and neck in terms of their potential on the next level. My guess is they’ll both be top five picks.

  • kelin

    Big A my comparison was a point guard without a jumpshot in the NBA is nothing more than Brevin Knight, Rose is better than Brevin but if his jumpshot is suspect…he is an assist guy only…now ofcourse tonite D.Rose hits 5 3’s so maybe I have motivated him.

  • kelin

    Big A my comparison was a point guard without a jumpshot in the NBA is nothing more than Brevin Knight, Rose is better than Brevin but if his jumpshot is suspect…he is an assist guy only…now ofcourse tonite D.Rose hits 5 3’s so maybe I have motivated him.

  • ray

    realize too that they have kosta koufos drafted long before dj white. i think that may change over the course of the season as well. and yes, i do realize that one will play pf and the other at c, but i still think dj is going to be a better interior presence this year than koufos.

  • ray

    realize too that they have kosta koufos drafted long before dj white. i think that may change over the course of the season as well. and yes, i do realize that one will play pf and the other at c, but i still think dj is going to be a better interior presence this year than koufos.

  • ray

    oh, and by the way…the same site also gave eli holman honorable mention for the freshman class. nothing against holman, but he hasn’t even had a lot of playing time with the hoosiers. our other freshman are not mentioned. however, i am glad for eli to have this sort of recognition

  • ray

    oh, and by the way…the same site also gave eli holman honorable mention for the freshman class. nothing against holman, but he hasn’t even had a lot of playing time with the hoosiers. our other freshman are not mentioned. however, i am glad for eli to have this sort of recognition