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The Morning After: Xavier

by Eamonn Brennan in Morning After | November 25th, 2007

ejclose4.jpgLosing early in the year is never as bad as it feels — last night, it felt like anger with a capital ANGER — but the next day comes and the frustration wears off and you start to focus in on reality again. And after a couple viewings of last night’s game (I’m going to shelf the ISU game for now), it’s clear there are deficiencies in this team. Some of them are correctable, and some are not; the rub is in knowing one from the other.

Below, a nebulously divided list:

Correctable

– Eric Gordon’s struggles. The bottom line is that as good as Gordon is, he is not infallible. He remains a freshman, prone to freshman frustrations, overexertions and mistakes. Credit Xavier’s physical defense, especially guard Stanley Burrell (who stayed in front of Gordon on nearly every possession), and the way the Musketeers refused to rotate away from Gordon the entire night. Xavier drew the blueprint for beating IU: Make Gordon settle for contested jump shots, and make the rest of the Hoosiers step up offensively.

That didn’t happen last night — IU was woeful from the three point line, and besides D.J. White’s first good game the Hoosiers had little presence in the paint — but it won’t happen every night. IU will shoot better, and Gordon will find the difference between asserting himself and forcing things. The chances that teams will be able to shut him down, and rely on poor play from everyone else, seem pretty slim.

(After the jump: Defensive discussion, the arrogance of youth, Uncorrectables that I hope are actually correctable, and sour grapes.)

– Defensive coherence. The Hoosiers’ most glaring issue throughout their first three games was team defense, and they showed no progress last night. D.J. White and DeAndre Thomas are both hedging screens far too high and struggling to recover; by the second half, Xavier was rotating the ball much more quickly to exploit the slow recovery. It even led to White’s top-of-the-key guarding of Drew Lavender, and while that didn’t end up in a Lavender bucket, it induced a giant gulp from at least one viewer.

Transition defense was also extremely leaky. That led to open layups in transition, uncontested jump shots in the secondary break, and, most notably, Jamarcus Ellis ending up on the wrong end of a Derrick Brown poster moment. I felt bad for Jamarcus, mostly because he was trying to do the right thing by stepping in and taking the charge, but he really should have just gotten the hell out of dodge when he saw Brown getting ready for liftoff. But, yeah: the transition and secondary break defense was awful, and has to get better. Here’s betting it will.

– The arrogance of youth. Those of you that have seen Cold Mountain (good movie) will recognize the quote, but in referring to the Hoosiers, I’m looking at Gordon, Jordan Crawford, DeAndre Thomas, and even Ellis. In their first game against an athletically mature team, each of IU’s new additions looked overwhelmed. This is just a theory — one obviously open for debate — but that might be due to the lack of prior experience with a team in the same talent ballpark as the Hoosiers. (This theory has its limits; after all, in today’s basketball talent development, players play so many AAU games they get to see plenty of athletic talent.) Still, thus far everything has been easy for IU. Last night, IU’s newcomers learned that most of Division 1 looks more like the Musketeers and less like the Longwood Lancers.

(Probably, but hopefully not) Uncorrectable

– Athleticism at the four. I like DeAndre Thomas for what he is: a big body with above-average skills. But at 295 pounds, and only, like, 6′7”, Thomas is going to meet more than a few power forwards this year that will outjump him every time down the court. Last night, Xavier’s bigs were not only more athletic than DeAndre, they were just as strong, and IU suffered match up problems because of it.

Which brings us to Lance Stemler. Even more than DeAndre, we know what Lance Stemler is: an unathletic three guard shackled by a forward’s slow feet. Sampson plays Stemler at four to decrease the likelihood that Stemler has to guard on the perimeter, because nearly every time Lance was caught out top, he got blown by. He’s not a particularly high jumper, nor does he seem to have a nose for rebounds; he’s just sort of there sometimes. Lance also does a lot of the “little things” a lot of us admire — he fights for loose balls, dives on the floor, comes up with a strip or two here and there — but at this point it’s hard to argue that Lance does enough of the little things to make up for the very big things he simply can’t do.

