Plenty of questions remain unanswered

  • 10/18/2007 1:40 pm in

kelvin_sampson_2.jpgThe list of questions that still need to be answered regarding Kelvin Sampson’s latest phone call fiasco is a substantial one. What was supposed to be the most anticipated Indiana basketball season since the early 90’s now has, as Indy Star beat reporter Terry Hutchens called it, a dark gray cloud hanging above. Instead of answering questions about D.J. White’s draft stock and Eric Gordon’s quest to become player of the year in the Big Ten as a freshman, the focus has shifted to Kelvin Sampson and whether he is the right man to lead IU. Let’s examine that and two other burning questions.

Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach for Indiana?
A week ago, I would have given you a definitive answer of yes. Today, I would still say yes, but with far less conviction. There is no question that Sampson is a great coach. He gets the most out of his players and kids really want to play hard for him. However, the pristine image Indiana basketball fans have of their program is not being upheld and that’s the major sticking point for Sampson. He’s been at the helm for 18 months after making a promise that his problems at Oklahoma were behind him and he’s let us all down. Can the trust be restored? Or have too many fans already written him off? The best thing Sampson can do is win, win and then win some more. Winning won’t make everyone forget what he’s done, but it will be a temporary band aid to ease the pain.

Who’s responsible: The school’s compliance department or the coaching staff?
Both parties are responsible. The compliance department should be blamed for not having more strict procedures in place to monitor phone records. Thorough monthly checks should have taken place. It was naive to assume a problem like this wouldn’t happen again. The coaching staff should be blamed for not adhering to the rules. The “we didn’t know” argument doesn’t fly with me. You knew. You just chose not to follow the rules. It’s that simple. Mike DeCourcy of the Sporting News has an excellent take on this question:

That’s what’s so disappointing about what occurred here. That’s why it’s so disappointing it was allowed to occur. Even though Sampson’s hiring was controversial because of previous phone call violations at Oklahoma, mistakes that were made early in his IU tenure were not flagged until more than a year after he took the job. Given the record that followed him from Oklahoma to Indiana, Sampson should have been insisting on monthly audits of the program’s phone logs. Failing that, Indiana should have insisted for him.

What was IU’s compliance office doing all that time? Ordering pizza? The excessive and impermissible phone calls this time did not approach the 577 number that became tattooed onto Sampson’s OU legacy. But there might have been almost none if some clerical oversights had been caught earlier and the program’s vigilance increased. No one charged with operating or overseeing Indiana basketball understands what it’s going to take to make it right, make it whole again.

What will the NCAA do?
This is the million dollar question. If the words “postseason ban” come out of this whole fiasco, Sampson and staff will be cleaning out their offices. That scenario would trigger an immediate termination of the staff and most likely, AD Rick Greenspan. After all, Greenspan stuck his neck out there and hired Sampson despite his problems at Oklahoma. The NCAA is not likely to rule on this situation in the immediate future. IU is taking the public stance that their self-imposed penalties are strong enough. In most cases, I would agree. However, the fact that some of these phone calls took place during a time where sanctions were already being enforced on Sampson could open the possibility of more severe punishments. Ultimately, the result will likely end somewhere in the middle.

I’m interesting in hearing your thoughts on all three of these questions. Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach for Indiana? Who’s responsible: The compliance department or the coaching staff? What will the NCAA do?

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  • Jeff McGregor

    I believe because Myles Brand still has something against the IU faithful that blamed him for the firing of The General, he will push for more severe actions. They won’t be banned from the tourney, but may lose another scholarship.

    The real question is, why is this situation bringing so much hype? Don’t get me wrong, Sampson broke the rules a second time and is deserving of some bad press and light sanctions. He hasn’t been accused of paying players to play or sitting back while they are “supported” by off-campus entities.

    USC’s football program is constantly touted as one of the best in the NCAA and yet Reggie Bush received more benefits than many CEOs when he was playing there. If anyone thinks Sampson should get fired for a very small amount of excessive phone calls, then the entire USC football program should be stripped of the last 2 titles and be unable to participate in a bowl game for at least two more years.

    It just seems that there are some drastic double standards in the NCAA. It doesn’t matter, though. Sampson has and will bring in amazing recruits even if he has to spend eleven less minutes on the phone over the course of a year.

  • Jeff McGregor

    I believe because Myles Brand still has something against the IU faithful that blamed him for the firing of The General, he will push for more severe actions. They won’t be banned from the tourney, but may lose another scholarship.

    The real question is, why is this situation bringing so much hype? Don’t get me wrong, Sampson broke the rules a second time and is deserving of some bad press and light sanctions. He hasn’t been accused of paying players to play or sitting back while they are “supported” by off-campus entities.

    USC’s football program is constantly touted as one of the best in the NCAA and yet Reggie Bush received more benefits than many CEOs when he was playing there. If anyone thinks Sampson should get fired for a very small amount of excessive phone calls, then the entire USC football program should be stripped of the last 2 titles and be unable to participate in a bowl game for at least two more years.

    It just seems that there are some drastic double standards in the NCAA. It doesn’t matter, though. Sampson has and will bring in amazing recruits even if he has to spend eleven less minutes on the phone over the course of a year.

  • Jeff McGregor

    I believe because Myles Brand still has something against the IU faithful that blamed him for the firing of The General, he will push for more severe actions. They won’t be banned from the tourney, but may lose another scholarship.

    The real question is, why is this situation bringing so much hype? Don’t get me wrong, Sampson broke the rules a second time and is deserving of some bad press and light sanctions. He hasn’t been accused of paying players to play or sitting back while they are “supported” by off-campus entities.

    USC’s football program is constantly touted as one of the best in the NCAA and yet Reggie Bush received more benefits than many CEOs when he was playing there. If anyone thinks Sampson should get fired for a very small amount of excessive phone calls, then the entire USC football program should be stripped of the last 2 titles and be unable to participate in a bowl game for at least two more years.

    It just seems that there are some drastic double standards in the NCAA. It doesn’t matter, though. Sampson has and will bring in amazing recruits even if he has to spend eleven less minutes on the phone over the course of a year.

  • Jeff McGregor

    I believe because Myles Brand still has something against the IU faithful that blamed him for the firing of The General, he will push for more severe actions. They won’t be banned from the tourney, but may lose another scholarship.

    The real question is, why is this situation bringing so much hype? Don’t get me wrong, Sampson broke the rules a second time and is deserving of some bad press and light sanctions. He hasn’t been accused of paying players to play or sitting back while they are “supported” by off-campus entities.

    USC’s football program is constantly touted as one of the best in the NCAA and yet Reggie Bush received more benefits than many CEOs when he was playing there. If anyone thinks Sampson should get fired for a very small amount of excessive phone calls, then the entire USC football program should be stripped of the last 2 titles and be unable to participate in a bowl game for at least two more years.

    It just seems that there are some drastic double standards in the NCAA. It doesn’t matter, though. Sampson has and will bring in amazing recruits even if he has to spend eleven less minutes on the phone over the course of a year.

  • Jeff McGregor

    I believe because Myles Brand still has something against the IU faithful that blamed him for the firing of The General, he will push for more severe actions. They won’t be banned from the tourney, but may lose another scholarship.

    The real question is, why is this situation bringing so much hype? Don’t get me wrong, Sampson broke the rules a second time and is deserving of some bad press and light sanctions. He hasn’t been accused of paying players to play or sitting back while they are “supported” by off-campus entities.

    USC’s football program is constantly touted as one of the best in the NCAA and yet Reggie Bush received more benefits than many CEOs when he was playing there. If anyone thinks Sampson should get fired for a very small amount of excessive phone calls, then the entire USC football program should be stripped of the last 2 titles and be unable to participate in a bowl game for at least two more years.

    It just seems that there are some drastic double standards in the NCAA. It doesn’t matter, though. Sampson has and will bring in amazing recruits even if he has to spend eleven less minutes on the phone over the course of a year.

  • Jeff McGregor

    I believe because Myles Brand still has something against the IU faithful that blamed him for the firing of The General, he will push for more severe actions. They won’t be banned from the tourney, but may lose another scholarship.

    The real question is, why is this situation bringing so much hype? Don’t get me wrong, Sampson broke the rules a second time and is deserving of some bad press and light sanctions. He hasn’t been accused of paying players to play or sitting back while they are “supported” by off-campus entities.

    USC’s football program is constantly touted as one of the best in the NCAA and yet Reggie Bush received more benefits than many CEOs when he was playing there. If anyone thinks Sampson should get fired for a very small amount of excessive phone calls, then the entire USC football program should be stripped of the last 2 titles and be unable to participate in a bowl game for at least two more years.