– Reliance on the outside shot. It’s too early to know if the Hoosiers are going to be as dependent on outside shooting as they were last year, but if they are, last night’s game shows how that problem can come rearing its ugly little at the wrong times. IU doesn’t need to shoot particularly well against teams like Chattanooga, but against a tough, physical team like Xavier, those shots are all the more crucial. Last year, the Hoosiers played a tough, physical team (UCLA) in the second round of the NCAA tournament; when those shots went cold, IU was effectively sunk (despite a late game surge). There’s still time for IU to be a balanced offensive team, but if they aren’t, we’ll be begging the three point gods for makes all year. It’s not nearly as much fun as it sounds.

Sour grapes-ish addendum

– Memo to Drew Lavender: Winning the Chicago Invitational Tournament, even by upsetting No. 8 IU, is not worthy of the traditional post-NBA Finals ball toss. In case you didn’t see it, after the final buzzer, Lavender reached below his waist and launched the ball, tremulet-style, into the rafters. Maybe I’m the only person this irked. Probably because I’m an IU fan.

– Memo to everyone else on Xavier: Chest-pounding is healthy, even preferable, after a big dunk or a three-point play, et al. At some point, though — around, oh, the 40th or 50th chest-pound — it starts to cross over into annoying. Maybe I’m the only person this irked. Probably because I’m an IU fan.

That’s it for this week, but there’s plenty more to discuss. As always, your additions in the comments.

  • Kelin
    OK before everyone laughs me off the board.....Could Kyle Taber be our CURRENT answer at the 4spot? He has some size, when he gets in the game he goes after rebounds....and he can't be any worse offensively than Eli or DT right now....Maybe I need some more sleep....no time to panic.
  • Tyler
    Totally agreed E. I was there and it seemed after every basket there would be some serious chest-pounding. Then the DJ and EJ quarrels just threw me off end. How Xavier did not get a T on one of those is beyond me.
  • Chuck
    I think this game will help the Hoosiers more than any blowout could have. They know now that they have to develop someone at the four (while knowing you still have a solid player in Deandre, lets remember that it was his 4th Division 1 game). The Hoosiers had many open shot chances that just missed, we just hope it will not happen to everyone on the same night again. The best thing from this game... DJ White looking quite aggresive, if this continues, the Hoosiers will do a lot better due to teams having to put more focus on him while guarding Gordon. It makes sense that the others will have an easier time scoring (if they are not all missing on the same night). I marked this one as a loss when I saw the schedule... I think they will learn a lot from it.
  • jaime gongora
    I don't mind the chest thumping, and the taunts from the xavier players. I hope each hoosier has that image in their heads. Hopefully it will give them extra motivation to work harder and play with a chip on their shoulders.
  • Jude Komyatte
    Fellow posters,
    I commented in the previous article that Eric Gordon's game resembles that of Ben Gordon or Vinnie Johnson. Other comments disagreed. Well, who in the league does Eric Gordon's game resemble? If anybody thinks Michael or Kobe, then I disagree. I feel time will show that even if he stays healthy he will never be a transformational type or championship-quality difference maker. I also see some Michael Redd, Alan Houston in him- not much better then them offensively. He does show better defensive effort and energy.
  • Kelin
    Jude if I had to answer that question I would go with a few players.....Dwanye Wade and Mitch Richmond. I would say wade because they are similar in build and with more maturity and opportunity EJ will and could be as good a playmaker as wade. I will say EJ has more range on his jumpshot than D-wade. They both can score in multiple ways and both are very good athletes. I am not sure what you are basing your comparisons on but if you look at the style of play you will see the Vinne Johnson comparison is way off.

    I do find it interesting that you didn't say much when EJ was scoring 30, now he has an off night like the ENTIRE team and it is time to pile on...while he still found other ways to score.

    Chuck you are 100% right, this could help more than hurt
  • Mark
    Very well written and I agree with most of it. I also think Taber could benefit us for a couple minutes here and there. He has a knack for the boards, but by no means is a 15 minute player, but could spell some bigs for 2-3 minutes without hurting us on the boards or defensive end. Hopefully, Holman will get stronger and get into a groove along with McGee. A little less 1 on 1 NBA play wouldn't hurt either.
  • b-side
    I wrote this in a more detailed explanation in Terry Hutchen's blog on the indystar website, but I just want to reiterate that we missed AJ Ratliff badly tonight. Crawford bringing the ball up in the 2nd half and trying to initiate the offense was miserable. His one-on-one game works against inferior competition, but not major conference teams.