    It just seems that there are some drastic double standards in the NCAA. It doesn’t matter, though. Sampson has and will bring in amazing recruits even if he has to spend eleven less minutes on the phone over the course of a year.

  • kelin

    I think Kelvin is the right coach for Indiana as he has shown in a short short time. Accomplishing the restoration of the “hoosiernation” as we saw at Midnight Madness shows he has reconnected most of the IU faithful (except for Kent, Ted, and Joe). He has also done the imporant stuff, get a Mr. Basketball, Indiana kids coming and considering Indiana, and getting kids to play the right way….hard!

    I agree with Kelvin, he is ultimately responsible. As a former coach I schooled my staff on the do’s and don’ts of indiana h.s. bball. I am not sure how much KS stressed to his staff or in what intensity did he continually stress…so 95% is on KS and 5% is on the compliance department…ex. I can police myself better than my wife can….

    The NCAA will NOT give IU a post season ban….what do I base that on……I use the example of Michigans post season ban where it involved boosters, LARGE sums of money, players, and the feds…Now the University placed themselves on a two year post season ban but the NCAA added two more years….to shortned the story…the NCAA revoked one of the years based on it “unfairly punished univolved student-athletes”……..what KS and staff did does not compare shelling out over 600K to players and more importantly is DOES NOT involved ANY of the players….I do not think the NCAA would punish kids at the expense of a coaches mistake in this scenario…

    what will they do…I think they will restrict KS recruiting and suspend him for some games. I think they will accept the punishment of Senderoff. Finally they will require IU to monitor themselves more closely and report to the NCAA more frequently….

    To add an extra question Big A….How will this affect the team?
    During adversity on a team/coach, a players focus increases. I see a focused, pissed off, and compasionate bunch of kids going out on the court this season to play for “their coach.”

  • kelin

    I think Kelvin is the right coach for Indiana as he has shown in a short short time. Accomplishing the restoration of the “hoosiernation” as we saw at Midnight Madness shows he has reconnected most of the IU faithful (except for Kent, Ted, and Joe). He has also done the imporant stuff, get a Mr. Basketball, Indiana kids coming and considering Indiana, and getting kids to play the right way….hard!

    I agree with Kelvin, he is ultimately responsible. As a former coach I schooled my staff on the do’s and don’ts of indiana h.s. bball. I am not sure how much KS stressed to his staff or in what intensity did he continually stress…so 95% is on KS and 5% is on the compliance department…ex. I can police myself better than my wife can….

    The NCAA will NOT give IU a post season ban….what do I base that on……I use the example of Michigans post season ban where it involved boosters, LARGE sums of money, players, and the feds…Now the University placed themselves on a two year post season ban but the NCAA added two more years….to shortned the story…the NCAA revoked one of the years based on it “unfairly punished univolved student-athletes”……..what KS and staff did does not compare shelling out over 600K to players and more importantly is DOES NOT involved ANY of the players….I do not think the NCAA would punish kids at the expense of a coaches mistake in this scenario…

    what will they do…I think they will restrict KS recruiting and suspend him for some games. I think they will accept the punishment of Senderoff. Finally they will require IU to monitor themselves more closely and report to the NCAA more frequently….

    To add an extra question Big A….How will this affect the team?
    During adversity on a team/coach, a players focus increases. I see a focused, pissed off, and compasionate bunch of kids going out on the court this season to play for “their coach.”

  • Ollie Skrivanie

    Where the hell is Dan Dakich in all of this mess? Who is responsible to monitor strict compliance? And yes, The “fire” for the upcoming season has been to some extent squelched because of the moronic repeat violations.

  • Ollie Skrivanie

    Where the hell is Dan Dakich in all of this mess? Who is responsible to monitor strict compliance? And yes, The “fire” for the upcoming season has been to some extent squelched because of the moronic repeat violations.

  • Ollie Skrivanie

    Where the hell is Dan Dakich in all of this mess? Who is responsible to monitor strict compliance? And yes, The “fire” for the upcoming season has been to some extent squelched because of the moronic repeat violations.

  • ALH ’00

    Unbelievable!

    Obviously, the product on the court and in recruiting have been encouraging under KS. On the other hand, these blatant violations and the academic troubles that the program has to overcome (whomever’s fault that is) make me want to burn my Indiana paraphernalia.

    This program is really at a crossroad now. Will they get back to dominating basketball played by quality student-athletes? Or, will they simply become another NBA developmental league program where winning at any cost is the MO, even at the expense of the athlete-students they exploit?

    As a lifelong fan and alum, I certainly will not stand for the latter. I agree with you Big A, if they get banned from the tournament, we’ll see a new coach on the sidelines…as it should be.

    Get you act together Sampson!

  • ALH ’00

    Unbelievable!

    Obviously, the product on the court and in recruiting have been encouraging under KS. On the other hand, these blatant violations and the academic troubles that the program has to overcome (whomever’s fault that is) make me want to burn my Indiana paraphernalia.

    This program is really at a crossroad now. Will they get back to dominating basketball played by quality student-athletes? Or, will they simply become another NBA developmental league program where winning at any cost is the MO, even at the expense of the athlete-students they exploit?

    As a lifelong fan and alum, I certainly will not stand for the latter. I agree with you Big A, if they get banned from the tournament, we’ll see a new coach on the sidelines…as it should be.

    Get you act together Sampson!

  • ALH ’00

    Unbelievable!

    Obviously, the product on the court and in recruiting have been encouraging under KS. On the other hand, these blatant violations and the academic troubles that the program has to overcome (whomever’s fault that is) make me want to burn my Indiana paraphernalia.

    This program is really at a crossroad now. Will they get back to dominating basketball played by quality student-athletes? Or, will they simply become another NBA developmental league program where winning at any cost is the MO, even at the expense of the athlete-students they exploit?

    As a lifelong fan and alum, I certainly will not stand for the latter. I agree with you Big A, if they get banned from the tournament, we’ll see a new coach on the sidelines…as it should be.

    Get you act together Sampson!

  • Witt

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach?

    I believe Kelvin Sampson is the right coach for the right now. Unfortunately, IU isn’t a program that right now is all we want. He can recruit, he can win games, he can turn high school ballers into the NCAA elite. However, he can’t develop a program that garners nationwide respect. Much a Coach Knights praise was in his ability to create men from boys, as much as it was the win-loss over his storied career. Kelvin, on the other hand, is bringing in whatever it takes – including soon to be convicted drug dealers – to win games. I’m partially surprised he hasn’t investigated Pacman Jone’s NCAA Basketball eligibility. It is my belief that elite high school players will make a commitment based on the program, and not the immediate success and promises a coach can make – see Duke admissions requirements. In order to maintain a high level success over the long-term a coach must be able to turn boys into men, demand hard work on the court and in the classroom (A.J. Ratliff), and play their role as coach and their role in life by the rules.

    Who is responsible?

    I agree completely that this is a combined failure of the Athletic Administration and the coaching staff. I would like to take this space to commend the intern that had the nerve and maturity to actually report possible evidence to high authorities. In a program this large, it would be conceivable to sweep things under the rug and I’m impressed that the little man stood up to the boss man.

    What will the NCAA do?

    Hopefully they will take a stand. Personally, I am sick and tired of the unethical actions across the board in sports. Michael Vick, Tim Donaghy, USC Football, BALCO, Tour de France. It’s getting to the point where money via success in sports is overpowering the true spirit of the games. If league officials (for any and every league) can’t start to take a stand for integrity in sports, then who will?

  • Witt

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach?

    I believe Kelvin Sampson is the right coach for the right now. Unfortunately, IU isn’t a program that right now is all we want. He can recruit, he can win games, he can turn high school ballers into the NCAA elite. However, he can’t develop a program that garners nationwide respect. Much a Coach Knights praise was in his ability to create men from boys, as much as it was the win-loss over his storied career. Kelvin, on the other hand, is bringing in whatever it takes – including soon to be convicted drug dealers – to win games. I’m partially surprised he hasn’t investigated Pacman Jone’s NCAA Basketball eligibility. It is my belief that elite high school players will make a commitment based on the program, and not the immediate success and promises a coach can make – see Duke admissions requirements. In order to maintain a high level success over the long-term a coach must be able to turn boys into men, demand hard work on the court and in the classroom (A.J. Ratliff), and play their role as coach and their role in life by the rules.

    Who is responsible?

    I agree completely that this is a combined failure of the Athletic Administration and the coaching staff. I would like to take this space to commend the intern that had the nerve and maturity to actually report possible evidence to high authorities. In a program this large, it would be conceivable to sweep things under the rug and I’m impressed that the little man stood up to the boss man.