    AJ's perimter defense and ability to spread the floor was sorely missed. His experience playing away from Assembly Hall will prove to be vital during this young team's growing pains. Go to class AJ...we need you!
  • b-side
    Just a quick addendum, I'm not trying to point out that AJ would be a better PG for this team than Crawford. Ellis or Bassett are better suited to initiate the offense. My only beef with Ellis is a lack of a consistent jumper from 15 feet out.
  • PMK
    1) E's analysis here is very well done. Right down to my thoughts about Lavender launching the ball into the Sears Centre rafters. Kudos on a great wrap-up, and will keep me coming back to the site for my Hoosier fix.

    2) Judy - I can definitely see the Ben Gordon comparison, but I feel like EJ has what Ben Gordon lacks and as a Bulls fan why I get so frustrated with him. EJ (at least in college) can create his own shot and rise over defenders while being able to finish strong at the rim. BG does not do this, but EJ may struggle with this in the pros as well.

    3) Kelin - couldn't agree more with you about trying Taber at the 4. I was begging for Holman last night but he looked (Gasp!) just as bad as Stemlar. After seeing Lance again in person last night, I am 100% convinced he is not worthy of a spot in the rotation on this team, sorry Hoosier faithful.

    4)I was disappointed in specifically Sampson and EJ's ability to adjust during the game. Two parts here:

    EJ: Wish he would have considered driving and dishing more than driving and lowering his shoulder (which he did multiple times). Lowering the shoulder with the head down will not allow him to find open teammates when guys collapse on him. However, being 12-12 from the line makes this point highly debatable, admittedly. And my other gripe for EJ: Stop with the scoop finishes at the rim. He had what should have been an easy and-1 in the second half but missed it because he tried to do that awful scoop layup he seems to like so much. He's a powerful finisher, use it by attacking the rim not finessing the finish.

    Sampson: After seeing the way the first half went shooting wise, I would have loved nothing more than to pound and pound with DJ White in the second. Just going through the play-by-play box score of the second half, after watching a woeful first half of shooting, we still refused to go to our horse down low. I hope we do not become a jump shooting team, DJ is too good down there not to be a primary offensive threat. I know we were down and Basset has an improved shot, but he should never, ever, have 4 more field goal attempts than DJ White in another game this season. This phenomenon needs to stop.
  • james twitty sr
    THIS WAS THE EXACT TYPE OF GAME THEY NEEDED.THE LOSS WILL HELP THE TEAM.THEY WILL LISTEN TO COACH SAMPSON BETTER.SO DON'T SELL THEM SHORT BECAUSE OF THIS LOSS.COME BACK STRONG HOOSIERS,SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT.
  • kelin
    I think DJ needs to have as many shot attempts if not more than EJ. Games in the future would be so much easier if we would establish DJ, get him going offensively which gets him going into the game....THEN when the double teams come, assist to EJ, Jordan, Armon, Ellis, and our 4 man Tabar! We FINALLY have an inside out game that we could do damage with but have yet to really use it. I look forward to the GT game and how we respond.
  • kelin
    Interesting game tonite....Southern Ill vs. USC and OJ "I look out for" Meyo
  • kelin
    on espn2
  • Jason
    There aren't enough pictures of Eric Gordon on this front page...
  • Witt
    Nothing like being out of town for some important basketball games. Seems as though I missed an important weekend of basketball. I haven't felt IU has gotten D.J. White involved enough this season. It's understandable to give some of the newer and younger guys opportunities against our easier opponents, but I really think if D.J. had been more involved in previous games it at least could have opened something up offensively. D.J. White, by some "experts'" opinions, is All-American worthy, however, I haven't seen him do much this season. I'd really like to see more of him. I can already hear the pep band playing "Last Night a D.J. Saved My Life"
  • Eric
    If you want to compare EJ to anybody, compare him to Richard Hamilton. If you've seen any one of the games IU played this season, then you would have seen that no one sets screens at all. It's hard to be productive in college basketball playing one on one the whole game. If IU would set screens for EJ like Detroit does for Rip, then there would be no problems getting good, open shots. Plus, screens can help EJ break a defender down, because the defender will either be off balance or not in position after getting through the screen.
  • Eric
    I dont know what Sampson's been doing all pre-season, but if he's gonna bring in top 10 recruiting classes every year, then he needs to put in plays to open his key guys up. Plus, they all seem to watch, and stand around when the ball's not in their hands. He needs to not baby his teams, put in discipline to get his team playing hard every night, because you wont find the number 1 team playing sluggish any night or playing like they dont know what to do next.
  • kelin
    I agree Eric, EJ could be a lot tougher match up for any good defender if you have him coming off some screens....otherwise it is him getting his own shot. I agree with Witt also, DJ has been a non factor and if that happens tomorrow night against GT we will drop two in a row!