    What will the NCAA do?

    Hopefully they will take a stand. Personally, I am sick and tired of the unethical actions across the board in sports. Michael Vick, Tim Donaghy, USC Football, BALCO, Tour de France. It’s getting to the point where money via success in sports is overpowering the true spirit of the games. If league officials (for any and every league) can’t start to take a stand for integrity in sports, then who will?

  • Witt

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach?

    I believe Kelvin Sampson is the right coach for the right now. Unfortunately, IU isn’t a program that right now is all we want. He can recruit, he can win games, he can turn high school ballers into the NCAA elite. However, he can’t develop a program that garners nationwide respect. Much a Coach Knights praise was in his ability to create men from boys, as much as it was the win-loss over his storied career. Kelvin, on the other hand, is bringing in whatever it takes – including soon to be convicted drug dealers – to win games. I’m partially surprised he hasn’t investigated Pacman Jone’s NCAA Basketball eligibility. It is my belief that elite high school players will make a commitment based on the program, and not the immediate success and promises a coach can make – see Duke admissions requirements. In order to maintain a high level success over the long-term a coach must be able to turn boys into men, demand hard work on the court and in the classroom (A.J. Ratliff), and play their role as coach and their role in life by the rules.

    Who is responsible?

    I agree completely that this is a combined failure of the Athletic Administration and the coaching staff. I would like to take this space to commend the intern that had the nerve and maturity to actually report possible evidence to high authorities. In a program this large, it would be conceivable to sweep things under the rug and I’m impressed that the little man stood up to the boss man.

    What will the NCAA do?

    Hopefully they will take a stand. Personally, I am sick and tired of the unethical actions across the board in sports. Michael Vick, Tim Donaghy, USC Football, BALCO, Tour de France. It’s getting to the point where money via success in sports is overpowering the true spirit of the games. If league officials (for any and every league) can’t start to take a stand for integrity in sports, then who will?

  • Witt

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach?

    I believe Kelvin Sampson is the right coach for the right now. Unfortunately, IU isn’t a program that right now is all we want. He can recruit, he can win games, he can turn high school ballers into the NCAA elite. However, he can’t develop a program that garners nationwide respect. Much a Coach Knights praise was in his ability to create men from boys, as much as it was the win-loss over his storied career. Kelvin, on the other hand, is bringing in whatever it takes – including soon to be convicted drug dealers – to win games. I’m partially surprised he hasn’t investigated Pacman Jone’s NCAA Basketball eligibility. It is my belief that elite high school players will make a commitment based on the program, and not the immediate success and promises a coach can make – see Duke admissions requirements. In order to maintain a high level success over the long-term a coach must be able to turn boys into men, demand hard work on the court and in the classroom (A.J. Ratliff), and play their role as coach and their role in life by the rules.

    Who is responsible?

    I agree completely that this is a combined failure of the Athletic Administration and the coaching staff. I would like to take this space to commend the intern that had the nerve and maturity to actually report possible evidence to high authorities. In a program this large, it would be conceivable to sweep things under the rug and I’m impressed that the little man stood up to the boss man.

    What will the NCAA do?

    Hopefully they will take a stand. Personally, I am sick and tired of the unethical actions across the board in sports. Michael Vick, Tim Donaghy, USC Football, BALCO, Tour de France. It’s getting to the point where money via success in sports is overpowering the true spirit of the games. If league officials (for any and every league) can’t start to take a stand for integrity in sports, then who will?

  • Witt

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach?

    I believe Kelvin Sampson is the right coach for the right now. Unfortunately, IU isn’t a program that right now is all we want. He can recruit, he can win games, he can turn high school ballers into the NCAA elite. However, he can’t develop a program that garners nationwide respect. Much a Coach Knights praise was in his ability to create men from boys, as much as it was the win-loss over his storied career. Kelvin, on the other hand, is bringing in whatever it takes – including soon to be convicted drug dealers – to win games. I’m partially surprised he hasn’t investigated Pacman Jone’s NCAA Basketball eligibility. It is my belief that elite high school players will make a commitment based on the program, and not the immediate success and promises a coach can make – see Duke admissions requirements. In order to maintain a high level success over the long-term a coach must be able to turn boys into men, demand hard work on the court and in the classroom (A.J. Ratliff), and play their role as coach and their role in life by the rules.

    Who is responsible?

    I agree completely that this is a combined failure of the Athletic Administration and the coaching staff. I would like to take this space to commend the intern that had the nerve and maturity to actually report possible evidence to high authorities. In a program this large, it would be conceivable to sweep things under the rug and I’m impressed that the little man stood up to the boss man.

    What will the NCAA do?

    Hopefully they will take a stand. Personally, I am sick and tired of the unethical actions across the board in sports. Michael Vick, Tim Donaghy, USC Football, BALCO, Tour de France. It’s getting to the point where money via success in sports is overpowering the true spirit of the games. If league officials (for any and every league) can’t start to take a stand for integrity in sports, then who will?

  • bootsie white

    Here is another question: What effect will this have on recruiting, not only this season but next season, too?

  • bootsie white

    Here is another question: What effect will this have on recruiting, not only this season but next season, too?

  • bootsie white

    Here is another question: What effect will this have on recruiting, not only this season but next season, too?

  • bootsie white

    Here is another question: What effect will this have on recruiting, not only this season but next season, too?

  • Brian

    Comparing to Duke? Duke had paid players and didn’t even get hardly looked at by the NCAA. There was no denying it since it was admitted by the player in court. Duke admission requirements? The student athlete requirements for graduation are a tad dumbed down. Complaining about recruiting mackey. Everybody was, nobody knew that was going to happen, please. Witt, I loved Bob Knight to, but take a step back and realize he is gone. Quit trying to get rid of Sampson to get a “IU family” guy in there as coach. Alford hasn’t done anything to be a coach and either has hardly any of the others. In reality if that happened we would end up with a next to nobody coach and 5-10 yrs of mediocrity. yes rules were broken but how about we let the common sense punishment fit the crime. How would you feel if he spent the next 10 yrs with a championship or two and no more violations. He would go down as a great coach who had a rocky beginning.

  • Brian

    Comparing to Duke? Duke had paid players and didn’t even get hardly looked at by the NCAA. There was no denying it since it was admitted by the player in court. Duke admission requirements? The student athlete requirements for graduation are a tad dumbed down. Complaining about recruiting mackey. Everybody was, nobody knew that was going to happen, please. Witt, I loved Bob Knight to, but take a step back and realize he is gone. Quit trying to get rid of Sampson to get a “IU family” guy in there as coach. Alford hasn’t done anything to be a coach and either has hardly any of the others. In reality if that happened we would end up with a next to nobody coach and 5-10 yrs of mediocrity. yes rules were broken but how about we let the common sense punishment fit the crime. How would you feel if he spent the next 10 yrs with a championship or two and no more violations. He would go down as a great coach who had a rocky beginning.

  • Brian

    Comparing to Duke? Duke had paid players and didn’t even get hardly looked at by the NCAA. There was no denying it since it was admitted by the player in court. Duke admission requirements? The student athlete requirements for graduation are a tad dumbed down. Complaining about recruiting mackey. Everybody was, nobody knew that was going to happen, please. Witt, I loved Bob Knight to, but take a step back and realize he is gone. Quit trying to get rid of Sampson to get a “IU family” guy in there as coach. Alford hasn’t done anything to be a coach and either has hardly any of the others. In reality if that happened we would end up with a next to nobody coach and 5-10 yrs of mediocrity. yes rules were broken but how about we let the common sense punishment fit the crime. How would you feel if he spent the next 10 yrs with a championship or two and no more violations. He would go down as a great coach who had a rocky beginning.

  • kelin

    I knew it I knew it I knew it…..sooner or later Bud Mackey would be lumped with Kelvin Sampson. I agree he should be blamed for Bud dealing drugs, he should be responsible for not bringing our troops home, and KS is responsible for Brittany Spears losing her kids.

    Does anyone blame Bob for Isaih screwing up the Knicks and calling an employee the B-word? PALEASE….Bud Mackey….

    If Bob was still worth being here he would be here. I find it interesting no one is saying bring back Mike Davis…no violations, no choking, ……

  • kelin

    I knew it I knew it I knew it…..sooner or later Bud Mackey would be lumped with Kelvin Sampson. I agree he should be blamed for Bud dealing drugs, he should be responsible for not bringing our troops home, and KS is responsible for Brittany Spears losing her kids.

    Does anyone blame Bob for Isaih screwing up the Knicks and calling an employee the B-word? PALEASE….Bud Mackey….