    I still wish we were playing Puke tomorrow

    SIU looked bad last night against USC
  • Corey James
    Unfortunately I was hunting this weekend and spent most of my time in the wilderness away from the TV and unknowingly missed the Xavier game. I think the loss will due more good than any of the wins have this season, I think the younger players will all benefit, especially Gordon, and Sampson will benefit from this loss tremendously. I agree with what Eric says I have watched this team all season and at times I watch as 4 players stand outside the 3 point line and DJ tries to establish the post. This usually results in a one on one NBA style of approach that I pulled my hair out while watching under the Mike Davis tenure. I look for Sampson to try and get the offense to run a more screening and moving oriented type of play and I hope he gets DJ more involved. As for the defense I know that Sampson will eventually get things turned around. Finally give Taber some more playing time, the guy deserves it, lets see what he can do.
  • KENNETH
    To see 4 guys standing around each waiting for somebody to do something (shoot it Bracey!) upset my stomach. Too many bad memories.

    I think that the Hoosiers were exposed for what they are: thin on the front line and a poor defensive team.

    I have not seen this team play well defensively yet. They can beat the hell out of people who are not as athletic, but once it gets even in that area or the other team may be more athletic, then they cannot guard anybody (yet).

    I would also like to see Taber get more minutes. They need bodies inside. Anybody who can block-out, rebound, foul, anything.

    I also thought that they should have pushed the tempo a little bit more offensively. They seem to be more productive playing that way when they can use their athletic abilitiy versus a structured offense.
  • kelin
    I am now wondering if red shirting mike white is a good idea. I am going to assume it was more than a basketball decision and maybe giving the kid more time to graduate...nevertheless. I won't throw in the towl on DT or Lance and I still wish Tabar will get some time....
  • Moose
    Thanks to all for an intelligent discussion. My 2 cents is really to build on the direction that Eric and PMK have taken . . .

    I was as disturbed as everyone else at the lack of an offense, and agree that we really need some additional options at the "4." What was driving me crazy, though, is that down the stretch Sampson was playing Ellis at the 4, with Stemler and Thomas on the bench. Our interior defense was getting absolutely crushed - and we refused to deviate from a 4 guard lineup. I know that neither Thomas nor Stemler are a panacea, but they could hardly have done any worse than the undersized folks we had in there.
  • plane1972
    I feel the inside-out game will come. That argument is a bit of a double-edged sword. The early games, while relatively quiet for DJ, have gotten the freshmen very involved and given them a taste of the college game (albeit, vs. some lessor talent until So. Ill. and Xavier).

    I'm not as disappointed about this loss as I could be because Xavier is a quality team that we could have beaten with a little more season under our belts, but a tournament-quality team. This loss is a big wake-up call for the players, coaches, and some of us over-exhuberant fans. :-)
  • Steve O
    Hey Jude:

    Way to sidestep your comments about Gordon being "undersized for his position." I'd like to know what you think the right size for a 2 guard would be. Think before you answer... Remember, one of the best players in the world, a guy by the name of Dwayne Wade, is a megar 6'4 215. And I'm pretty sure he looks bigger than most NBA shooting guards. Oh wait, isn't Gordon 6'4 215? What a coinsidence!!!! And last I checked Gordon is also like 3rd in the country in scoring and shooting well over 50%. STOP HATING!

    Go root for Purdue. IU doesn't need you negativity.
  • kelin
    Jude....Allen Iverson 6ft 2 guard
    Mitch Richmond 6'2 2 guard
    Brandon Roy 6'3 2 guard (ROY of the year by the way)
  • Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't Mitch Richmond like 6'5"?
  • MikeyD
    No disrespect to Taber, but I feel Mike White would have been a serious contributor this season. Anybody ever see any press release or quotes as to why he was red-shirted? I think having him and AJ in the rotation would make a big difference. Both (especially MW) played with more heart and vigor than most on this team. We could easily have had a 10 man rotation. With as much talent that is in that mix, we could have flat worn out other teams every night.
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