    If Bob was still worth being here he would be here. I find it interesting no one is saying bring back Mike Davis…no violations, no choking, ……

  • Witt

    I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about my stance. I agree that student athlete graduation requirements are often dumbed down, however, at Duke, their student athlete’s are graduating. I don’t expect Gordon to finish his degree here and wait around to get injured.

    Also, in reference to Bud Mackey, he isn’t the only questionable recruit Kelvin has brought to IU. I’m pretty sure Eli Holman missed some playing time because he pushed a ref. How many more before it’s just a random isolated incident? I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.

    I’m not suggesting that there is a better replacement for Coach Sampson, but more asking that his services be carefully evaluated before giving him free will to ruin or flourish one of the best basketball PROGRAMS in the country.

  • Witt

    I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about my stance. I agree that student athlete graduation requirements are often dumbed down, however, at Duke, their student athlete’s are graduating. I don’t expect Gordon to finish his degree here and wait around to get injured.

    Also, in reference to Bud Mackey, he isn’t the only questionable recruit Kelvin has brought to IU. I’m pretty sure Eli Holman missed some playing time because he pushed a ref. How many more before it’s just a random isolated incident? I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.

    I’m not suggesting that there is a better replacement for Coach Sampson, but more asking that his services be carefully evaluated before giving him free will to ruin or flourish one of the best basketball PROGRAMS in the country.

  • Witt

    I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about my stance. I agree that student athlete graduation requirements are often dumbed down, however, at Duke, their student athlete’s are graduating. I don’t expect Gordon to finish his degree here and wait around to get injured.

    Also, in reference to Bud Mackey, he isn’t the only questionable recruit Kelvin has brought to IU. I’m pretty sure Eli Holman missed some playing time because he pushed a ref. How many more before it’s just a random isolated incident? I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.

    I’m not suggesting that there is a better replacement for Coach Sampson, but more asking that his services be carefully evaluated before giving him free will to ruin or flourish one of the best basketball PROGRAMS in the country.

  • Witt

    I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about my stance. I agree that student athlete graduation requirements are often dumbed down, however, at Duke, their student athlete’s are graduating. I don’t expect Gordon to finish his degree here and wait around to get injured.

    Also, in reference to Bud Mackey, he isn’t the only questionable recruit Kelvin has brought to IU. I’m pretty sure Eli Holman missed some playing time because he pushed a ref. How many more before it’s just a random isolated incident? I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.

    I’m not suggesting that there is a better replacement for Coach Sampson, but more asking that his services be carefully evaluated before giving him free will to ruin or flourish one of the best basketball PROGRAMS in the country.

  • Witt

    I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about my stance. I agree that student athlete graduation requirements are often dumbed down, however, at Duke, their student athlete’s are graduating. I don’t expect Gordon to finish his degree here and wait around to get injured.

    Also, in reference to Bud Mackey, he isn’t the only questionable recruit Kelvin has brought to IU. I’m pretty sure Eli Holman missed some playing time because he pushed a ref. How many more before it’s just a random isolated incident? I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.

    I’m not suggesting that there is a better replacement for Coach Sampson, but more asking that his services be carefully evaluated before giving him free will to ruin or flourish one of the best basketball PROGRAMS in the country.

  • Witt

    I would also like to add that the question is:

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach for Indiana?

    Not:

    Should Kelvin Sampson be fired?

  • Witt

    I would also like to add that the question is:

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach for Indiana?

    Not:

    Should Kelvin Sampson be fired?

  • Witt

    I would also like to add that the question is:

    Is Kelvin Sampson the right coach for Indiana?

    Not:

    Should Kelvin Sampson be fired?

  • kelin

    Witt….there are no perfect players or kids. Eli made a mistake. If you dig deep enough EVERY SINGLE player has done something wrong in College basketball. Should we put Eli in jail and throw away the key for making a dumb mistake that he obviously has matured from. While you mention Bud and Eli….which should not be in the same sentence…I find it interesting you don’t metion Matt Roth, Derek Elston, Devin Ebanks, Jordan Crawford…or even Eric Gordon….here are some kids that haven’t sold drugs or pushed a ref..and they all were recruited by KS…yet we selectively mention Bud who is not a hoosier and Eli who made a MISTAKE. The easy thing to do in our society today is judge and discard..unfortunately we do that with kids to often. If you were at Hoosier Hysteria..the kid with the BIGGEST smile and most enthusiasm was Eli Holman…

    and witt I won’t even give you a full list of players based on this comment you said…c’mon…
    “I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.”………are you kidding me….Leon Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, T.O….Artest….How about who Bob signed one year…Jay Edwards….didn’t mention him!

  • kelin

    Witt….there are no perfect players or kids. Eli made a mistake. If you dig deep enough EVERY SINGLE player has done something wrong in College basketball. Should we put Eli in jail and throw away the key for making a dumb mistake that he obviously has matured from. While you mention Bud and Eli….which should not be in the same sentence…I find it interesting you don’t metion Matt Roth, Derek Elston, Devin Ebanks, Jordan Crawford…or even Eric Gordon….here are some kids that haven’t sold drugs or pushed a ref..and they all were recruited by KS…yet we selectively mention Bud who is not a hoosier and Eli who made a MISTAKE. The easy thing to do in our society today is judge and discard..unfortunately we do that with kids to often. If you were at Hoosier Hysteria..the kid with the BIGGEST smile and most enthusiasm was Eli Holman…

    and witt I won’t even give you a full list of players based on this comment you said…c’mon…
    “I’m pretty sure professional sports teams often evaluate a player’s character before signing them to a contract.”………are you kidding me….Leon Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Vick, T.O….Artest….How about who Bob signed one year…Jay Edwards….didn’t mention him!

  • rayman

    witt, come on now…do you really think college coaches have enough time to walk out-of-state high school kids home from school and tuck them into bed? some kids are up to no good, but an outsider wouldn’t know the difference. sure, i agree it’s disheartening to hear that one of the recruits was pushing drugs and another pushing refs, but that has little to do with sampson. as for pushing the ref, eli holman has already paid his punishment for that. it could also be said that eli holman is doing quite well for a kid coming out of richmond high school…it’s not exactly the suburban high school that graduates honor students with squeaky clean criminal records. as for a graduation rate, the last early departure for a hoosier team wasn’t on a kelvin sampson team…and no one said that eric gordon has made any decision yet. as for the whole ks business, i do think he makes a great coach. what he is under scrutiny over right now is so minor that it makes me sick that he was foolish enough to do it. it was minor…and very little was gained in comparison to what could potentially be lost. i hope he and the admin get their shit straight. there is no reason to have something so foolish tarnish what has been, and still is, a prominent program with a class act.

  • rayman

    witt, come on now…do you really think college coaches have enough time to walk out-of-state high school kids home from school and tuck them into bed? some kids are up to no good, but an outsider wouldn’t know the difference. sure, i agree it’s disheartening to hear that one of the recruits was pushing drugs and another pushing refs, but that has little to do with sampson. as for pushing the ref, eli holman has already paid his punishment for that. it could also be said that eli holman is doing quite well for a kid coming out of richmond high school…it’s not exactly the suburban high school that graduates honor students with squeaky clean criminal records. as for a graduation rate, the last early departure for a hoosier team wasn’t on a kelvin sampson team…and no one said that eric gordon has made any decision yet. as for the whole ks business, i do think he makes a great coach. what he is under scrutiny over right now is so minor that it makes me sick that he was foolish enough to do it. it was minor…and very little was gained in comparison to what could potentially be lost. i hope he and the admin get their shit straight. there is no reason to have something so foolish tarnish what has been, and still is, a prominent program with a class act.

  • rayman

    witt, come on now…do you really think college coaches have enough time to walk out-of-state high school kids home from school and tuck them into bed? some kids are up to no good, but an outsider wouldn’t know the difference. sure, i agree it’s disheartening to hear that one of the recruits was pushing drugs and another pushing refs, but that has little to do with sampson. as for pushing the ref, eli holman has already paid his punishment for that. it could also be said that eli holman is doing quite well for a kid coming out of richmond high school…it’s not exactly the suburban high school that graduates honor students with squeaky clean criminal records. as for a graduation rate, the last early departure for a hoosier team wasn’t on a kelvin sampson team…and no one said that eric gordon has made any decision yet. as for the whole ks business, i do think he makes a great coach. what he is under scrutiny over right now is so minor that it makes me sick that he was foolish enough to do it. it was minor…and very little was gained in comparison to what could potentially be lost. i hope he and the admin get their shit straight. there is no reason to have something so foolish tarnish what has been, and still is, a prominent program with a class act.